It's not fair the way the media is handing Kucinich the nomination

[underpants]

I don't want the press to decide who our candidate will be. I want to make that decision myself and do it in a "ooh look at how different I am" kinda way. I know that all the signs (see below) point to this but I still don't think it is fair. If he gets the nomination I think I might just Constitutionally given right and duty home and not play anymore because if I can't have what I want then I don't like it.

I don't know it is a hard decision and the only thing that would make it any easier is the warm glow of self satisfaction I will get for the next 4 years when I walk around all knowing 'n stuff that I made that decision not to play any more and I am all cool and stuff. When my kids and grandkids ask me how things got so bad I can all relate to them and tell them how cool I was 'cause I didn't get my way so I took my ball and went home.



Kucinich Predicts Winning Democratic Nod
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040204/ap_on_el_pr/kucinich_3


Kucinich Makes His Strongest Showing in N.M.
http://www.abqjournal.com/elex/140922elex02-05-04.htm

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/159436_wakucinich05.html

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/index.php?ID=2988

[Wetzelbill]

1. I wish!!!

[youngred]

2. Unlike Dennis, Politics and the Media aren't fair

It's a sad comment on our country when a man like Dennis is treated the way he has been.

[rucky]

3. Yeah, that's the ticket

you must be reading my mind.

:eyes:

[Tinoire]

4. Yeah right ...

Thanks for another "thoughtful" post.

:eyes:

[underpants]

6. you're welcome

:hi:

[charlie]

5. Why post this

when you know it'll get deleted?

And blow it out your ass. I'm voting for Kucinich and the Democratic nominee.

If you think avowals of sitting out the election are just coming from the Kucinich camp, you're out of your mind.

PS

Blow it out your ass :hi:

[underpants]

15. Thanks for the advice

I just did. Read a really good article by Mitch Albom too, want a link?

[charlie]

16. Football?

Thanks, but no. I'm done with football, I hate what it's become.

[underpants]

20. No. Lies and WMD

http://www.freep.com/sports/albom/mitch1_20040201.htm

[charlie]

21. Oy, that is good.

Hope he doesn't lose his job over it.

[underpants]

24. Becase of his books a lot of people read his articles that normally

wouldn't. That is a good thing and yes that is a good article.

[burrowowl]

7. Of all the candidates

DK scares the 'Establishment' (as we used to call it) the most. They don't want even his ideas to get aired.
Instead of getting debate and issues aired, the media treats getting the presidential or any nomination like a homecoming queen popularity contest. SHAME on them!

[Terwilliger]

8. So, whatever happened to those charges against Scott Ritter?

After all, you were convinced he was a pedophile, right?

[Wetzelbill]

9. Speaking of Scott Ritter, I got an e-mail from him today

[underpants]

10. I did until that thread

Now I can see that it wasn't as cut and dried as I had thought. I was wrong.

[Nadienne]

13. No amount of threads will convince you of Kucinich...

But I guess I understand. For the most part, fickle (and sometimes stupid, usually unreliable, gullible, easily frightened, easily milsed...) people are who will determine the nomination and the President...

Nevertheless, I hold on and try to appeal to their better selves...

[underpants]

19. I don't have anything against DK really

He definitely knows what he believes and is carrying on where almost all others would not. He enjoys the support of you and those like you who feel it in their hearts and souls, you have to respect that. I agree with a lot of what he says but I think a lot of it comes out as a bit er zany to most people, sorry that is just how I see it.

Reversing NAFTA stokes the coals of old fashioned working class America but I seriously doubt that it will be completely reversed, that companies would bring back jobs even if it was, or that this isn't just another huge economic change much like we saw at the end of the 70's with the auto and steel industries. Amending NAFTA could be a great way to collect from corporate tax cheats and lessen the deficit.


Promising to get the troops home in what 60 days sounds just like that, a promise. It is met with a roll of the eyes by many who have heard promise after promise from politicians and believe about 30% of what they hear. He was right to oppose the war and right not to trust W with the IWR powers, others should have known better.

I could go on and on but this really wasn't directed at DK to start with just that we have to keep our eyes on the prize and get THEM out of there. Everyone will have their say after that happens to some degree.

[redqueen]

22. A few issues with this post

Reversing NAFTA is the only way to change it. The people in Congress have had a decade to 'amend' it. They have amended it... for the benefit of corporations.

What does that tell you?

This is nothing like the economic change in the 1970's or the 1870's. This is a whole new ballgame, friend. This time, corporations are taking over, and making themselves above the law, worldwide. If we don't stop them, I dare say all hope is lost and we will live under corporate rule until there is some massive uprising (which I really doubt will happen... people are too easily comforted by small amounts of material things).


