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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:30 PM
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Time for California to Impeach Bush and Cheney
Dear Impeachment Advocate,

Next week marks a pivotal moment for the California Impeachment Resolution (AJR39). Advocates will be lobbying legislators in the California Assembly and holding a press conference on Tuesday August 8th at 9:30 am with Assembly member Paul Koretz (author of AJR39) and various other legislators, advocates and celebrities. At the press conference, we hope to present thousands of names on a petition to the California legislature.

Please sign the online petition in support of California Assemblyman Paul Koretz' Assembly Joint Resolution, AJR39, to call for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

We hope to reach at least 1,500 signatures by Friday of this week. With your help, I think we can do it.

You must reside in California to sign the petition. Go to:
http://www.gopetition.com/online/8849.html

For further information, please contact Susie Shannon at (323) 939-5475 or e-mail susieshannon@comcast.net

Thank You.

PLEASE SEND TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW IN CALIFORNIA
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:39 PM
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1. done-- thanks for posting this....
eom
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:43 PM
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2. Yes thank you
for posting this, and I most certainly will sign the petition.

:)



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RonHack Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:59 PM
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3. Shame that I couldn't sign.....
.... I live in Massachusetts.

Maybe I could ask my Congressman to sponser a petition for the impeachment of Bush as well?
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Tekla West Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:07 PM
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4. I'm torn
One on hand I'm all for impeaching him. But I would rather he be put on trial for treason with capital charges attached.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:19 PM
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14. Hi Tekla West!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:21 PM
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15. Why not both?
I can't see how double jeopardy would come into play. Impeachment isn't a criminal proceeding, per se. If he were removed from office he'd still be a candidate for a criminal trial. Wouldn't he?
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:16 PM
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5. ...then what do we get?
If we impeach dubya...do we get darth as our leader??? God help us if the cat is out of the bag. I'm not so sure we really want that, do we?
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:41 PM
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7. I say yes
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 03:42 PM by Popol Vuh
because it'll bring dart into the spot light, and you know how cockroaches hate the light. Plus, an impeachment will go a long way in the PR department against the Repubs.


That's my opinion...



P.S. Welcome to the DU Hulk, glad to have you. :hi:



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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:27 PM
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24. Seconded! Including the Welcome to DU! Look, PLEEEEZE don't
get all woozy about the idea because cheney lurks in the shadows.

I think it would be poetic justice to thrust him rudely into the spotlight, on center stage, in the open, where he can't hide, he can't sneak around, he can't manipulate behind the scenes, he can't move 'em and shake 'em behind the curtain, he can't slither around in the dark, up to no good and able to pull it off because nobody's watching. Shove him out there front-n-center, where he's stuck in the spotlight and forced to agonize like a pinned bug on a specimen sheet. cheney's a true creep - operating in the shadows where nobody's watching, where nobody can see what he's up to. That's exactly where he likes to be. He's had decades of a career in high-level politics - PLENTY of time to run for president if he wanted it. The fact is, he DOESN'T want it. He likes the figurehead in front, taking all the flak and all the heat and all the punches, being the obvious target, while he takes refuge in the shadows. And he's left alone there to go about all his dirty business with nobody seeing and nobody looking, out of sight and out of mind until his damage is done. It would be SWEET justice to thrust him out there in the uncomfortable open - where he absolutely DOES NOT want to be. It would be the most dreadful year or so of his life. FILLED with sleepless nights, and out of his element and DEFINITELY out of his comfort zone.

It's the worst fate I could wish on him, so of course I DO!!!

And Popol's other point here about the bad publicity such an event would generate - that is VERY true. It'll bring 'em ALL down in the morale department. They'll be negotiating from a position of WEAKNESS, NOT strength. They'll be demoralized, frustrated, angry, and depressed. More republi-CON voters are apt to be so disheartened and dis-spirited that they'll be far more likely to stay home and cry in their beer than go vote. It'll be a pox on their houses, and leave a stench on them all for quite awhile. We could use a good setback for them, because we have a lot of lost ground to make up and a horrific mess to try to clean up.

And for those who argue that it would provoke a backlash against us Dems - oh, another IMPEACHMENT! ICK-ICK-ICK, I'd say - not so fast. There's a UNIVERSE of difference between Clinton's impeachment - remember? For a BLOW JOB? For lying about CHEATING ON HIS WIFE??? And the reasons why it hurt the persecuting party back then was that so many people realized this - that this whole impeachment was utterly bogus and embarrassing, for a whole lotta nothing. For SEX. An IMPEACHMENT of george w. bush would be brought about for reasons FAR more grave, credible, and beyond compare. THIS is the kind of thing IMPEACHMENT was set up to remedy - an arrogant, power-abusing executive who demonstrates repeated and egregious incompetence and flagrant flouting of the Constitution he swore to PRESERVE, protect, and defend (and NOT use as his own personal roll of toilet paper). THIS is MUCH different. There's just no comparison. This would NOT be IMPEACHMENT for a stupid, embarrassing, partisan trifle. This is about sending a nation to war based on lies, against a sovereign state that did not attack us and posed no threat, plus the trampling of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the torture policy we're now famous for, and the sheer incompetence and gross dereliction of his sworn and sacred duty. THESE are high crimes and misdemeanors, as opposed to some stupid frickin' blow job with an intern of consenting age and eager intent. THAT'S why it brought republi-CONS' poll numbers down. Because a vast majority of Americans saw through it for the partisan, petty vendetta that it was.

