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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:07 AM
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Hey, PNAC Boys! How's It Hangin'?
Hey, PNAC Boys! How’s it Hangin’?
By Nancy Greggs

I’ve just been going over some of your statements from the past, and Goddamn if you guys weren’t downright prescient!

Richard Perle, you are a sly one. Remember when you said: “And a year from now, I'll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush.”

That pretty well explains why there is so much frustration in Baghdad these days. It’s not the murder and mayhem, it’s not the lack of food or drinking water; it’s the fact that the Iraqi people can’t get enough peace and quiet to erect that statue in the grand square!

And as you said back in 2003, “There is no doubt that, with the exception of a very small number of people close to a vicious regime, the people of Iraq have been liberated and they understand that they've been liberated. And it is getting easier every day for Iraqis to express that sense of liberation.”

Well, I guess that’s what all the current fuss is about. People are just wantonly killing each other out of sense of ‘liberation’ – and you’re right – it is getting easier to express that sense of liberation every day. Too bad so many people are dying as a result of that liberation exultation.

And then there was this insightful gem: "Almost everything you've heard about (Chalabi) is false. We should have handed him the keys the day Baghdad fell." Well, you said a mouthful there. Too bad it didn’t work out that way. Chalabi was such a great guy (despite that arrest warrant issued by Jordan about that $300 million dollar fraud thing). If we’d put him in charge of Baghdad back then, we’d have somebody to BLAME for the mess in Iraq now, other than one G.W. Bush and his cronies. Some people can be so shortsighted.

“I think we may well have some kind of presence there over a period of time." When Dick Cheney said that, it was like he had a crystal ball – or a big financial investment in Halliburton. "The level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline. I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." But it’s a good-news/bad-news scenario. The insurgency is clearly not in its last throes, and that means more people will die, more instability in the region, et cetera. But the GOOD NEWS is that the longer this conflict lasts, the more money Dickie makes. Like they say, it’s an ill wind that doesn’t blow somebody some good.

Let's not forget that Cheney, along with other top officials, said war was necessary because Iraq was maintaining illicit stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and concealing a nuclear weapons program from the U.N. And didn’t that come to pass, just as predicted? I don’t know about the rest of you, but I thank God every night that those weapons were found and destroyed.

To his credit, Dickie was completely right on one point, when he said, amazingly as far back as June 2005: "We will succeed in Iraq, just like we did in Afghanistan. We will defeat that insurgency, and, in fact, it will be an enormous success story." The fact that we are as successful in Iraq as we are in Afghanistan is no longer just news; it has passed into the realm of historic legend.

But Cheney has always been on-the-ball when it comes to insightful observations. Back in August 2002, he reminded all Americans: “It is now clear from the data that when President Bush and I took office, the nation had slid into a full-blown economic recession. The first sign of a slowdown had appeared around the summer of 2000. Among the contributing factors were high and unpredictable energy prices.” Well, thanks to Dickie and this administration, we are no longer faced with the danger of ‘unpredictable energy prices’. We all KNOW they are going to keep going up, and isn’t that a comfort to every American?

And didn’t Cheney just have his hand on the pulse of the nation when he said, “Acts of fraud and theft are outside the norm in corporate America. But when those acts do occur - where corporate greed and malfeasance causes honest people to lose their jobs, life savings, and pensions, the people's confidence in the system is undermined - and the wrongdoers must be held to account.” That being said, you just know he gave Ken Lay a good shellackin’ when they got together for those ‘secret’ meetings, don’t you?

But let’s not forget you other PNACers who deserve credit for your ability to see things so clearly, like William Kristol saying back in February 2003: “For if ever there was a humanitarian undertaking, it is the liberation of Iraq from a tyrant who has jailed, tortured, gassed, shot, and otherwise murdered tens of thousands of his own citizens.” Let it never be forgotten that thanks to the brave few in our administration, the people of Iraq would never have had the opportunity to be jailed, tortured, shot and otherwise murdered by a good, God-fearing, Christian nation instead of a heathen like Saddam Hussein.

