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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 10:29 AM
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Poll says voters want immigration reform
Most voters, Democrats, Republicans and independents, want Congress to act on immigration reform this year, a national poll released Tuesday found.

More than 70 percent also favor a bill the Senate passed in May that would beef up immigration enforcement but also would grant legal status to most of the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants and would admit temporary guest workers, according to the July 9-13 survey conducted jointly by the Tarrance Group, a Republican polling firm, and Democratic pollster Lake Research Partners.

With midterm elections approaching Nov. 7, the poll found that likely voters rank immigration among their top three concerns, along with the economy and Iraq.

Two-thirds of the 1,100 people interviewed said they would support a candidate who endorsed immigration reform.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/07/26/MNG4UK5L621.DTL&type=politics
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BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 10:42 AM
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1. Most of that 70% don't have a clue about what "reform" really means

Rich people and businesses want expanding numbers of new customers and cheap labor. The rest of us should really think about whether we want to bear the costs of higher prices for everything, more urban/suburban sprall, and on and on and on. Besides, the rich are NOT going to pay their fair share of the added costs of more fire and police protection, emergency room care, and all the rest.

What will happen, among many other arguably unpleasantries is more laws designed to get more people into the criminal "justice" system while simultaneously forcing them to pay ever-higher fines and fees for their alleged transgressions, and a thousand other new REGRESSIVE (meaning UNfair) taxes that they will argue are "fair" --- in keeping with their philosphy of "socializing societal costs and privatizing profits" while working towards the day when ONLY the little people will be bearing the burden of paying taxes to support an ever larger population.

Change the issue from immigration "reform" to the problems caused by OVERpopulation, and THEN take a poll of Americans. The numbers in the poll you cited will be exactly reversed, and then some.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 11:26 AM
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2. yep, we can twist this poll to get different results
changing the issue to middle class benefits from illegal immigration that would change the perspective of this poll
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 05:06 PM
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3. Deliberate Distortion about the Will of the People
They lumped everything together without giving those in the poll to vote on immigration reform without granting amnesty and without allowing for guest workers.

Earlier polls have already shown that Americans greatly favor the House's plan over the Senate's "amnesty first" plan.

The pollsters are afraid to do a poll that shows that most Americans want illegal immigration reduced, they want employer prosecution, but they do not want amnesty for illegal immigrants or guest workers. How convenient. It's a typical poll that gives only specified options, and completely false choices.

This is not a matter of Americans who "can't handle the truth." This is a matter of the pollsters, Congress, the Senate, and Corporate America
who "can't handle the truth."

These alleged "pollsters" are nothing but dishonest, Corporate controlled slime-balls. They're simply trying to (falsely) demonstrate that Americans want amnesty and guest workers. They do NOT. They want illegal immigration reduced and they want employers prosecuted for illegal hiring. That's the real "will of the people."

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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 06:19 PM
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4. my guess is that employers are part of the people
the middle class depends on cheap labor services provided by immigrants
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 08:10 PM
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5. No
The middle class "depends" on illegal immigrants and H1B visa holders to suppress their wages.

It is Corporations and the wealthy who depend on below-market-priced labor and services provided by illegal immigrants. The middle class is experiencing wage suppression, in part due to the increase in the labor supply caused by illegal hiring by the Wealthy and Corporate America.

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