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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 04:57 PM
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America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 05:41 PM by IanDB1
The GOP is controlled by Christian Fundamentalist Neocons intent on creating disorder and destruction in the world-- especially in The Mid-East-- as part of their program to bring about The Apocalypse and The Second Coming of Christ.

All of Bush's "failed" policies are directed toward this effort.

It is not incompetence that has led to these "failures" that have de-stabilized the world-- this is the deliberate intent of Bush's foreign and domestic policies.


Everything from the condom-free programs to "fight" AIDS around the world that actually spreads MORE AIDS, to the so-called "Roadmap To Peace" which is actually a "Roadmap to The Apocalypse." These "failures" are deliberate.

"Nobody could have anticipated..." is the new GOP Mantra.



The Christian Fundamentalist Domonionists running the US Government are willing to fight down to the last Jew, and the Muslim Fundamentalists running the Mid-East are willing to fight down to the last Palestinian.

Jews and Palestinians in Israel are the proxies in a war between Christian and Muslim Fundamentalists. The Christians are playing both sides against the other to do what they see as fulfilling Biblical End Time Prophesy, that will leave the Jews destroyed in The War of Armageddon.

Only 16% of Jews in America are Republicans. Does anyone wonder why?

They're the 16% like Joe Lieberman, who says in answer to Bush's war, "Give Me Your Children." They're the 16% like Jackie Mason, who feel safer collaborating by pointing the finger elsewhere, hoping that the Christo-fascists will find him to be a "Useful Jew" in the War to Save Christmas.

The Muslims are fighting because their state-controlled media have fed their citizens a steady diet of Anti-Jewish propaganda that leads them to believe that Jews are the one thing holding them back from peace and prosperity-- when in fact, it is the rich oil sheiks that drain the Earth of its wealth, giving none of it back to their local serf-like populations, that are keeping them poor and desperate.

As long as the billionaire sheiks, princes and sultans can scapegoat The Jews, they think that their citizens won't turn their gazes upon the opulent palaces of their rulers and ask, "Why don't they share some of the wealth with all of us?"

"Pay no attention to my fabulous marble palaces... Look! The Jews have Palestine!"

The American Neocons mollify some of their base with various reasons to explain why we're shitting all over the planet. They say it's about "Spreading Democracy," or "Securing our National Interests" aka, "Oil." And they also say we're protecting our allies-- for example, Israel.

With friends like America, Israel hardly needs enemies.

America is the guy in the bar who says to Israel, "Hey, you gonna let him say that about your mother? Here, borrow my gun."

And when it all goes to Hell, all eyes will be on Israel and upon the Jews around the world.

Already, anti-Semitic violence around the world, including in America, is on the rise. Check out The Southern Poverty Law Center at http://www.SPLcenter.org for statistics.

There will be a new Krystalnacht in every country around the world, including America. The American government will call for tolerance and restraint publicly, but will in fact do nothing as rioters run rampant through city after city, burring synagogues and attacking Jews in the streets of America.

And when enough damage has been done, Martial Law will be declared.

The surviving Jews will be rounded-up into detention camps "for their own protection," as we often claimed as justification for interring the Japanese during WWII.

Jews and Muslims will be rounded-up "for their own protection" from the angry mobs of America. The Minutemen, the Klansman, and combat-stressed, over-worked American troops who just cannot be trusted not to stalk and rape little girls and then kill their families.



Who knows how well America's new Interment Camp residents will be treated?



What happens when the camps become so full, they have no room for all the illegal immigrants?

And then the Conscientious Objectors who opt for a work program rather than to fight in a war, after we institute a military draft? Those camps are going to get awfully full. There will need to be some kind of solution-- perhaps even a Final Solution.

The Christian Triumpahlists will declare this an opportunity to "reclaim" America's "Christian Heritage," and America will officially declare itself a "Christian Nation."

We are looking at the fruition of the Christo-fascist Death Cult's plan to destroy Israel, to destroy the Muslim world, to rid America and the world of all non-Christians and other "undesirables."

And while we here on DU and elsewhere argue over who is the bigger terrorist-- Hammas, Hezbollah, or The IDF, we're missing the big picture-- all of those organizations are mere pawns. This bloodshed has been carefully cultivated for centuries.

As much as I abhor Israel's recent actions, I am even more repulsed by an organization that has the stated intent of driving the Jewish people into the sea. Hezbollah and Hammas use civilians as human shields, and the Israeli government stupidly plays right into their hands, causing untold needless bloodshed, and turning world opinion against them even more.