In February 2002, Bill Kristol made a statement that rivals the predictions of Nostradamus: “Having defeated and then occupied Iraq, democratizing the country should not be too tall an order for the world's sole superpower.” If by ‘not too tall an order’ he meant an endless expenditure of blood and money, he was dead-on in his assessment.

If I had to pick a favourite among you strong, virile, never-actually-served-in-the military-myself boys, it would have to be Paul Wolfowitz, who plainly stated that thanks to the oil revenues in Iraq, this war would pay for itself. Well, give or take billions upon billions of dollars, plus-or-minus a few bucks here and there, he was pretty much right on the mark. And when he said, back in February 2004, that the attacks against US forces in Iraq were a sign that we were succeeding, little did we realize that someday we would see the ‘success’ of this many attacks on a daily basis! It’s enough to make you want to suck a comb and shout “Hallelujah!”

But Wolfowitz knew his history as well as his numbers, when he opined that a post-liberated Iraq would be a peaceful place, thanks to the fact that there was no “history of ethnic strife in Iraq” that might lead to any problems. Thank the powers that be that this kind of knowledge was at the disposal of the president when he made his all-important decision to gamble the lives of our troops and the taxpayers’ money on such a sure thing.

Now, if you are going to give props to people who have a keen ability to know the unknowable, they have to go, without question, to Donald Rumsfeld. I’ll never forget when, back in June 2002, he summarily dismissed Iraq's statement that it didn't have weapons of mass destruction and wasn't developing them by stating: "They're lying. It's just false, not true, inaccurate and typical.”

Of course, two years later when no such weapons had been found, Rumsfeld never wavered in his conviction, and offered his now–famous 'alternative views' as why no weapons have been discovered, including the ridiculous possibility that they had never existed. "I suppose that's possible, but not likely," he said. I guess the fact that we have now found those infamous WMDs gives you PNAC boys a sense of vindication that is even more delicious than the sweets and flowers we were greeted with when we arrived in Iraq!

As for the ongoing violence being meted out by the ‘insurgency’, let’s remember Rummy’s fateful words in September 2003: "A platoon out of any one of my battalions could defeat the threat, readily.” Man, as soon as he decides exactly which battalion is going to defeat this thing, we’re on our way to final victory for sure.

In closing, I am reminded once again of the words of Donald Rumsfeld, which I believe will be remembered and repeated by generations to come:
"So I think there’s kind of a myth — the facts — certain things, myths arise and people then repeat them over and over and over again, even though they’re inaccurate.”

Words that truly summarize the entire PNAC enterprise and its adherents. So keep repeating those words over and over and over again, even though they’re inaccurate, because thanks to the state of the world, we can all use a really good laugh.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:30 AM
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1. Well. N G, you have knocked it out of the park, once again..
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 03:37 AM by TomInTib
"So I think there’s kind of a myth — the facts — certain things, myths arise and people then repeat them over and over and over again, even though they’re inaccurate.”

k&r
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:09 AM
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13. national treasure
Would that it were possible to proclaim Ms. Gregg a national treasure. The importance and clarity of her writing ought to be a feature of the national debate on this issue and many others But, I fear that as is the case with so many other of our national treasures their real value is not discovered until much later.Certainly we here will be able to look back and cite her work as a voice of reason that should have been heard much more widely.
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burf Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 07:48 AM
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2. When looking at all the screw ups by this bunch of
bozos (no offense to clowns), it's gonna take years to repair the damage done. And to think, there is still 30 some percent of Americans who still support Bush. Amazing.
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:16 PM
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29. Isn't that why that PNAC is now defunct???
no news on that website for a year!!!


HA HA
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:25 AM
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3. I like that square named after Bush but Wolfowitz's Iraqi oil money paying
for reconstruction...


wow...hit the nail on the head there!


