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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 02:04 PM
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To the Seven Democrats who said "Nay"

Neil Abercrombie


John Conyers, Jr.


John Dingell


Carolyn Kilpatrick


Nick Rahall, II


Fortney (Pete) Stark

and the ONE Repulican...


Ronald (Ron) Paul

You all said "Nay" to:

H. Res. 921: Condemning the recent attacks against the State of Israel, holding terrorists and their state-sponsors accountable for such attacks, supporting Israel's right to defend itself, and for other purposes.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hr109-921

You were right to do this. Here, Steven Zunes deconstructs this Resolution and the accompanying vote.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0725-21.htm

On July 20, the U.S. House of Representatives, by an overwhelming 410-8 margin, voted to unconditionally endorse Israel’s ongoing attacks on Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. The Senate passed a similar resolution defending the Israeli attack earlier in the week by a voice vote, but included a clause that “urges all sides to protect innocent civilian life and infrastructure.” By contrast, the House version omits this section and even praises Israel for “minimizing civilian loss,” despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The resolution also praises President George W. Bush for “fully supporting Israel,” even though Bush has blocked diplomatic efforts for a cease-fire and has isolated the United States in the international community by supporting the Israeli attacks.

The resolution indicates a bipartisan consensus that it is legitimate for U.S. allies to run roughshod over international legal norms. The resolution even goes so far as to radically reinterpret the United Nations Charter by claiming that Israel’s attacks on Lebanon’s civilian infrastructure is an act of legitimate self-defense under Article 51 despite a broad consensus of international legal scholars to the contrary.

In short, both Democrats and Republicans are now on record that, in the name of “fighting terrorism,” U.S. allies – and, by extension, the United States as well – can essentially ignore international law and inflict unlimited damage on the civilian infrastructure of a small and largely defenseless country, even a pro-Western democracy like Lebanon...
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:07 PM
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1. Ron Paul is a Republican. He is really good on international and
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 03:08 PM by IndyOp
privacy issues - he is nuts about some other issues. He's got guts.

:patriot:

On Edit: I see that you mentioned Paul is a Republican in your post - I missed it the first time through. :hi:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:28 PM
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2. Rahall is Lebanese American,
Ron Paul is libertarian and often speaks out against the Iraq war. Anyone with a large Arab constituency like they do in Dearborn, Michigan would also vote Nay.

I believe every Senator voted Yea.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:36 PM
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3. We have a major job of educating the Congress to do!
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:42 PM
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4. I don't think education is the problem,
when AIPAC is the most powerful political force in the United States. I thought it was tragic when I learned how much America is influenced by the Saudis, until I remembered how much we are dominated by supporters of Israel.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 05:37 PM
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9. Wasn't it a "voice vote" in The Senate? IMO they sort of hedged on that
albeit - if they kept the paperwork, it probably would have fallen out the same. But we will not ever know with 100% certainty.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 09:21 AM
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10. If even one person votes Nay on a voice vote
it would stick out. They went for the consensus and got it. Not one Senator came out and said anything afterwards against it, and that disappoints me.

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 12:22 PM
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14. Ray Lahood of Illinois is Lebanese-American, too
He didn't vote against? Odd.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:45 PM
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5. It gets more insane all the time doesn't it?
”even though Bush has blocked diplomatic efforts for a cease-fire and has isolated the United States in the international community by supporting the Israeli attacks"

Excellent analysis.


Sell weapons to Israel and give emergency aid to Lebanon? :shrug::evilfrown:


It sure has united the Dems and Pukes.
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"In short, both Democrats and Republicans are now on record that, in the name of “fighting terrorism,” U.S. allies – and, by extension, the United States as well – can essentially ignore international law and inflict unlimited damage on the civilian infrastructure of a small and largely defenseless country, even a pro-Western democracy like Lebanon."

snip>

Nasty little bastard * was telling the truth. He is a "uniter".

This is so bad.

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"…urges the President of the United States to bring the full force of political, diplomatic, and economic sanctions available to the Government of the United States against the Governments of Syria and Iran;"

Given that the Bush administration and Congress already have implemented strict political, diplomatic, and economic sanctions against Syria and Iran, it is unclear what more could be done. Indeed, with such strict sanctions already in place, it is difficult for President Bush to exercise any additional leverage short of military action.

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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 04:07 PM
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6. Hey congress! How's that debt thingie going? $8 Trillion? $9 Trillion?
How many solders dead? What's the exit strategy? Where's your Road Map? Go ahead and blindly support a foreign nation - we're good for it. We don't need social security, pensions, health care, schools, libraries - nope, endless war is good for us, too. But we could abolish congress and save a few bucks there. It's not like they're doing anything the Chimperor can't do for himself.

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 04:10 PM
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7. I take it none of these people ever expect to run for re-election again...
:sarcasm:

Bravo to all, and may I just say, one more time -- I love John Conyers!

TC
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 05:33 PM
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8. ...
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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 10:02 AM
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11. Stand up for truth
Do not just follow because the majority of the people support an unjust war. It makes me sick to see so many democrats vote for something they know is not right. This is the trouble they got into with the Iraq war. Kerry flip-flopping on the issue lost the WH because of the circus he created.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 11:55 AM
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12. Where's Jim McDermott (D-WA)? N/T
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 12:14 PM
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13. Conyers and Dingell have big Arab populations here in MI
so they were in effect voting for their constiutents, a tough call I bet
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