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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:15 PM
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The ten "most harmful books" of the 19th and 20th century
From the Law Librarian Blogg:http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/law_librarian_blog/2006/08/dont_read_these.html

who found this from

the National Conservative weekly :http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=7591


Note: not my comments theirs but my edit on what I thought was pertinent on what they wrote
According to the conservative Human Events,
the ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century are:

1 The Communist Manifesto
The Manifesto envisions history as a class struggle between oppressed workers and oppressive owners, calling for a workers’ revolution so property, family and nation-states can be abolished and a proletarian Utopia established.

2 Mein Kampf
was initially published in two parts in 1925 and 1926 after Hitler was imprisoned for leading Nazi Brown Shirts in the so-called “Beer Hall Putsch” that tried to overthrow the Bavarian government

3 Quotations from Chairman Mao
“It is the task of the people of the whole world to put an end to the aggression and oppression perpetrated by imperialism, and chiefly by U.S. imperialism,” wrote Mao.

4 Kinsey Report
Alfred Kinsey was a zoologist at Indiana University who, in 1948, published a study called Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, commonly known as The Kinsey Report.

5 Democracy and Education
John Dewey, who lived from 1859 until 1952, was a “progressive” philosopher and leading advocate for secular humanism in American life, who taught at the University of Chicago and at Columbia. He signed the Humanist Manifesto and rejected traditional religion and moral absolutes. In Democracy and Education, in pompous and opaque prose, he disparaged schooling that focused on traditional character development and endowing children with hard knowledge, and encouraged the teaching of thinking “skills” instead. His views had great influence on the direction of American education--particularly in public schools--and helped nurture the Clinton generation.

6 Das Kapital
Marx’s materialistic theory of history, portraying capitalism as an ugly phase in the development of human society in which capitalists inevitably and amorally exploit labor by paying the cheapest possible wages to earn the greatest possible profits.

7 The Feminine Mystique
Betty Friedan, born in 1921, disparaged traditional stay-at-home motherhood as life in “a comfortable concentration camp”--a role that degraded women and denied them true fulfillment in life. She later became founding president of the National Organization for Women.

8 Course of Positive Philosophy
Comte, the product of a royalist Catholic family that survived the French Revolution, turned his back on his political and cultural heritage, announcing as a teenager, “I have naturally ceased to believe in God.” Later, in the six volumes of The Course of Positive Philosophy, he coined the term “sociology.” He did so while theorizing that the human mind had developed beyond “theology” (a belief that there is a God who governs the universe), through “metaphysics” (in this case defined as the French revolutionaries’ reliance on abstract assertions of “rights” without a God), to “positivism,” in which man alone, through scientific observation, could determine the way things ought to be.

9 Beyond Good and Evil
Here Nietzsche argued that men are driven by an amoral “Will to Power,” and that superior men will sweep aside religiously inspired moral rules, which he deemed as artificial as any other moral rules, to craft whatever rules would help them dominate the world around them

10 General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money
Keynes was a member of the British elite--educated at Eton and Cambridge--who as a liberal Cambridge economics professor wrote General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money in the midst of the Great Depression. The book is a recipe for ever-expanding government. When the business cycle threatens a contraction of industry, and thus of jobs, he argued, the government should run up deficits, borrowing and spending money to spur economic activity.


Honorable Mentions include:

*On Liberty by John Stuart Mill

*Beyond Freedom and Dignity by B.F. Skinner

*Reflections on Violence by Georges Sorel

*The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin

*Madness and Civilization by Michel Foucault

*Coming of Age in Samoa by Margaret Mead

*Unsafe at Any Speed by Ralph Nader (???)

*Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir

*Wretched of the Earth by Frantz Fanon

*Introduction to Psychoanalysis by Sigmund Freud

*The Greening of America by Charles Reich

*Descent of Man by Charles Darwin

Any questions on why I can't have an intellectual discussion with conservatives? I have read every book here.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:19 PM
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1. Yikes!
This might just be the most dangerous list!

If this person or people start talking book burning, there's a problem.

I think all of those books are valuable. It may well be that all books have value, even though I hesitate on painting with such a broad brush.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:22 PM
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3. I would like to know their safest and greatest list
It would probably be very intellectually boring.
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eviltwin2525 Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:28 PM
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12. I'm afraid their "best 10" list would probably
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:30 PM by eviltwin2525
consist of the ashes of the "worst 10" list. Mingle my ashes with those and I shall consider myself in exquisite company (except for Adolf, of course....how the hell did he make this list?) I'm just disappointed the Nietsche that made it wasn't "Thus Spake Zarathustra," my fave.