And his effort to bring the troops home in 90 days (not 60), is based on his hope that the UN, once we show them our good faith by giving up our control over the oil contracts and reconstruction contracts, will be able to marshall support from other countries for a cooperative effort. God knows we won't get any help as long as we keep our deathgrip on the spoils of war.

Are any other candidates yet co-opting Dennis's plan to give up control of the spoils of war in order to save the lives of some of our troops, and make life more peaceful and dignified for the Iraqi people?

[underpants]

23. I think anyone calling for "more international/UN/NATO involvement"

is basically implying just that. They aren't coming in if they (or their companies) don't get a cut out of this great heist. I am *cough* assuming that this is understood in a call for replacing our troops over there. Maybe I am wrong.

As far as NAFTA goes. Well I don't think I am going to convince you otherwise but I do think that it gives us a framework in which to make demands (human rights and wages) in other nations that we didn't have before. I think it is also a framework in which the US has to make changes (environment now that Kyoto was junked). I think it is the creation of an economic UN where things can get worked out.

[MuseRider]

11. Kucinich has said

he will support the nominee so there is no reason to be pissy with him. Most of his supporters have a second choice and realize they may very well have to support someone they do not want. Those who "want to take their ball and go home" have every right to do that and do not have to explain or defend themselves to you or anyone. I would guess quite a few of them are back to the Democratic party because of DK but they will leave again and that is their right so why do we always have to be so snotty about it?

[underpants]

17. I picked DK but it could have been anyone

I knew that DK's supporters would respond more and more energetically than any others.

My point really was that we have to keep our eyes on the prize as we might not get another chance. Regardless of the doublespeak and, dare I say, Orwellian practices of this crowd in the WH and so forth if we don't stop this ball from rolling now we might not have another chance.

I don't usually get into conspiracy theories and certainly don't extrapilate them but consider this:

W wins the election
We have four more years of intalling black box voting (the danger of that is not a theory in my eyes)
We suffer not only voter purges but arrests of certain demographics so as to not allow them to vote anymore (I won't go to the detention thinking just the voting)
Who do we get after W is gone? Jeb, a REAL neo-con? The monarchy is established.

Again I pray that our fellow Americans would see the light if these things were to occur but we can't take that chance (Have you been to the DMV?) and as fairly informed citizens with likeminded goals and ideals we can't let the votes we should have in the bank go away.

[Nadienne]

12. You know, there is some truth to this:

What Democrat, given the choice between Kucinich and Bush - especially those who hate Bush would vote for Bush?

Even with his well-funded smear machine, do you think anyone who has attended a primary or caucus so far would vote for Bush?

Even many Republicans are dissatisfied with Bush.

I think, even if we give them a choice they don't like, they will be more likely to stay home or vote Democratic.

I think, if the Conservatives push things like morals and ethics and integrity, Kucinich will shine: he is an honest politician. And Bush is a liar. Other candidates... well, at least you can probably say they are more honest than Bush...

[DemBones DemBones]

14. It's not clear to me whether you meant

to tease us Kucinich supporters or other people with this post. . . :shrug:

I don't think any Kucinich supporters have said they wouldn't vote for
the nominee unless it's Dennis.

I know I plan to vote for the nominee, barring unforeseen developments. If I didn't vote for the nominee, it would be because I decided I had serious ethical reasons that kept me from voting for that person, whoever it might be, and not because my preferred candidate didn't win the nomination.

:hippie:

Anyway, Kucinich supporters may want to look at the Kucinich slide show at Yahoo, which you can get to from the Yahoo link in the initial post. Slide #5 or 6 is a nice photo of Dennis speaking in front of a very large inflatable globe.

[YNGW]

18. If the Kucinich voters...

.... want to write in his name on the ballot or vote Green or Socialist or Bush for that matter, that's their choice. I don't get this "If your candidate doesn't win we all need to line up behind the nominee" crap. The people saying that are just a bunch of anonymous posters on a web site that don't really matter. Each of us has to look at him/herself in the mirror everyday based upon the decisions we make when we pull the lever. I couldn't have pulled the lever for Gore in 2000 knowing that Nader was the better candidate. What other people who would critize that decision think of that is something I can look at them in the eyes and say "I don't care what you think about how I voted or will vote in the future".

Kucinich supporters, I don't have to say this to you because I know your independence, but as a gesture of good-will and encouragement, I urge you to exercise your right to vote for the person who you believe is the best qualified to be president and let the chips fall where they may.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

25. I'm not sure that this merits another $5 for Dennis, so

I'll simply add $2.50.

:-)