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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:37 PM
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Anti-War and McGovern in 1972
I have a theory as to why George McGovern lost so badly in 1972.
By this time, America had solidly turned against the Vietnam War and Nixon made a promise of peace (even though the war did not end until 1975). Since the Great Depression, the Democratic Party had been the major political force nationally. While it was Secretary of State John Foster Dulles who began America's involvement in Vietnam, it was a Democrat, Lyndon Johnson who escalated our involvement. Johnson, therefore and rightfully took most of the blame for what transpired. Americans saw the Democratic party as the ones who got us involved in such a horrific conflict, not the Republicans. Even though McGovern is a good man and Anti-Vietnam War, there was a sutble but widespread distrust of the Democrats ability to be President, that is they got us into the war and screwed it up, therefore we shouldn't vote them back into power. The GOP was able to build an alternative approach for our National Security Policy. That distrust cost McGovern the 1972 election.

In 2006, we have a similar situation in the middle east, but this time, it is the Republicans who got us into this mess. This time around, it is the GOP who is not trusted. We Democrats must build a new approach to our national security policy if we want to win. The door has been opened. This is the last issue that we must reclaim in order become the party of the majority once again.

Please consider this.

-Thank You
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:43 PM
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1. I agree, and Nixon was sold to the American people
I think that he was the first media makeover prez and then there was the fact that he had
served under Eisenhower; people liked "Ike" and part of that stuck on Nixon, the same
way with George H. Bush, I don't think he would have been elected if he had not served
under Ron Reagan.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:47 PM
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2. i remember that so well. i sat there on election night shocked.
McGovern didn't even win his own state.
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fencesitter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:01 PM
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3. I remember they portrayed McGovern as a loony leftist..
out of touch with middle America, candidate of the long haired, pot smoking, hippie love peace crowd. I was too young to vote then, but I remember that distinctly. That is what I fear will become of Lamont.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:20 PM
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4. Well, I was a long-haired, pot-smoking, hippie.
And I voted for McGovern. And I was right.
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fencesitter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:22 PM
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5. see?
I woulda voted for him too.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:55 PM
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7. Well I was a short haired, scotch drinking straight and I voted
for him and we were both right.
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theanarch Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:17 PM
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6. my own take is a little different:
yes, a majority of american's were "anti-war", but an even greater majority were "anti-anti-war"; the media did sell a distorted image of McGovern to the public as the leader of young people who freaked the living shit out of middle america--all that sex, drugs, rock&roll, and the revolution (the four horsemen of america's apocylpse). Also, by late 1972, US troop levels in Vietnam were below 50,000, and they were doing little more than guarding their own bases; for all practical purposes, most voters thought the war (from a strictly american perspective) WAS over; and the draft had practically cease to operate as well. In this sense, McGovern's anti-war candidacy seemed quite irrelevant.

on the other hand, i know for a fact that McGovern's poor showing in states was directly due to the open and overt hostility of state Democratic parties (especially among labor unions) towards the anti-war movement, and politicians who supported, or were identified with, them.

personally, i spent most of that year ('72) working for McGovern (six primaries and the general election); and cast my first presidential vote for Barry Commoner (People's Party). It is also a matter of fact that, as a demographic, a higher pecentage of 18-24 year old's voted for Nixon than any other age group...so much for the "children of the sixties", eh?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:59 PM
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8. An uncle of mine, now long dead, bolted from Democratic ranks
to support Nixon in 1972.

I was appalled, but he wasn't the only Democrat who rejected McGovern's candidacy across the land.

His reason for bolting: "'Cuz that McGovern's for the hippies."

I knew that wasn't the essence of the McGovern campaign, but there was no cutting through that bias.

The nation's voters made a titanic error in judgment that November. And a few months afterward, the first indictments began to roll down like the first few bushes in a tumbleweed storm.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:16 PM
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9. That is the big difference between now and then
By 1972 the whole hippie thing had lost its charm. Drugs were everywhere. At the time, you could go on any college campus and people were openly getting high. Unfortunately, too many people took too many drugs and it got out of control. Things got ugly.

So here we are 30+ years later, a lot older and wiser. Instead of drugs, we're addicted to the Internet and we're starting to make a difference. The country and the world is ready for a change and we're the ones that are ready to make it happen.



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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:25 PM
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10. Former "hippies" are often the kindest, gentlest souls, and many are
registered Democrats.

Drugs notwithstanding, this uncle of mine didn't like the blue jeans and the beads and the long hair. (It didn't take much to upset him!)

I like that new time energy you mention -- and the change is happening right before our eyes. What an exciting primary race that was in Connecticut last night.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:22 PM
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11. Eagleton selection and aftermath killed any momentum
McGovern had. Plus old line Democrats worked against him.

Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972 by Hunter S. Thompson, great read!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:33 PM
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12. Have you seen "One Bright Shining Moment"?
It offers some very good insight to what happened in 1972. Make sure to watch the "Special Features" on the DVD if you decide to watch it.

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:40 PM
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17. one great movie -- thanks for mentioning it
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:10 PM
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13. Nice post and observations.
I was a McGovern volunteer in New York in '72.

Richard Nixon's dirty tricks and criminal campaign against McGovern along with the corporate media doing to him what they did to Howard Dean in 2004 also took its toll.