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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:36 PM
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17. No, I think it would look more like this
1. The Bible

2. "The way things ought to be" by 35-Million-Dollars-a year-to-tell-you-your-opinion Duschebag

3. The Bible (This one has a blue cover)

4. Gawdless by Mann Coulter

5. The Bible (Extra King James Version!!!)

6. "How to live with yourself after demonizing liberals (if you must)" by Mann Coulter

7. The Bible (Children's version with pop-up resurection action!)

8. My Pet Goat

9. The Bible (the Catholic version...buy it to convert them to REAl CHISTIANITY)

10. "Extra-large type spoon fed opinions" by Bill O'Leily
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:38 PM
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20. LOL.......good list and I love firesign theater...N/T
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:51 PM
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23. I find Firesign theater amusing too, but what what has that to do with my
post?


Did they do something similar? If so, I guess great minds think alike.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:01 PM
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28. 1969 album


yours came from this story:

Give peace a chance Legend has it that this stamp sheet was created by the "country" of Abkhazia, which is a small section of Georgia, in an attempt to raise funds from wealthy foreigners. Popular opinion has it that this is a hoax and that the sheet is a fake. Who cares? It's gorgeous! http://www.whyaduck.com/greetings.htm
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:19 PM
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34. Ohhhh...
I knew about mine...I figured someone already had used the idea well beforehand.

I just wonder who 'M'dyah' and 'Lziion' are :silly: ...Sorry every time I see someone using cyrillic letters to spell out things in a latin language it throws my brain for a loop. :hi:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:43 PM
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45. I HAVE that stamp!. . . Got it a long time ago...
(It's not real?)
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 05:46 AM
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55. The Stamp by all accounts is real
but the Album cover has the misuse of Cyrilics that I was talking about.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:29 PM
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39. Oh, GOD, I love that album cover!
BTW - I LOVE that whyaduck.com - I fell in love with Harpo the first time I saw him...
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:27 PM
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47. Good thing you didn't put the Koran...
in there. That book has led to tons of peace, love, equality and rational thought.:sarcasm: BTW:I'm against all religion, I just find it silly that Christianity should be the only religion getting bashed around here. I'm an equal opportunity basher!
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 05:48 AM
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56. Actually it reads like a lawbook (the Koran)
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 05:53 AM by YOY
and I moreover agree, but the American conservative Right wouldn't read it even if their lives depended on it. Therefore it was omited from the list.

and I'm not bashing Christianity. I'm bashing the fucking Jebus/extremists who have hijacked it and decided what is 'Kristian' and what is 'Ungawdly'.

Christians are kind, loving, and forgiving. They give money to the poor and take care of the sick. The Children and the Elderly are what are important to real Christians.

How much you wanna bet these RW Jebusites have gone against everything that Christ taught just to support their own insane POV?
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:37 AM
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64. Believe me, I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying!
But the original post was discussing the most "harmful" books of the 19th and 20th centuries. The bible was at its most harmful during the crusades, inquisition and Spanish conquering of the New World. It was responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents. The Koran in the last 100 years or so has caused some.....er, "problems" that I would argue have been more harmful worldwide than even the nuttiest Christian groups of the 20th and 19th centuries. If the list had specified "most harmful toward USA" then you'd be spot on.
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:52 PM
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82. Interesting how Hitler's "Christianity" is often ignored...
Removed from their textual and historical contexts, these kinds of passages project a startlingly violent and oppressive picture of Christianity that is completely at odds with the general perception of the religion in the West. Imagine, now, if these and other similar Biblical passages were accompanied almost exclusively with images of the Crusaders, the Inquisition, the Third Reich, the Ku Klux Klan, David Koresh, the Westboro Baptists, abortion clinic bombers, and many other Christian extremists. And also, what if, these images were mixed with talking points and a steady stream of sound bites laden with some of Adolf Hitler's hateful declarations:

"oday I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -- (Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Ch. 2)

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison." -- (Munich Speech, April 12, 1922)

With a lens fixated on these types of Christians, and coupled with an antagonistic, literal, and selective interpretation of the Bible, one would naturally develop a rather skewed impression of Christianity, no matter how fair and balanced the presentation would be purported to be.


