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josh nelson Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:58 AM
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ACTION ALERT: The War on The Internet
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 02:13 AM by josh nelson
In an attempt to gain the support of suburban voters in the upcoming elections, the House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a bill that would prevent access to blogs and wikis in schools and libraries. The stated purpose of the bill, the Deleting Online Predators Act (DOPA) is to protect children from online predators. There are two major problems that I see with the legislation.

1. By not allowing students to access social networking sites such as myspace in supervised environments, they are encouraging them to do so when no one is watching. This, in effect, makes it more likely that they will fall prey to online predators.

2. The freedom to enjoy a healthy combination of blogs and alternative news sites in an individual's information diet should not be limited to those of us over the age of 18. This bill, if passed by the Senate, would essentially limit minors to mainstream news sources, despite the plethora of other quality information sources available on the web.

Steve Yelvington lists the criteria that Would cause a site to be banned under this bill.

(i) is offered by a commercial entity;

(ii) permits registered users to create an online profile that includes detailed personal information;

(iii) permits registered users to create an online journal and share such a journal with other users;

(iv) elicits highly personalized information from users; and

(v) enables communication among users.


The 5th of these criteria, if interpreted the wrong way by the FCC, could include pretty much the entire Internet. Without question, sites that would be banned would include: Amazon, Ebay, All Blogs and Wikis, all social networking sites, and many mainstream news sites that allow users to create a profile.

As Yelvington pointed out
The bill now advances to the Senate, where it can be voted on by boobs who think the Internet is made out of tubes.


I'm asking everyone here at the Democratic Underground community to help make sure they make the right decision.

Everyone needs to contact their Senators with two purposes in mind.

1. Tell them you are opposed to the bill and you hope it gets more scrutiny in the Senate than it did in the house. If you live in the suburbs, be sure to mention this fact.

2. Ask them how they intend to vote on the bill and report it here as a comment. As well as posting this diary on several other sites, I will create a list of how Senators intend to vote on the bill and update it until the vote takes place (which may be as early as this week.) Perhaps with the distributed knowledge and researching capabilities of the blogosphere we can create the neccessary pressure to at least slow this bill down until the ramifications can be properly discussed.

This bill has been pretty much completely ignored by the mainstream media. Please spread this message via all of the types of sites that are threatened by the bill.

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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:40 AM
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1. K & R, everyone must read this
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felman87 Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:42 AM
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2. Damn them!
Why can't politicians just leave the internet alone? If we're so concerned about child safety then why don't parents get more involved in their kids life. Honesty, it's just like when they try to make legislation for video games, they don't know what the f**k they're talking about!
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:03 AM
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3. If Congress gave a shit about kids, they would get rid of violence on TV,
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 03:09 AM by zonkers
get these kids a better education and better healthcare (not neccsarily in that order.)
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josh nelson Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:04 AM
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4. Thank you
I hope people on this site take notice and are willing to put in the work to make a few phone calls.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:58 AM
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11. they won't "leave it alone" for the same reason MEDIA wasn't left alone...
because they only want THEIR version of the "truth" available to the masses. Welcome to the police state that used to be America.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:42 AM
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5. Silly and will not work. The 'do no harm' Congress is at it once
more. I went to college in the 50's and odd men were calling up the dorms asking girls out then. This stuff has always been around. You educate your children to stop it and to keep them safe. In my days comic books and radio were making us bad. This may be odd but we kids all knew the sex nuts in town and we just stayed away from them plus usually laughed at them. Kids have to learn some way of knowing the nuts in the world and they have to learn some judgment on how to live in this world. It is giving you a false view of the world to say you have taken all that out of the world with some law. Or so I think.
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josh nelson Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 06:05 AM
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6. You make a great point
I hadn't looked at it quite like that, thanks.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:12 AM
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7. My folks wanted us safe also but we were told to think what we
were doing. Half the kids I know now live in fear because the parents are in fear they may learn something that the parents do not like. It is sort of a dream world for these kids that they can always be safe and some will always keep them that way. On top of kids being sort of fearless any how one must teach them to have some judgment on how they will look at the world. I recall once as a kid some old guy wanting to take our pictures when we were at the beach in bathing suits and my friend wanted to go to his car as he wanted us to. I kept telling her. Old guys like that are up to no good. Think what you are doing. She finally did even if I was a kill joy to her. As if some old guy was going to really put us in some mag. wake up kids. Kids are not even left to get on school buses now and have their mother's watching them at the end of their own yards. Can't children be taught and trusted not to get into someones car? Someday they will be on their own and they will need some self judgment on these every day things. Children and women were never safe on just any streets in any city in I think our history. Even men had to watch where they went. It is a judgment call.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:46 AM
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8. Of course there must be a federal law
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 09:49 AM by bigbrother05
Can't have professional educators and librarians just acting like they run the place. Most folks in that position are a lot closer to the issues and are certainly more diligent than the law makers and many parents. Content scanners, etc. are quite prevalent and most schools are so litigation-phobic that I doubt any need much coaxing to apply available tools to limit their networks.

The threat is in the home, but just wait and the NSA will take care of that for us too.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:05 AM
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9. I'm not sure this would survive a 1st Amendment challenge in SCOTUS
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:36 AM
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10. It sure *is* DOPA!
Since when is this any of their business???? What about the school boards and the people who actually pay for and run the libraries and schools????
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:35 PM
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12. Okay, I'm pretty pissed
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 03:08 PM by tinfoil tiaras
This has to be unconstitutional. And illegal. The MSM sucks ass. Period. This bill would ban DU access at school, b/c DU fits all the criteria. :( Plus, I live off of wikipedia (for school projects, etc). It won't protect anyone from internet predators. I think those dateline shows about internet predators could protect someone better from them than this bill. This bill will only make a whole generation of teenagers and young adults angry.

:( :(
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josh nelson Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:53 PM
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13. I'm right there with ya
Has anyone contacted their Senators yet?
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:05 PM
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14. Mine would probably support it (Lott and Cochran, MS)
so its kinda useless to contact them...:( :(
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josh nelson Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:06 PM
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15. Please contact them anyway
So we can get the list completed.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:42 PM
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16. Wow. Wouldn't want all this freedom of speech stuff cluttering up
their formative minds, now would ya?
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 11:44 PM
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17. K & R! We get the word out on this -- nt
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:50 AM
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18. Would DU be on this list?
Does anyone know for sure?
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josh nelson Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 03:14 AM
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21. yes
Given the criteria, it definitely would.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:10 AM
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19. Uh, Oh
Looks like the compassionate conservatives want to show thier base that they are actually doing SOMETHING and this something is "for the children"!!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:38 AM
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20. insanity
this is paranoid reactionary or

calculated destruction of free speech

I am afraid it is the latter
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josh nelson Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 03:45 PM
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22. I am afraid
you are correct.
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