Does anybody else feel the same way I do?

[AusGail]

When I watch the news these days I feel like putting my foot through the TV. I feel so totally useless when I see such injustice in the world (especially currently in the middle east). When Bush, Blair and sniveler Howard turn a blind eye to the misery being caused by the Israelis. If the Palestinians and Lebanese aren't experiencing terrorism right now, I don't know what terrorism is.

They even stoop to bombing UN observers, Red Cross trucks and ambulances. I realize that Hezbella are firing rockets into Israel, but isn't that a natural response?

I am aware that this post may be deleted because it sounds provocative, but I'm getting sick to death of what happened in World War 2 being used as an excuse for terrorism.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. I guess it's the chicken or egg

You say Hezbollah is responding; those who disagree will say they deliberately provoke.

[Mojambo]

2. Everyone over there needs to be sedated

I think we should get Pfizer and the other pharma-pushers on this.

Let's pump that whole region so full of thorazine that they'll be too high to kill each other.

[laruemtt]

5. or at least a few good pipesful

of ganja ;=)

[Redstone]

3. No, it won't be deleted. Anti-Israel posts, and especially posts that

defend terrorism ("I realize that Hezbella are firing rockets into Israel, but isn't that a natural response?") are perfectly welcome here.

Especially from the many new members we've gained in the last two weeks.

Redstone

[niyad]

10. I notice the "hate all the arabs, kill 'em" posts aren't deleted either,

so it appears that the mods are trying to be fair.

[Redstone]

13. Haven't seen a whole lot of those. Got links?

Redstone

[MsMagnificent]

18. Israel's being quite the terrorist itself

So the same right back at'cha!

[Redstone]

19. Thank you so much for your conciseful capsule summary.

Redstone

[leftofthedial]

21. my experience is the opposite

I've never endorsed or excused or apologized or supported Hezbollah, but I've had threads locked and have been attacked for criticizing Israel AND for asking simple questions about Israel's violence against Lebanon.

[savemefromdumbya]

4. Media are pushing war day after day - perspective

hardly anyone heard about Rwanda some years ago

[Skittles]

26. very racist

it is very disturbing how an entire continent is ignored

[driver8]

6. I cannot stand to watch the news on television anymore. I

absolutely hate being lied to.

[MissWaverly]

7. yes, I do

I was watching Washington Week and the "experts" were all saying that it looks bad for the
Republicans in the midterms but then they nod their heads like solemn owls and say, well,
he pull 2004 out of the hat; so maybe????? What maybe, is winning more important than
humanity. Look at all the innocent children who have died in Lebanon. Why can we have
sincere leaders seriously committed to establishing peace in the Middle East and don't
blame Lebanon on 9-11, (Mr. Blair), the truth is that the US has been on some sort of crusade
since 9-11 and it has nothing to do with stabilizing the Middle East. Whether, it's oil
politics, neocon fanaticism or greed, I don't know, but Iraq is a mess and Lebanon is
turning into Iraq II.

[msongs]

8. Israelites/Palestinians been doing this for 2500 years -nuttin new here nt

[MsMagnificent]

20. Please

Learn some history for God's sake!

*First of all: Israelites?! Israelites are individually any Jewish person, a member/descendant of the Twelve Tribes of Israel; so named because they were descendants of the twelve sons of Jacob, whom God renamed Israel (Genesis 32:28).
'Israelis' however are members of the modern State of Israel, of which the former and they are NOT the same.

*the Roman diaspora of the Jewish people occurred in 136 AD by the Romans.

*the State of Israel was established in 1948, bringing to an end the diaspora.

*Jewish people in the many areas of the different 'Palestines' throughout the ages (none of which was an actual Palestine State) including but not limited to Hadrian's Syria Palaestina and through time, many amorphous 'border' parameters up to the colonial British Mandate of Palestine, after WW I, lived in peace with their Arab neighbors up to the aforesaid creation of the Israeli State.

So only since 1948 the 'Israelites' as you say (but really I HOPE you mean the 'Israelis') "have been doing this", which in history is the blink of an eye
...God Knows it's seemed long enough to US :(
but hardly two & a half centuries

[leftofthedial]

22. Assyrians, Palestinians, Judeans, Jews, Baal-worshipers,

Babylonians, Egyptians, Muslims, Christians, Ottomans, Catholics, Protestants, Jordanians, Syrians, Turks, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, Semites, Israelis, Persians . . . If I left any out, you fill them in

have been killing one another, enslaving one another and attempting to destroy one another's civilizations since the earliest recorded history (and undoubtedly before then) in that region.

No one has ever been able to make them stop. I suppose the Romans came the closest.

[MsMagnificent]

24. In general, yes

but tell me, what area in what part of the world hasn't?
It's the human condition, unfortunately.

