SERIOUS WTF? "Miracle of God." Israel doing God's work in a

[Nimrod2005]

"War of good versus evil..."



John Hagee (center) at Christians United for Israel banquet in Washington last week.

Last week, as Israel's armed forces pounded Lebanon and worries of a wider conflagration mounted, Mr. Hagee presided over what he called a "miracle of God": a gathering of 3,500 evangelical Christians packed into a Washington hotel to cheer Israel and its current military campaign.


Standing on a stage bedecked with a huge Israeli flag, Mr. Hagee drew rapturous applause and shouts of "amen" as he hailed Israel for doing God's work in a "war of good versus evil." Calls for Israel to show restraint violate "God's foreign-policy statement" toward Jews, he said, citing a verse from the Old Testament that promises to "bless those who bless you" and curse "the one who curses you."



Mr. Hagee is a leading figure in the so-called Christian-Zionist movement. This evangelical political philosophy is rooted in biblical prophecies and a belief that Israel's struggles signal a prelude to Armageddon. Its followers staunchly support the Bush administration's unequivocal backing of Israel in its current battle with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

"This is a religious war that Islam cannot -- and must not -- win," Mr. Hagee wrote in a recent book, "Jerusalem Countdown," which focuses on what he says is a coming nuclear showdown with Iran. "The end of the world as we know it is rapidly approaching.... Rejoice and be exceeding glad -- the best is yet to be." The book has sold nearly 700,000 copies since it was released in January, according to his Florida-based religious publisher, Strang Communications.

"Leave Israel alone. Let them do the job," Mr. Hagee told his supporters last week at the banquet. Israel's enemies, said New York Congressman Eliot Engel, one of the few Democratic speakers, "do the work of Satan."

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB115396305776618640-lMyQjAxMDE2NTIzNzkyNjczWj.html

:wtf:

[progressoid]

1. Yeah, these people are f*cking spooky.

Dominioinists, Rapturists, etc. SCARY!!

And there are a lot of them too.

[butterfly77]

28. Doesn't it make you think...

if they think you are evil then they will condone bush killing anyone they think are evil. Notice how the generals on these news shows always calls everyone else the bad guys as though they are good and everyone else is bad.

[acmavm]

2. I'm always stunned at the way some idiot asshole can turn the words

of religion into a call for war and death and destruction. From any religion.

Organized religion is poison.

[Nimrod2005]

21. Amen!

[LynnTheDem]

3. Sick MFer. Love to imagine the look on his face when he meets

Jesus...and Jesus says "not in my name!"

Why the fuck would ANYONE think Jesus would condone KILLING PEOPLE????!!!

HELLO stupid MFers!!!

[Joanne98]

4. GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!*^$#%

[bronxiteforever]

5. Hagee would have slept through the Sermon on the Mount

Blessed are the peacemakers!!!Talking about hijacking religions-his interpretation of Christ would alter the meaning of Jesus words "suffer the little children so they can come unto me"-he is just another violent man who revels in the blood of the innocent

[IndianaGreen]

9. Hagee has an interesting history involving extra-marital relationships

There are several DUers that have posted threads about Hagee's sexual peccadilloes.

[bronxiteforever]

15. thanks Indiana

[xxqqqzme]

25. to quote Lewis Black....

'The old testament is MY book....you'll never see a Rabbi on Sunday morning television preaching from the new testament.'

[IndianaGreen]

6. This is another example of why religion should stay out of politics

Bush has faith-based science that believes that Noah had dinosaurs in his Ark, and now we have these idiots that believe that present day Israel is the same as ancient Israelites following the Ark of the Covenant into battle.

Marx said that religion was the people's drug of choice, and Lenin said that religion was a private matter as far as the state was concerned. They were both right!

[martymar64]

18. Mao said it best - Religion is Poison

n/t

[FormerDem06]

19. And then he allowed 30 million folks to die or be purged

During the "Great Leap Forward".