It's a perverted twist on Ghandi's non-violence program. The "New Terrorism" tactic is to inflict enough damage on your enemy to provoke a massive, disproportionate response against your own citizens-- and thus gain sympathy. They turn their own civilians into unwilling martyrs.

And there are stubborn, short-sighted people in the Israeli government who continue to fall into this trap of being "forced" to cause civilian casualties.

The Israelis know about this trap, and they drop leaflets in Lebanon, and even make phone-calls to Palestinians in Gaza to warn civilians to evacuate before bombing, yet there is still untold bloodshed and death. There is no such thing as a war without civilian causalities.

I do not know how to stop people from shooting rockets at you without shooting back at them. I do not know if there is a "good" solution to this problem. But what I do know is that the current Israeli counter-attacks are counter-productive and that the bloodshed is unconscionable.

On Thursday, Presidential Spokes Liar Tony Snow proudly declared that what we are seeing in the Mid-East right now, is the direct result of American Foreign Policy.

America, Fuck Yeah!

And the recent developments are being precisely choreographed by an administration that sees The Fires of Armageddon as the light at the end of the foreign policy tunnel.

Whether or not you believe there is a Christ, or that The Book of Revelation is a prophecy of the end of the world does not matter. In a way, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy. This administration is following it as a blueprint, and Christ or No Christ, the end result is death and destruction.

All the Bush policies that encourage global warming, pollution, spreading AIDS, destroying social safety nets-- it's all meant to de-stabilize the world into desperate, impoverished, warring factions. It's all meant to spread death, disease and famine as they believe is foretold in Revelation.

The "Roadmap to Peace" is a cookbook, and Israel is the sacrificial lamb for the Apocalypse. The American Christo-Fascists running our country believe that there needs to be a great war in Israel, in which a few thousand Jews will convert to Christianity, and the rest of Israel-- and the Jews-- will be destroyed by a very angry Jesus.



We are all playing right into their hands-- all of us. And by "all of us," I mean the whole world.



The world very well may be destroyed because 29% of Americans will believe anything Bush tells them. Because 29% of Americans believe Bush is appointed by God and cannot be questioned.

If you ever speak to a Palestinian whose house has been blown-up by Israel using a bomb that America sold them, and they ask you why America has allowed this to happen, tell them this-- their people are dying because some Americans were afraid gay people might want to get married.

Tell the families of the 30,000+ dead Iraqis that they are dying because 29% of Americans hate gay people more than they love their own children.

Tell the Israeli children, hunkered-down in their bunkers under a constant barrage of rockets, that the reason why their families are dying is because 29% of Americans failed to learn the lessons of The Holocaust.

People around the world are dying because 29% of Americans believe in un-questioning obedience to an absolute ruler, and have fallen under the power of a fear, smear, and queers based campaign, with a high-tech ballot stuffing program just large enough to tilt the scales-- twice.

And tell them that most of us are very sorry.


And tell all of them-- Muslims, Arabs, Jews, Iraqis, Palestinians-- all of them that I, for one, am very, very sorry, and that I am ashamed of my country.



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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:08 PM
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1. BRAVO! I think you've got something! K&R!
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:34 PM
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2. the problem to me seems to be more the 61% of Americans
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 05:35 PM by tocqueville
who don't believe in un-questioning obedience to an absolute ruler, but still are doing to little

I know it's difficult to be a hero, but is there another option ?
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 05:43 AM
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14. Good point, tocqueville
But one too few want to hear.
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:46 PM
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3. wow, powerful and interesting. / global voices link
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 09:47 PM by jarnocan
http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/ this is a web site I think is worthwhile to check out. Read what people around our world are thinking.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:20 PM
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4. Happy to ge this on the greatest page.
A pleasureto read.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:27 PM
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5. Kick
nt
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:32 PM
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6. They're trying to immanentize the Eschaton
So what else is new?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:39 PM
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7. Okay, that sent me to Google... Immanentize the eschaton...
Immanentize the eschaton
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


To immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the end of days, see eschatology) in the immanent (material) world. More recently, it has been used by conservatives as pejorative against what they perceive as utopian schemes, such as socialism, communism, etc. In this context it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now (on Earth)" or "trying to create heaven here on Earth."

Origin

According to Jonah Goldberg, writing in the National Review online (on 16 January 2002)

"In modern parlance, the phrase was coined by the late, great Eric Voegelin in The New Science of Politics in 1952. In the 1950s and 1960s, thanks largely to William F. Buckley's popularization of the phrase, Young Americans for Freedom turned it into a political slogan."

Buckley was the most notable of many US conservative readers of Voegelin's work.

Voegelin identified a number of similarities between ancient Gnosticism and those held by a number of modernist political theories, particularly communism and nazism.

