Polygamists should file suit in WA and NY - most recent rulings

[BR_Parkway]

upholding DOMA's cite that the State interest is in procreation. One man and 10 women could procreate much more efficiently than one man & one woman every 9 months. I'd love to see them file this just to watch the fundie heads explode at having their own bigotry be the cause of the change.

And the single childless people of those states should be filing suits against the married but childless couples who are getting additional benefits based on their marital status. If they don't have kids, and procreation is the Court's hingepin for the decision - then dissolve those barren marriages, make them pay back any tax and other benefits supplied to them since their wedding date (with interest) and pay off all the child bearing aged, but childless single people to compensate them for being discriminated against.

It's time we changed some strategies.

[sui generis]

1. actually we should all have zero-prenups and marry lesbians

and FLAUNT our gay childless estranged marriages. We don't even have to live in the same house or city.

Procreation. This is so lame - I mean, our lawyers are lame. If the state has an interest in procreation then protection of mutual property has nothing to do with that goal.

Civil marriage is a legally recognized union. There is nowhere on the marriage license that forces one to pledge to have children or risk losing the license.

It's way past time we changed strategies.

[sgxnk]

2. despite

the rhetoric, fundies are not the primary opposition to same sex marriage

[BR_Parkway]

3. Really? Very curious to hear more about that and your sources

[sgxnk]

4. fundies

fundies make up a relatively small %age of population

opposition to same sex marriage is well over 50% of population

for pete's sake, even howard dean was for CIVIL UNIONs not same sex marriages

[uppityperson]

6. but they are a very vocal minority, well organized too

[sgxnk]

8. groovy

but the point stands

they are a minority, there are a LOT more people against gay marriage than just fundies

[uppityperson]

9. fundies voted in/installed Mr.bush, control congress, judicial branches

remember those pesky 3 branches of government, supposed to be checks and balances? Fundies are the main opposition due to their voting block ability to get more fundies in power. Don't need to be a majority of the population to do things. If what happened were truly representational of % population holding a viewpoint, would the USA have done much of what it has done? No. You are confusing the issues.

[sgxnk]

10. fundies

fundies were a relatively small %age og voters

i am not confusing any issue

you are blaming fundies. i am saying that fundies are a relatively small %age of the population.

furthermore, fundies are an ExTREMELY small %age of WA state.

WA state is one of the most liberal states in the country, and we have a democratic governor, a democratic house, etc. and two democratic senators

OUR supreme court just voted 5-4 in this decision btw

i realize that fundies are responsible for every ill in this world (sarcasm), but they do not have the power to make it a fact that 58% of people polled oppose gay marriage

and i repeat. even howard dean said he supported civil unions, NOT gay marriage, when he was running for prez and when he was governor

[uppityperson]

11. you are comparing apples and dogs, I like both

fundies are a minority. Fundies also know how to organize and hence get who they want in power in power, and also like to run things. Fundamentalists believe that everyone should believe as they do, which is right of course, and want to run roughshod over those who don't. Open minded people believe that others have a right to believe differently and respect that. Hence fundies pull together, act as an organized block and are able to get laws passed, judges elected, congress elected, presidents installed, etc.

So yes, I agree that fundies are a minority. I also see that they are a very powerful minority.

I like apples and I like dogs. And cats too. And peaches.

[sgxnk]

13. i think you are wrong

i have many family members who could arguably be characterized as "fundies". i have others who are so far left they think the nation magazine is right of center

and im not exaggerating

your demonization (no pun intended) of fundies aside, fundies (even though i disagree with them on many issues) have the same rights to lobby, to promote their POV, etc. as anybody else

i have seen just as much civil rights encroachment from lefties as from righties, and from atheists, as from theist. but i am broad minded enough to recognize statism when i see it. no matter WHO promotes it

i am comparing oranges to oranges

1) even frigging howard dean did not support gay marriage
2) 58% of people oppose it. and that is a heck of a lot more than just fundies

[uppityperson]

14. of course fundies have the same rights we do.

and they are better organized as a block.

[uppityperson]

5. delete, answered above

[sgxnk]

7. over

over 50% of the population, as polling data shows

howard dean even limited his support to civil unions

fundies make up nowhere near the %age of the population that is against gay marriage

[TechBear_Seattle]

12. Regarding the childless couple issue...

A group of people in Seattle are working on that. I can't discuss the matter further until we get things squared away with the state's Public Disclosure Commission. We hope to make an announcement in a few weeks. :hi:

[uppityperson]

15. cool. I am in a childless marriage, oh the shame, the absolute shame

I am looking forward to what comes of this. If you need another childless couple, pm me.