Full article: http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/33820

Hitler and Christianity:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=hitler%27s+christianity&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t500&x=wrt

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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:37 AM
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65. Dupe
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 09:37 AM by India3
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:06 AM
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52. These would be my 10 Worst Books of all time
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 12:07 AM by Joe Bacon
1) Anything written by Ann Coulter (She always rerhashes the same shit)
2) The Conscience of A Conservative by Barry Goldwater (nice dreamland fantasy)
3) Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman (Milton ignores his beloved Chile's free market and fascist state)
4) The International Jew by Henry Ford (Absolute trash)
5) Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand (Joseph Schumpeter called this the most dangerous book ever written because it would undermine America. Dr Schumpeter was correct)
6) Listen, America by Jerry Falwell (ghost written by his gay buddy)
7) The Blue Book of the John Birch Society (Hey, they started the conspiracy shit)
8) Capitalism, Socialism and Freedom by Sidney Hook, paired with
9) Natural Rights and History by Leo Strauss (This and Hook's books incubated the filth called neoconservatism)
10) How Shall We Then Live?, by Francis Schaffer (The playbook that the Jesus Nuts used to seize power which ultimately leads to the collapse of the United States)
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 01:58 PM
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75. I think you Left something Behind... ahem
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:48 PM
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90. Damn...you're right
:hi:
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:32 PM
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48. "Atlas Shrugged", "The Fountainhead", "I Led Three Lives" . . .
You get the drift.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:23 PM
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5. and I thought mein kamph was the neoconservative manual.
other then that what is so dangerous about a book on what kinds of sex people have. or most of the others.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:24 PM
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37. LOL!!!! Neo-con manual! I love it!
Yes, you are correct! I do believe you are!

We should all hope and pray to the powers-that-be that all murderous lunatics would write books so we can get a clue as to how they think.

Some books have clearly outdated ways of thinking, but they are valuable nonetheless as tools to show how we once were.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:42 PM
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79. I thought it was 1984
instead of seeing it as a warning, they saw it and thought, "great idea!"
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:54 AM
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60. Why isn't "Silent Spring" on their list? It fits the theme.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 01:54 PM
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74. I saw that book on another list
There was another list of dangerous books by some con think-tank a year or two back, wasn't there? I swear Silent Spring was on that list. :eyes: I know I saw it in some rw list of "baaaaad" books because I remember thinking we'd all be extinct or dying of cancer if they had their way with the environment.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 02:39 PM
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76. Wow, now I know what the 10 next books I'm going to read. :) nt
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:20 PM
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2. Idiot Rightwingers!
Thanks for compiling the list. It will just make me want to read them more.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:22 PM
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4. The List, alone, pardon my pun.... speaks volumes!
What sentient, educated adult hasn't read at least MOST of these books??? Like you, I've read them all. So, what does that make us... dangerous people???

I've never seen a society so proud of ignorance as that of this moment in the US. It is something to be proud of... and, now, it makes you a safe citizen?

Ugh.

TC
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:26 PM
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9. gee, I still plan to read Marx in German, just for the challenge! nt
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:23 PM
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6. Kinsey? Darwin? Keynes? Freud? J.S. Mill?
Goosestepping morons like those who wrote this should try reading books instead of burning them.

Seriously...Keynes?...let's face it: They didn't like him because he was gay.
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eviltwin2525 Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:31 PM
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15. Love the art! my kind of Marxist-Lennonist radicalism
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:37 PM
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19. Thanks!
You're like the seventh to say it (and it feels better every time.)

I love them both (Groucho is one of the most quotable human beings to ever to walk the earth.) The pic is from a stamp from the Republic of Abkhazia.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:23 PM
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7. They left off "Harry Potter" and "The Age of Reason"
Or what about And Then There Were None by Agatha Christe. Everybody on the goddurned island died in that sucker. Talking about "harmful"!

(Oops, um, spoiler warning on the preceding sentences).
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:24 PM
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8. The site is hilariously strewn with ads for Ann Coulter's newest book
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:51 PM by LisaM
which make it appear to be the top book on the list.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:28 PM
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11. Well, I already burned some of her book
and used the rest to wipe my ass with.

LOL
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:27 PM
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10. Sir, I am the first to say -
The good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

But I'd read Hitler. And read it carefully.

The thing is - if we have any hope as a society to avoid the traps of history - we better understand the history to begin with.

I trust our society to come to appropriate conclusions, we better.