Although, turns out that reconstruction was for rebuilding Saddam's loyalists and some brand new construction helping out those ol' foreign fighters.

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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:38 AM
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4. This is definitely worth a kick and an R....
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 08:39 AM by DemExpat
:kick:

DemEx
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:40 AM
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5. every single quote, should be in a Gawd damn DEM ad
enough said
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:42 AM
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6. Nancy, I guess you didn't need to quote Bush since we already
have his famous words eternalized and enshrined for us in the many volumes of "They Misunderestimated Me!"
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:26 AM
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7. You are always so spot on with your commentary.
You need your own column. :-)

K&R!
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:28 AM
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8. What more needs be said?
How about, Mission Accomplished? That's the ticket, mission accomplished.
Insanity is making the same mistake and expecting different results. We are in the grip of fools and maniacs. Since the corporate media refuses to cover what's gone wrong, the news must be sought through alternative means. Therefore, you, Nancy Greggs, are tasked with the mission of dispensing information as your language skills and ability to reason are superior to what is offered in the printed and broadcast media.
Your rants help maintain sanity in the reality based community.
Our pResident is a nut.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:53 AM
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9. Lies, Lies and more Lies from Liars
We are a nation and government of deceit. Can't we give them all lie detector tests before we vote for them or before they are selected or before they speak to us? "This political speech was tested by Acme Lie Detection Corp for truth and accuracy and has failed"

:spank:
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:54 AM
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10. The Chimp's hand is resolutely and firmly on the Toilet Handle
of Power, flushing the entire Middle East region down the sewer. Too bad there's a high likely hood of the pipes backing up into our house.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:00 AM
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11. Great analogy, Feles! You should use that
in your sig line.

"Toilet handle of power" :rofl: :rofl:
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BrewAz Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:06 AM
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12. Exceptional post....
Thanks for keeping the light on the PNAC.

What will it take to start getting this kind of analysis in the MSM? Do I ask for too much?

BrewAz
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:22 AM
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14. You're on a roll, NanceGreggs, we all need a really good (sour) laugh.
And hey, wouldn't it be even more wonderful if Big Dong Cheney and his Halliburton and Carlyle associates could find a way to squeeze even more flowers-from-heaven NK-style benefit from, for example, all those foreign corpses!

I mean, at least check them for jewellry, y'know, and, like, gold teeth (note to self: special military police & another offshore a/c). Leather can be useful. Maybe they had bank accounts. And maybe, not that we'd give the slightest credence to rumblings about "Global Warming" and such environmentally catastrophic bullsh*t, but hey, why not turn a buck, y'know, turning such muck into, like, ethanol (although the oil flow/price is so wonderful it seems to be trendy right now) or at least useful feed or fertilizer for the ranch, er, estate, er, Chasapeake Bay Fortified Mansion (with high-powered yacht ready for the unlikely eventuality of a need, Hemmingway-style, to escape), er, feedlot!

It's all good from here on in!
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 04:44 PM
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20. I wanted to add (para 2)
Hey! all we pole-dancing stripper minimum-wage waitresses just know it's gonna trickle down!

Uggh. Fantastic, Hugh!!!
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:53 AM
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15. PNACular!
Howza bout a round of Medals of Freedom for these good ol' boys?
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:04 PM
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16. I would love to see a statue of Bush erected in Baghdad!!!
It would be blown up by nightfall!!! I bet some of our troops would even love to lob a grenade at it.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:15 PM
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17. terrific!
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 01:47 PM
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18. Although a Newbie in these parts....
I quickly honed in on the biting wit of Nance Gregg. She is now my hero, heroine... you know what I mean. But I have a question. Do you send your posts to the DNC? Its apparent they don't have anyone of your caliber working for them and could use the help. I'd like to see them cobble together all of the above statements and interviews and start airing them nationwide. People have short attention spans....