George McGovern would have made one of the finest presidents in our nation's history.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:33 PM
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14. In the fall of 72, I went to a Mc Govern rally in Chicago.
The Chicago machine took a walk. The crowd was 80% college students. McGovern was perceived as an Abbie Hoffman with suit and tie. He never had a chance and he was a good man.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:44 PM
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15. Yeah, and Nixon had his "secret plan" to end the war.
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 09:45 PM by MnFats
and the first step was to conspire with Henry Kissinger to sabotage talks in Paris between the JOhnson Administration and the North Vietnamese. (Look it up. they really did that.)
Nixon refused to release his 'secret plan,' he said in public, because it could effect the paris talks. The lying son of a bitch.

then we found out after he's elected that his 'secret plan' involved bombing the living fuck out of North Vietnam. Anyone remember Bach Mai HOspital?


can you imagine anyone running on a 'secret plan' to do anything? Oh, yeah, well....OK.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:29 PM
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16. Democratic Party elites also put the knife in McGovern's back
When the McGovern campaign was surging in April 1972 - Time Magazine ran a front state story called, "The Prairie Populist". The article was upbeat and filled with stories about how ordinary people from all walks of life were dropping what they were doing to give all their time and effort for the voice of compassion from the heartland.

A few months later he was being called the candidate of "amnesty, acid and abortion." Who was spreading this? Unfortunately many of the party elites simply were not going to let the grassroots campaign of the prairie populist to win. They were determined to stop it no matter how much it hurt the party. Even when he became the nominee apparent and had already won enough delegates for a first ballot victory, they kept their lies and venom up until the very last minute on the convention floor.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:05 AM
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18. Unfortunately, there were a lot of troubles with the McGovern campaign...
...some self-inflicted, some not.

-- When McGovern came out on top in the winner-take-all California primary, thus locking up the nomination, his opponents (primarily Humphrey and Muskie) got their allies at the top of the California party to change the rules after the fact and award the delegates by proportional representation instead, thus leaving McGovern slightly short and raising the possibility of his opponents uniting behind a compromise candidate and defeating him at the convention. (The fact that, before the primary, the McGovern campaign had moved that California change to proportional representation and the very same opponents had blocked it was not lost on observers.) In any event, California sent two slates of delegates to the convention, and the first night was basically a massive floor fight over which would be seated. McGovern's side prevailed in a close floor vote, but the general impression for television viewers was that the Democratic Party was in disarray.

-- This was amplified by various other controversies that followed. In the days when many states simply had the party bosses select delegates to convention, bypassing the result of primaries or caucuses, several states had packed their delegations with old-guard, pro-war pols. In Illinois (and I believe one other state) civil-rights activists likewise brought their own slates based on primary results, and demanded similar floor votes. They prevailed in Illinois, thus kicking powerful machine delegates like Mayor Daley out of the convention. Those ousted broke from the party and either sat out the November election or switched sides and worked for the Republicans. Most damaging, the entrenched leadership of the AFL-CIO took the latter path, vowing to come back only when the "McGovern radicals" had been purged from the Democratic Party. (This was really the beginning of the end for organized labor as a political force in this country.)

-- On the final night of the convention, incredibly poor management by the McGovern team allowed several dozen alternative VP candidates to be nominated, with the result that McGovern didn't get a chance to deliver his (very good, BTW) acceptance speech until after midnight on the east coast. This was a major problem -- unlike today, news sources were very limited, and many people knew little of McGovern himself at that point. However, most adults watched the conventions, and this would have been the best chance for McGovern to present himself in a positive light. However, by the time he got that chance, most of America had switched off the set and gone to bed.

-- The whole Eagleton fiasco. I don't know what I can add to this, but it essentially sapped every possible bit of momentum the campaign could have accumulated. It basically filled almost every news cycle between the end of the Democratic convention and the stage-managed "four more years!" Republican event.

-- The Republicans successfully exploited the "culture war." Beginning in 1970, they had demonized "young people" as being traitors to America, and spread fear of blacks (under the guise of "law and order") in the years before that. Now, they bundled those together with other aspects of social change (primarily reproductive rights) to portray the Democrats as the party of "acid, abortion, and amnesty" as opposed to their upholding of "Middle-American values" (the predecessor of "traditional family values"). As one other poster remarked, by that point, the '60s counterculture had lost its sheen, and generated a negative reaction in vast numbers of voters.

-- However, I think the main feeling was that McGovern was fighting a battle that was already over. As I just mentioned, the counterculture was thought of as a thing of the past, and "Vietnamization" had gotten far enough along that it seemed America's involvement in Vietnam would be over soon no matter who won (as, indeed, it was -- American combat involvement ended two months after the election). The draft was ending, so young men didn't have to fear being sent off to war against their will. And, with Nixon having made overtures to China, and established the first steps of "detente" with the Soviets, it hardly seemed that the choice was between an anti-war Democrat and a warmongering Republican making the situation worse. And the economy was going along fine, with the first oil shocks another year away. I think most people felt like things were "under control" enough that there was no sense in shaking up the status quo just for the sake of change -- especially when they hadn't seen enough of McGovern's positives to justify trusting him with the country.

Now, all those are rational reasons why so many voters would choose Nixon that November. However, to speak from a personal viewpoint, however solid some reasons may have been for "staying the course," the damage that election did to America is incalculable. For progressives, it was really the last chance we've had to move our nation along toward a goal of making it better and truer to its ideals than it was. Even though Nixon was to be brought down by Watergate, that missed chance has yet to be regained. It seems like every election since then has been a rear-guard action, trying to repair the damages inflicted upon our country by yet another group of conservatives. To repair the damages, yes, but never to take us back to the time before those damages occured.

Ironically, the theme of McGovern's wonderful, little-heard acceptance speech was "Come Home, America." We're still waiting. And it seems, every year, we're further and further away from home.

:-(

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