Joe

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:32 PM
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16. The neo-cons read from his playbook, you better read him
because they use his ideas on propaganda


"The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands..."
-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 180-181.

"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 184

"It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance... As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered."
-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 180-181
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:54 PM
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25. Oh, I have read Hitler. I listened to the speeches.
I calculated once my father killed about 1,100 Germans - the size of my high school graduation class. More or less.

And the older I got the more I thought, "Thanks Dad".

You know my father was there when Buchenwald was liberated - To those guys it was something they could hold onto, a justification for the things they had to do to win that war. They didn't didn't need any more justification to me.

Sometimes, rarely -you have to fight to do the right thing. Well, our parents did and they did so in the hope - Prayer - that maybe a few generations could know what war wasn't.

And then came W -

I swear - I can never forgive this "elective war"

How can it not be synonymous with elective amputation - because he surely "amputated" so many of our young people from the life they NEEDED to live.

Well, those reupblicans did learn to use propaganda - and I think we learned how to use a ballot box, too. We live in America, lets see who wins this one.

Joe



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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:28 PM
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13. They forgot to add collected works of John Kenneth Galbraith. nt.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:30 PM
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14. I'd bet their favorite list has the following:
that x-stian instruction manual, both ye olde testament, and gnu
anything by Ayn Rand
anything by William Buckley, prior to 1995
anything by Ann Coulter
anything by Biill O'Reilly
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loves_dulcinea Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:37 PM
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18. if they control the ideas
then they can control just about everything else. the list makes sense, except for nader's "unsafe". that one i don't get at all.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:45 PM
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80. unsafe because it called for safety regulations for business
and to them, that is bad - even though they all benefit from it as well.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:41 PM
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21. Those guys make it for the list of the top ten conservative idiots...
collectively

The Judges

These 15 scholars and public policy leaders served as judges in selecting the Ten Most Harmful Books.

Arnold Beichman
Research Fellow
Hoover Institution

Prof. Brad Birzer
Hillsdale College

Harry Crocker
Vice President & Executive Editor
Regnery Publishing, Inc.

Prof. Marshall DeRosa
Florida Atlantic University

Dr. Don Devine
Second Vice Chairman
American Conservative Union

Prof. Robert George
Princeton University

Prof. Paul Gottfried
Elizabethtown College

Prof. William Anthony Hay
Mississippi State University

Herb London
President
Hudson Institute

Prof. Mark Malvasi
Randolph-Macon College

Douglas Minson
Associate Rector
The Witherspoon Fellowships

Prof. Mark Molesky
Seton Hall University

Prof. Stephen Presser
Northwestern University

Phyllis Schlafly
President
Eagle Forum

Fred Smith
President
Competitive Enterprise Institute

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:46 PM
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22. All fine w/ me, though M. Mead's has been debunked.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:51 PM
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24. I think "The Wealth of Nations" was the most evil book ever wrote.
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nick303 Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:55 PM
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84. Evil?
I can agree that there are people who would misuse and caricature the ideas in it, but inherently evil?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:57 PM
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26. I also think it's interesting that there is NOTHING by
Niccolo Machiavelli on that list. He probably comes too close to their own belief system.

TC
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:03 PM
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83. A little before the 19th
century.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:58 PM
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27. WTF? They put Mein Kampf below the Communist Manifesto
Marx and Engles did not start the soviet union Lenin did.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:06 PM
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29. Didn't Ann Coulter write Mein Kampf? n/t
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:09 PM
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30. No Adolph Hitler wrote Mein Kampf... Ann wrote Mein Adam's Apple...
:rofl:

TC
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:16 PM
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33. That is funny.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:27 PM
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38. Thanks, now I have Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard
:rofl:
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:12 PM
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31. Gee, Iching,
I thought the Legge translation would be on it?
I have used the Wilhelm-Baines translation for 30 some odd ( some Very Odd) years
and it is much much better.

Although, I like R. L. Wing also.

What's your favorite flavor?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:32 PM
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40. Eranos translation although I grew up with Wilhelm-Baines translation
I think both have a certain flavor that I like but Eranos gave me that Yi was a world of images and possibilities,
not something that could be encompassed by a single perspective.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:42 PM
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42. 64 hexagrams x 6 lines x young x old
x 6 billion lives

Lots of possibilities!

I haven't seen the Eranos translation

I'll look for it
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:14 PM
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32. What about those "Left Behind" books?
Creepy.