And another thing: I see this article of the CBS/NYT poll saying that 60% of the world doesn't respect Bush. Only 60%?? That can't be right. Surely that's in error. Its got to be closer to 90% to 99% by now doesn't it? That 60% disapproval sounds more like a poll of the Republican party to me. And the poll further reported, erroneously I assume as well, that 47% of Americans approve of the way Bush is handling the Middle East crisis....... WHO THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE????

Now look, I'm an old guy compared to most of you young whipper-snappers. Let me put it this way, Truman was still president when I was born, okay? And so I thought the jig was up with Nixon and the Saturday Night Massacre. But we got through that one, although one insane-criminal is still on the loose from that debacle. You know the one who has a pencant for holding his hand over candles to show how serious he is.

So you can imagine my surprise when America allowed Bush to take the Oval Office without a fight. Twice. Nary of bottle or brick was thrown. And now would be the perfect time to run his ass out of Washington because damn near the entire US Army is overseas right now. I dunno. Maybe I'm just getting too old for this shit.....

I'm banging my head until he's GONE!!!
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 04:52 PM
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21. Let's see if you get a serious answer out of the natives, DeSwiss.
It's maybe not easy: I recommend that you should take (with dignity) your time. Much time. Observe the terrible feast meanwhile. And speak truth.

Please allow me to welcome you to (few holds barred) DU.

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theanarch Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:30 PM
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19. the monument to Junior is being built...
...even as we speak...it's called the new US embassy inside the Green Zone...the Ben Bien Phu (sp?) of the ME...perhaps someone should start a thread, asking for appropriate names for this billion dollar mausoleum of PNAC hubris...
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:42 AM
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34. Well, certainly not Green, in the ecological, equilibriated, sense,
but "The Zone" (The Dead Zone?) begins to strike the right note for me.

Yeah, maybe a specifc thread on this is a good idea. If you start it, please PM me.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 05:35 PM
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22. ...
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:35 PM
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23. just when i think my little sister has written her best work, she
comes up with another one.:hi:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:43 PM
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24. You should see how hard it is to keep her website up to date!
:hi:
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:55 PM
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25. hey jeff -- how's it going?
:hi:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:14 PM
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26. Not dead yet
Beyond that, I can never tell.

How y'all doin' way out west?
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:33 PM
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28. hot hot hot. we were below 100 today which is amazing.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:52 PM
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30. ow
Hovering between 85 and 90 here during the daylight hours, with humidity off the scale. Thunderstorms every now & then but they don't provide any relief. Reminds me of Savannah, though with less bugs.

(Nance loves it when her threads get hijacked!)
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 11:19 PM
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31. we're in our monsoon season. had quite a lightening show the
other night. i love watching it. just don't like it if the power or satellite tv go out.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:56 AM
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35. Weather Report: Electric storms beginning to develop across Northern Spain
south of the Pyrenees down to the Catalan Mediterranean coast right now. But I expect little rain: serious continuing drought.

I see that the 38º+ Celsius we've been suffering translates to your 100º+ Fahrenheit. But humidity this year so far only up to 40% (less than usual).

Further south, Spain, they say, is rapidly becoming just another extension of the Sahara Desert. And all the concrete they're pouring (providing huge profits for the few, huge debts for the many) assists climate-change enormously.
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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 09:24 PM
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27. Oops...the repubs have already successfully countered your "out of
contex" quotes and arguments:

Coulter: "Clinton's a homo!"
Cheney: "Stay the course...stay the course...milk it for all its worth, er, I mean...Stay the course"
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HongKonger Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:35 AM
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32. brilliant
Brilliant post.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:57 AM
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33. I suspect that PNAC is a merely a smokescreen.
Everything always comes down to the bottom line with these people. Their true goal was to get control of the oil, and stir up war and strife in the Middle East so that the military-industrial complex gets a piece of the action, as well.
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RonHack Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 01:26 PM
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36. Must read for voters
Give them a GOOD reminder of what six years of paying taxes had bought them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Duh-Sider's head is served to We The People on a platter!
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