Sounds like he needed some kind of religion, or at least a moral compass to me....n/t

[IndianaGreen]

29. Stalin didn't have a Religious Right problem like we do in America

that's one very positive thing I can say about Uncle Joe's methodology of dealing with the fundie vermint.

[LuckyTheDog]

7. Jesus is coming!

And he is PISSED at people like Hagee.

[Debau2005]

12. He is coming Tuesday!

Or at least according to Phil, Javaman's neighbor! :evilgrin:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1745631&mesg_id=1745631

[IndianaGreen]

14. But Jesus is an undocumented alien

and the moment he arrives he should be arrested and deported, as Lou Dobbs says we should do to all undocumented aliens.

[treestar]

20. Yep! How will a man from the Occupied Terroritories ever manage

to get a valid nonimmigrant visa to enter the US? Looks like the fundies have got themselves outside the Rapture by preventing Jesus from entering the US!

A few weeks ago, the invasion of illegal Mexicans was a crisis that was going to deprive us all of our jobs. Nothing has changed, yet no one remembers that or is worried about it any more! Looks like the Israelis have solved that problem at least, by attacking Lebanon (apparently!)

[Norquist Nemesis]

22. I thought it was Thursday!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1754869#1755903

[TreasonousBastard]

8. This has been going on for years, and it's really getting...

out of hand.

A year or so ago, 60 minutes did a piece on these nutjobs running around Israel talking about helping to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. The final note on the piece was "Do the Israelis welcoming these Christian groups know what they're in for if it all comes true?"

[BlueManDude]

11. convert or burn in hell

it's all about real estate to the rapturists (one of whom sits the oval office). they have no respect for jews or their faith.

[tularetom]

10. WTF are they gonna do when the end o' the world

doesn't happen? These millenial prophecies aren't bible-based they were dreamed up in the 19th century to scam money out of naive hicks. Earlier practitioners went so far as to predict a date which obviously discredited them when the end failed to occur. You'd think after all this time that there's a limit to how far you can push even stupid gullible people but the success of charlatans like Hagee would seem to contradict that notion. Nevertheless, fool me once shame on, uh uh can't get fooled again? Or so you'd think.

[KKKarl is an idiot]

13. These people must have a different Bible from me

The Jewish leaders of Jesus's time did not consider Jesus to be the Messiah because he did not come to fight the Roman occupation of the land. He came to show them the peace a relationship with God brings. When he went for trial before the Roman governor Pilate, the people were asked to choose who they wanted to go free that day. Jesus or the warmonger Barabbas. They choose Barabbas & asked the governor to crucify Jesus. Not once did Jesus ever want to fight the Romans & they were the occupiers not the occupied. If Haggee & Co were reading the right Bible thy would know that their mission is to show the Jewish people Jesus the Messiah. Not support them in a war.

[madrchsod]

16. to bad they have never read the bible

violence will never get them into heaven because it says so right in the bible. but we all know it`s all about the money.

[opihimoimoi]

17. Hagee is NUTZ..b eyond hope, beyond Reason...He is Dangerous

[question everything]

23. You can be sure that Israelis will react the same way WTF?

Or urggghhh

These people want Israel to defeat all its enemies and then all the Jews will either have to convert or will be killed..

[Jacobin]

26. As a practical matter

Israel is in a no-lose situation with these whackos.

I don't think most Israelis have much fear of Jayzus coming down and converting them all to Christianity :crazy:....in the meantime, of course, all that money the fundies support giving to Israel, and all those crazed congresscritters who support anything and everything Israel does...well, there's no problem with that at all.

[Az_lefty]

24. If you have ever doubted that bunnypants is tied into these groups

this should dispel any doubt. "The end of the world as we know it is rapidly approaching.... Rejoice and be exceeding glad -- the best is yet to be." The blood lust here is just overwhelming. No "False Peace" let Armageddon begin.

[BenDavid]

27. I will only say the

tv preachers only use the scriptures that will be of benefit to them and them alone. Profit, profit, profit.....