TC
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:22 PM
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36. creepy indeed
I use read it and it is very creepy it is beyond me how regular christians get turned on by death and destruction.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:20 PM
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35. A fellow DUer was discouraging me from reading Mein Kampf
but may be I will now. I haven't read Darwin either though I even had a first edition copy of it once. I have read the Bible several times but that isn't on their list. I think it might be considered a dangerous book in the wrong hands. Didn't the RC church try to keep it from the laity for hundreds of years?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:38 PM
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41. Mein Kampf is a hard read
Hitler was so self-absorbed! Worth the effort.


Know thine enemy!
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:16 PM
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43. Oh, by all means read it.
The American version has a section writted by our own Henry Ford.

I think those bastards managed to kill almost every parish priest in Poland 42-45.

It is funny now - In a way,

I figure - about 1/3 of my mothers family died in camps then, just as my dad killed 1100 of those nazi bastards - at the same time. And mom was a nurse picking all the wounded up.

What a f*cked up world.

Joe
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:37 PM
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44. Half the parish priests.
I think Stalin took care of the remaining ones in the gulags.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:46 PM
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46. You could be right.
Stalin killed an awful lot of the Polish military officers.

You, we, look back on that war - I think - damn, those Poles were so brave.

They fought Panzers with horseback charges - God Damn - SO brave.

We shouldn't have abandoned them - I am ashamed we did.

They were a hell of a lot braver than the French.

Your point is very good.

Joe

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 10:42 PM
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49. The people who wrote this HAVE to be Straussians/Neocons
Books 5 and 8 on that list proves it, since Straussians beleived reality is something that is created, not something that is just there.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:08 PM
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50. Critias and The Thirty they would advocate for vs. Socrates
Yes it is very Straussian since "the prince" is not mentioned in their list.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:36 PM
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51. Their top ten favorites comes with free crayons.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 03:26 AM
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53. In other words, this is an outstanding reading list of very
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 03:27 AM by BullGooseLoony
important ideas.

With the exception of Hitler's book, of course.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:14 AM
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58. How so?
Hitler's book was certainly important in regards to its historical impact.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:43 PM
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67. I think I was using the word "important" in place of "valuable."
Hitler's ideas, while they certainly made a huge difference in the world, weren't good ones. They weren't even insightful.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:54 PM
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69. I disagree, he was insightful in the use of propaganda
Edited on Tue Aug-08-06 12:57 PM by IChing
which have been dangerously and being used by neo-cons.
Everything else was crap.
Dangerous book, yes, I think so, but I still wonder why The Prince at the same time was not on the list.
see my reply on #10 in regards to his use of propaganda.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:56 PM
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70. He, and his people, were skilled in the use of propaganda.
I don't think he wrote about it, though, did he?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 01:03 PM
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71. Read his quotes from his book in this thread. n/t
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:59 AM
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54. What's the matter, these aren't hateful and oppressive enough for them?
:eyes:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 06:20 AM
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57. I'd nominate that series of idiot "rapture" books - forget the name. nt
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:47 AM
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59. Marx is a NUT JOB!!!!!
I mean, this quote:

"...capitalists inevitably and amorally exploit labor by paying the cheapest possible wages to earn the greatest possible profits."



That would never happen. He was insane!!!! Idiot! Burn his books!!!!!

:silly:

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:56 AM
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61. I find it hard to believe that Neocons don't sleep with a copy of "Beyond
Good and Evil" under their pillows.
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:57 AM
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62. Leave it to conservatives...
Leave to conservatives to classify ANY book as "harmful". Douchebags.

I just love how they include the General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, by John Maynard Keynes. He has only been proven right for the past century...
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:03 AM
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63. You left out the last sentence about Keynes...
"The book is a recipe for ever-expanding government. When the business cycle threatens a contraction of industry, and thus of jobs, he argued, the government should run up deficits, borrowing and spending money to spur economic activity. FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt."
Gee, I guess conservatives had nothing to do with that deficit. These people are truly delusional.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:08 PM
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66. The only book I agree with in there
might be Mein Kampf.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 12:47 PM
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68. The rightwing nuts HATE Kinsey because he told the truth about sex. NT
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SPCAworks Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 01:25 PM
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72. how about
dr laura's "ten stupid things" women do to screw up their lives?

