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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:35 AM
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A nation of suspects
Good, quiet police work pays off big in the strategy to counter terrorism. And to be sure, terrorism, worldwide, is a part of life.

Since the tactic roared forth, we have all wanted effective deterrence. No one except the hard core supporters of extremism want them to succeed. The 'with us or with them' meme is bankrupt. It was never operative, except as jingoistic sloganeering.

So what has been the evolution? What has been the solution? What has been the result? What has been the success rate? What has been the fallout? And what has become of *us* - the innocent, uninvolved, but incredibly affected citizenry?

Well ...... apart from the honest police work done by annonymous law enforcement people across the country, there has been a federal overlay put in place by the rfegime that wishes to totally control us all. The result? We've become a nation of suspects.

Have you entered an office building lately? In many cases (and almost always here in the DC/Baltimore area) you need to show an ID and sign a log.

Have you tried to open a bank account? You now need two forms of 'government' IDs.

Need a library card? A drivers license? Cable teevee service?

In each case, even when the people with whom you deal have known you for years - maybe even been to your house - you need to prove who you are.

When you place a cell phone call, an entry is made in a government database. It is probable the actual call is recorded. Your location during that call is noted in the same database.

When your land line phone rings, that transaction, too, is duly noted.

That debit card that's so convenient is also a wealth of information for those who suspect you of a crime. Ladies, they know when you menstruate. That purchase of super absorbent tampons and the overnight pads allow them to know your monthly cycle.

Guys, they know not only that you enjoy watching porn, but they can deduce your sexual proclivities. They know if you're a top or a bottom. Erectile dysfunction? Ha! Don't ask. Its part of your psychological profile, buddy. How soon until you're dragged in for questioning when a person is found brutally murdered in a way that matches your porn preferences?

Airport security is on our minds of late given the activities in the UK. But ever since the Bushpublicans have been in charge, you've been suspected before the fact of plotting a crime. Your travel habits have been cross checked with that other data. They know you. You've long been forced to surrender property before you fly. You've long been restricted in what you can carry. In some cases, you've been deemed such a great risk to the country that you're prohibited from peeing for 30 minutes prior to arrival at your destination.

When they riffle through your personal belongings, latex gloved hands touch your property. They use rubber tipped wooden rods to poke and prod your belongings. You need to prove your laptop is, in fact, a functioning laptop. Same with your IPod. Same with your cell phone. Same with your little kid's GameBoy. Yes, even your children are suspects.

And how soon until we start to undergo body cavity searches? Not too long, I suspect. I've no doubt the real bad guys have studied the drug mules of yore. A little C4 in a swallowed condom, with a trigger that reacts to the turning off of the seat belt sign and its done. They need only claim to have busted such a 'plot' and you will be linked to it. In order to fly, you'll need to be checked for the possibility that you're the bad guy. As a suspect, you'll have to undergo the indignity of a latex gloved digit poking into you sphincter. Will they at least use some KY?

We are a nation of suspects.

For all these suspects, the success rate has been pretty damned pitiful. How many plots have been uncovered as a result of such surveillance? One? Ten? Out of, literally, millions upon tens of millions, upon hundreds of millions of individual acts of surveillance and intrusion.

And yet you're still a suspect. One of three hundred million such suspects.

And it would seem that very few of us mind.
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RoseMead Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:43 AM
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1. They see you when you're sleeping
They know when you're awake. So be good, for goodness sake.


Constant suspicion keeps the nation afraid. It also stokes the self-righteousness of those who assume they have nothing to worry about because they aren't "doing anything wrong." Far from just not minding, I believe many in this country welcome it, because it makes them feel like they're better than everyone else.

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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:43 AM
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2. Kick and recommend.
Well put, Husb2Sparkly!
:kick:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:44 AM
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3. Second that...
very well done... k'd and r'd
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:46 AM
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:00 AM
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5. Yet we have McVeigh and Kajzinski
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 11:02 AM by Zodiak Ironfist
Both brought down by directed police work, not sweeping loss of civil liberties or racial profiling.

The only heavy profiling I want going on is good police work. Look for people acting suspicious (not make EVERYONE a suspect), surveil them, bust them when they make a move. Simple, and it works when it is applied (like this plot in London, or Boijinka, or the Millenium plot).

It was not applied on 9/11.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:58 AM
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8. Welcome to DU
You know, we don't need 'heavy profiling'. I don't think there's much chance at all of breaking up a plot 'in the nick of time' through, say, an airport search. Might we prevent some other malfeasance? Maybe. But the real results come from what happened in the UK.

Good, competent, steadfast police work. That kind of work follows facts and leads.

If anything, profiling would be overly broad or, even worse, erroneously focused. Imagine that we focus on people with Pakistani heritage. And the bad guys turn out to be Chechyans. If we were looking hard only at ethnicity, these guys could do anything they want.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:58 PM
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9. For me, I was thinking of heavy profiling
as being good police work.

Bad heavy profile = People from Pakistan named "Mohammad"

Good heavy profile = Person known to have been seen casing out various government buildings, posting crazy internet messages (that got reported), buying explosive-making materials in high quantities, and renting a truck.

I suppose I see profiling as a broad term and racial profiling as a narrow term.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:08 PM
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10. Fair enough ..... and I don't disagree.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:56 PM
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14. Geeeeze ..... that was fast
I bet his handler's pissed ......
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:09 AM
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6. Great piece of writing!
And sadly, it's all so true ...

:kick: and Recommended!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:32 PM
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13. Oh Sweet Goddess of Great Writing .......
Thank you! I'm humbled.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:20 AM
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7. Well said - K & R n/t
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:09 PM
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11. I for one mind...
I for one am livid about this bullshit. Fuck you Agent Mike. While we are the suspects, this maladministration is literally getting away with war crimes, crimes against humanity, and according to Rep. Conyer's recent report, 26 laws that have been shamelessly violated in persuit of what? It sure isn't security for americans. It sure isn't the defense of our rights.

Every time I get in the fuck it all mood you come up with a post like this and remind me I am not alone. IIRC, we live within about 50 miles of each other. We should go have a scotch (or 6)together sometime H2S, I'll bring the McClellan, you bring Sparkly if she wishes.

Thanks, Bro.
-Hoot
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:23 PM
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12. Yeah, Hoot .... just a short ride down 70 .........
.... and you're sure not alone.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:13 PM
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15. We should do it sometime.
Are those fish in your avatar? I got mine in '81 on the John Adams.

-Hoot
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