He identified the root of the Gnostic impulse as alienation, that is, a sense of disconnection with society and a belief that this lack of concord with society is the result of the inherent disorder, or even evil, of the world. This alienation has two effects:

* The first is the belief that the disorder of the world can be transcended by extraordinary insight, learning, or knowledge, called a Gnostic Speculation by Voegelin (the Gnostics themselves referred to this as gnosis).
* The second is the desire to implement a policy to actualize the speculation, or as Voegelin described to Immanentize the Eschaton, to create a sort of heaven on earth within history.

One of the more oft-quoted passages from Voegelin's work on Gnosticism is the following:

The problem of an eidos in history, hence, arises only when a Christian transcendental fulfillment becomes immanentized. Such an immanentist hypostasis of the eschaton, however, is a theoretical fallacy.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 10:59 PM
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8. This is where I get on board:
Popular culture

The phrase has also been much used by Discordians. It is cited in the Principia Discordia, and is referred to fifteen times in The Illuminatus! Trilogy, the first of which is the first line of the novel, "It was the year when they finally immanentized the Eschaton." The phrase was also used in the debut single ("All You Need Is Love") by the Illuminatus!-inspired British band The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu: "With this killer virus who needs war? Immanentize the Eschaton, I said shag shag shag some more!"


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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:02 PM
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9. Do you think the Wikipedia dudes deliberately tried to use long words?
Or is it just that it's late at night and I've had too much Jack Daniels?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:13 PM
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10. I think the Jack Daniels Wikipedia night trial deliberated
using late word dudes too much.

Okay, now I'm jus' screwin' wichoo. :party:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 01:30 AM
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12. hmm . . . sounds like a Johnny Mercer number . . .
to the tune of "Accentuate the Positive" . . .

You've got to immanentize the eschaton
Capitulate because all hope is gone
And latch on to the apocalypse
Don't mess with Mister In-Between

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 02:45 AM
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13. LOL.
That's good! :rofl:
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:24 PM
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11. What Ian said. /nt
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 08:15 AM
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15. Sad but true
These Christians are in for a surprise when Jesus takes a rain check and they don't get to float off.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:21 AM
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16. What if it's The Scientologists who were right all along?
Damn you, Lord Xenu!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:56 AM
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17. See also: The Foreign Policy of 20 Million Would-Be Immortals
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 06:57 AM by IanDB1
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 08:44 PM
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18. Interesting perspectives, but I certainly disagree with a lot of what you
state as 'fact'. Certainly I disagree that Christian Fundamentalist 'Neocons!' control the GOP. The strange bedfellows of Christian Fundamentalists and Jewish (for the most part) Neocons is Rovian and Machiavellian. The religious fanatics are used for votes only, and their self-interest (if one can call it that without laughing...the end of the world is self-interest?) in Israel is not the same as the self-interest that fascist neocons have in Israel, which is property, location and oil. Might has always been right with property lovers and religious zealots.

I linked to this post from another (now blocked) thread, where you had mentioned "Immanentizing the Eschaton" and I recognized it as belonging or attributed to a so-called conservative, Eric Voeglin. He was not a neo-conservative, as is Strauss, although they were both Jewish emigrees. Voeglin was not atheistic; Strauss was. Strauss believed in 'might makes right' and 'lies are justified' and 'morality is relative so means justfy the ends' etc., and he so misinterpreted Plato, Machiavelli, Locke, and all ancient, medieval and modern political philosophers, IMHO, because he was an atheist. There is no way one can claim to be an interpreter of 'esoteric truths' and remain an atheist. Voeglin 'realized' divine reality, and spoke about it openly, and was truly in a position to interpret the so-called hidden meanings of classical political philosophy. I believe that the misinterpretations of Strauss, and the consequences for his current followers are devasting. When one couples the pro-Israeli neocon attitude of 'might makes right' with the pro fascist neocon attitude of 'get all you can by any means you can because greed is natural and possessions are the only valid goal in human existence' and further couples it with Christian Fundamentalists 'Immanentizing the Eschaton' with their totally absurd misinterpretations of prophesy and Revelations and 'end of world' rapture fantasies, one gets a very sick world view, and that is what we're seeing in part. All these views are in total opposition to traditional Judeo-Christian Values, and to U.S. and Israel values.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:04 AM
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20. See this thread: The Foreign Polciy of 20 Million Would-Be Immortals
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:27 PM
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21. Thanks for the links. I will check them out! ....n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:01 AM
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19. Immanentizing The Eschaton: More threads on Bush's Roadmap to Apocalypse
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 08:05 AM by IanDB1
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