that book probably cost me 10 rolls in the back seat in college.
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Spinoza Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 01:46 PM
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73. I could probably agree with
1,2 3,and 6. Ambiguous about #9. The rest are ridiculous.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 03:23 PM
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77. LOL! John Dewey -- oh please. The man was way far ahead
of his time. "His views . . . helped nurture the Clinton generation." OMG, stick Clinton in there. Just for good measure! The anti-intellectual paranoia is this country is simply staggering. Bring me my 48 oz. Big Gulp and make it snappy!
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:29 PM
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78. The Pet Goat
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:06 PM
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86. Pay the man!
:rofl:
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 04:50 PM
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81. aren't these the same people who claim guns don't hurt people?
I am not anti-gun in the least (well, I am fine with more strict regulations and education but they should not be outlawed), but here they are claiming an object, not the person using it, is dangerous.

books don't hurt people. people hurt people.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:05 AM
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91. never thought of that
excellent point.
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:56 PM
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85. seems they forgot,
"The Factor For Kids"
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:07 PM
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87. What? No "Catcher In The Rye"?
Well, color me disappointed!
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Baselinereality Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:19 PM
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88. Thanks For The FANTASTIC Reading List!!
And I was wondering what I was going to occupy my mind with during the dog days of summer.

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Baselinereality Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:20 PM
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89. I'm Surprised "Heather Has Two Mommies" Didn't Make It n/t
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:18 PM
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92. Almost worse are the books
on the opposite side of the coin; http://www.humanevents.com/sarticle.php?id=15003
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Top 10 Books Liberals Would Like to Burn

10. "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" by Mark Twain

An American classic that has long been the subject of attacks by the politically correct. Banned from many libraries, and challenged in many more, for its use of the crude vernacular in dialogue.

9. "Treason" by Ann Coulter

A cold, hard look at liberals’ “patriotism” in which one of the right’s most articulate pudits re-examines the left’s history of “striking a position on the side of treason.” Offers a defense of the left’s favorite boogeyman, Sen. Joe McCarthy, and a reminder that it was the Democratic Party that excused communism.

8. "Slouching Towards Gomorrah" by Robert H. Bork

From the original victim of judicial “Borking.” Details the depths to which American culture has fallen and what it means. Hated for its reliance upon absolute truth, understanding of good and evil and recognition that modern liberalism is the root of America’s decline. Warns that “a nation’s moral life is the foundation of its culture.”

7. "Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation" by Ronald Reagan

The first book ever published by a President in office. Details Reagan’s view on the sanctity of life, why abortion is not a right, and why the Supreme Court was wrong in its Roe v. Wade decision, comparing it to the Dred Scott decision for its denying “the value of certain human lives.” Is an invaluable example of moral leadership.

6. "Losing Ground" by Charles Murray

Co-author of "The Bell Curve" blasts the social programs of the Great Society for their deleterious effects on America’s poor and minorities. Had a major influence in the fights for welfare reform in the mid-1990s.

5. "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis

Adapted from a 1943 series of radio lectures from a leading Oxford scholar during a time when society was faced with a global war, is considered one of the truly classic works in Christian apologetics. Provides a reasoned argument for the Christian religion, based on man’s free will and a God of justice, grace and mercy.

4. "Wealth and Poverty" by George Gilder

Self-described as “America’s number-one antifeminist,” Gilder offers an examination of why supply-side economics will best increase wealth and decrease poverty. Argues that the welfare state keeps the poor from achieving success by creating a welfare dependency and harms society by diminishing the role of fathers.

3. "The Road to Serfdom" by Friedrich von Hayek

Based on the idea that all “collectivist societies”—socialist, National Socialist, Communist, et al—have the same roots and lead to the same place: tyranny. Details how giving “central planning” authority to the government reduces economic freedom of individuals and results in disaster.

2. "Witness" by Whitaker Chambers

Autobiography of an ex-Communist who was the key player in the Chambers-Hiss case, known as the “trial of the century.” Tells how Chambers worked with then-Rep. Richard Nixon (R-Calif.) to expose Alger Hiss, a top State Department official who was also a member of the Communist Party and a Soviet spy. Confirmed by The Mitrokhin Archive. Left has never forgiven Chambers for taking down Hiss.

1. Bible by God

The central work of Western Civilization, defines the relationship between God and man and is the foundation of faith in the Judeo-Christian tradition. Liberal groups, like the American Civil Liberties Union and People for the American Way, have sued to keep it out of government buildings, schools and public discourse.

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Funnily enough Mark Twain was about as liberal as can be, an anti-war agitator.

I wouldn't burn a one of them. They are far from literature and can only appeal to idiots.
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