I, for one, would thoroughly enjoy watching the grossly uncomfortable dick cheney chafing against the hot lights and twisting in the wind, wishing for that nice shadowy rock he used to be able to crawl under when the heat was on.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 03:35 PM
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6. K & R n/t
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:14 PM
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8. I had my doubts, but after I saw the John Buchanan interview, and the...
Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 04:14 PM by BlueCaliDem04
...the Aaron Russo trailers of "America: Freedom to Fascism" ( www.freedomtofascism.com ),I've signed the petition, and my sons, my husband, and most definitely my friend will sign the petition as well, although we're already FAR over the 1500 signatures needed, and it's only Monday!

Want to see something really scary? Link to:

http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=150305martialpreview&link=http%3A%2F%2F70.84.33.210%2F%7Einfomedi%2Fvideo%2Fpreviews%2F150305martialpreview.wmv

See why Californians should not only sign the Impeachment Petition, but vote Schwarzenegger out of office this November as well!
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cannonfire Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:16 PM
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19. Side note on Aaron Russo
I will have to discuss this in full at a later time. But I would counsel DU members from embracing Aaron Russo's film, which I have seen. It is filled with demonstrably false quotations and skewed "facts."

I derive no joy from saying this. I know that Russo (who happens to be facing serious health issues) is a decent man who went into this project with the best of intentions.

Some parts of AF2F are quite good indeed, but the anti-tax material is based on extremely poor historical research, with iffy "evidence" culled from the loopiest sectors of the far, far right.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:49 PM
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20. Yes, he's admitted he's a Libertarian in the interview, and the fact
...that he subscribes to "local government" kind of says enough.

On the "tax issue" (I believe you mean the Federal Reserve is a government agency? And not a private, centralized bank? Or do you mean that no where in the Constitution is an American obligated to pay Federal Income Tax?) he might be "iffy" on historical fact, but what about the Real ID Act set to become law May 2008?

And what do you think about the John Buchanan interview I've posted a link to in my other post?
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:26 PM
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9. 1933 signatures
as of 2:26 PT.

Go California!!

:woohoo:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:56 PM
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12. Plus one more. Thanks for the opportunity n/t
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dhill926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:51 PM
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10. moving there (LA) in a couple weeks...
if this is still open, signing it will be one of the first things I do. Hah! Can't wait!
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:56 PM
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11. 2170 Signatures as of 2:53pm PST

:kick: and recommend!
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:01 PM
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13. Thanks for posting this. I'm not in CA, but passed it along. n/t
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:42 PM
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16. If the resolution passes in California what's next?
I'm curious about this.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 06:06 PM
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17. have forwarded to 5 people in California (n/t)
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 06:47 PM
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18. I wish I could sign
but I don't live in California.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 08:12 PM
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21. Maybe the rolling blackout will inspire many to sign.
Thank you California.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:29 PM
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22. Two weeks ago
there was someone collecting signatures for this at my local farmer's market, so more than likely there are more sigs coming in from sources other than online.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:05 PM
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23. Darn...
makes me wish I hadn't changed my voter registration when I cam to Oklahoma for school.
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TNC4DNC Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:33 PM
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25. Forget the Resolution... what about secession.
Yes, I am talking about independence for California. Not just because of W, but I have long felt that way. I think there comes a time when a state has grown enough that it is time to leave the nest. California (potential) Nation, fits the bill perfectly. There are many countries that can't even begin to match the population of SOUTHERN California, let alone the whole state. California seems to be in the forefront of all the progressive things WAY before the rest of the nation catches up. California is much more diverse than the rest of the U.S., and it definitely has all the tools to succeed on its own. Then you wouldn't have to worry about California boys dying for a fool like W, going off to the Middle East. They could have a relationship to the U.S. like Canada has right now, just separate. One of the most important benefits would be that Californians would have much better representation for its own people and they could focus on their own territory, and not have to worry about competing for Federal dollars, or about the Federal government dragging its feet on issues it wants to move forward with, etc.

I know this might not be a popular view, but I don't care. Write me if you must. I for one, wouldn't stand in their way if they tried it. Finally, for all you flag freaks, if you think losing a state would mess up the flag, then we could just add Puerto Rico or DC as a state, and leave it just like it is.
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Celica Toyota Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:39 PM
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26. signed. Thanks David.
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