But to say that, especially after the Roman diaspora when precious few Jewish people were left living in that region, those 'Israelites' "have been doing that (killing each other, specifically: 'Palestinians' & vice versa!) for 2,500 years" is a blatant falsity.
And to contend that proposition, certainly it's more than an insult to the 'Israelites' who peacefully coexisted for millenia with their Arab & Persian neighbors.
The Son's of Israel rose above our generic, innate, base human condition, and to ignore their achievements & accomplishments is truly a sin!
...not to mention the easy-out: the 'oh well it's the status-quo, what can you do?' of fallaciously explaining away that the Jewish semites and the Arab/other semites were constantly, historically aggressive to each other, hence they will never be able to get along!

It's untrue. It's unfair. It ultimately nullifies their uniqueness, right along with psychologically destroying the future possibility of HOPE, COOPERATION and PEACE for both of those peoples, especially in that locale.


edit: Grammar & tried to clarify further some points

[JAbuchan08]

27. "none of which was an actual Palestine State"

which, of course, means that the people living their did not count.

[MsMagnificent]

29. are you being facetious?

I ceratainly hope
or, if not, what group of people didn't count
& exactly where, since Palestine was not a State/Nation?

It's sad I even have to ask this on DU of all places, but with some of these posts lately... :eyes: you never know

[JAbuchan08]

31. yes.

I was.

[ClassWarrior]

9. Nope. I'm channeling my anger and frustration into positive action.

You should too.

Welcome to DU. :hi: You're down under, I take it.

NGU.

[AusGail]

12. Thankyou for your welcome

What positive action are you taking? I feel so useless just having a winge about it.

[ClassWarrior]

28. Get involved in local party politics and shift the debate Progressive.

Become the best volunteer in the party - then they have to listen to you. And volunteering will keep you busy so you don't winge (I haven't heard that term since I was in London!).

NGU.

[AusGail]

30. I'm already a member of a political party

(Labor Party). With the many years I have been a member, it hasn't made a scrap of difference to party policy. I put forward resolutions regarding world matters and animal cruelty, but I feel sure that they are filed into the nearest waste paper basket.

I write letters to editors, but they are seldom published. I even resigned from the party once and voted with the Greens.

It just seems so frustrating that we are living in such a materialistic world. We have animal cruelty on farms eg: battery hen production and intense farming of pigs, so that we can get our eggs and pork at rock bottom prices. We also have live exports of sheep and cattle to the middle east where, if they survive the horrific journey, they are literally tortured on arrival.

Do you think my conscience is working overtime, or are people living in western society seeing the world through rose colored glasses. Maybe I should change my name to "Bleeding Heart".

[AusGail]

11. Probably the criteria for becoming a politician

is to become totally oblivious to people's suffering. It seems that depending on what country you come from, there is a different value placed on human life.

Have we started to become so used to seeing starvation in Africa, that we just wring our hands and say its not our problem? The irony of that situation is that the US has the highest obesity problem in the world, with Australia running a close second.

When we hear of Iraqis being blown up daily, do we value their lives less than the US troops?

One day, we may have to answer to a higher being. What excuse are we going to use for not doing anything about all these atrocities being committed in the name of freedom and democracy?

[cali]

25. That's a lovely piece of

sily hyperbole.

[proud patriot]

14. I don't watch cable news on T.V. anymore

My son heard colorful language when I watched the news
it wasn't good .

I do watch local bay area news which is pretty good IMO.

[Warpy]

15. Doesn't your local Pox affiliate show Simpsons reruns

during the nightly propaganda hour?

Honestly, the cognitive dissonance between the feel good pap I was seeing on network news and the reality I was living caused me to turn the set either off or to the Simpsons on November 3, 2004. I have found absolutely no reason to turn the lying bastards back on.

I feel much better about things with that drivel shut off. I feel much more sane now that I'm not offering a captive audience to their advertisers. I have much more hope now that I'm listening to conversations around me when the subject turns to current events than I did when I was listening to corporate hacks read nonsense about how great things are.

In any case, The Simpsons tell me more about what's really going on in this country than official newscasts 24/7 would do.

[AusGail]

17. I love the satire of The Simpsons but

aren't you just sticking your head in the sand by not keeping up with the serious side of world news? Or maybe my conscience is in overdrive at the moment.

[Warpy]

23. Aren't you assuming a lot?

Just because I ignore the happy talk on the nightly propaganda hour, do you think I miss all the news that is on the web, the news that is worth digging for?

My gawd, what do you think I'm doing HERE?

Jon Stewart was right. Those old boys are HURTING US.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

16. There is no excuse for Israel bombing Lebanon,it is a Democratic country!

As far as Israel and the rest of the world,I wish we had an administration that knew the meaning of diplomacy! livingwithwar.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7utryGZ25dg&mode=related&search=neil%20young%20garden After the garden is gone; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57PzfwhjYFw&search=neil%20young%20garden