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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:17 AM
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Would Lieberman's actions be legal in all 50 states?
Do any states have a law that if you lose a major party primary, then you can't be on the ballot for that office in that year's general election?
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:20 AM
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1. OH, I think has a "sore loser" law
It came up as an issue over Ney's hand picked replacement.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:48 AM
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6. It was actually a Repub creation (in Ohio) to mess with Strickland.
Strickland wasn't sure whether to run for Governor or his then-current seat. Republicans in Ohio passed legislation that made it impossible for him to run for both.

Now, it's come back to bite them in the ass with this Ney issue.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:48 AM
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26. It is enforced only if the candidate is a Democrat
Attorney General Petro says his former running mate Joy Padgett can run in the 18th congressional district. She and Petro lost to Blackwell in the primary race for governor. Click that link below and donate a little something to Zack Space.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:24 AM
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2. You can't do it in Texas
You have to file to be in a primary OR declare intent to run as an independent early in January.
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S_B_Jackson Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:48 AM
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7. Actually, you can do it in Texas. It's unlikely, but legal.
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 09:49 AM by S_B_Jackson
Primaries were on March 7. So if a Texas candidate lost, he/she would have until the May 11th deadline to collect 45,540 signatures from registered voters who did not vote in either party's primary. Admittedly, 2 months is not a lot of time to collect that many signatures - but I guess that it possible
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 12:55 PM
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15. No, you can't
You can't petition to be on the ballot as an independent unless yuou had previously filed your declaration of intent in January. So, for example, when Carole Fournames realized last summer that she was unlikely to beat Governor Goodhair in the primary, she dropped out of that race so she could file and petition as an independent.
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:30 AM
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3. Hopefully, national attention will bring "sore loserman" laws
nationwide.
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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:38 AM
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4. Hmm ...
My initial thought was something on the line of "in a democracy anyone can run, dang it" ... but the idea that you would have to file your papers early enough so that you couldnt double dip is attractive and would circumvent this entire Lieberman Syndrome.
I like the idea.
I like it but maybe I'm just too biased to see a downside.
Anyone?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:30 AM
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9. A supporter of Lieberman might say that because
...he's ahead in the polls, the people of CT should be able to elect him.

That isn't my position, but I can understand that position.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:36 PM
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18. They'd be using circular logic, though.
If loser lieberman (man, I love the sound of that) wasn't able to run as an indie, there would be no polls indicating he had any standing, because he wouldn't be in the race and thus wouldn't be part of the poll.

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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:48 AM
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5. you'd think that lieberman would recognize
the voice of the people, which has been heard loud and clear by all except the busheviltwin lie berman. Guess that voting has no place in his thoughts, only his own imagined granduer over all, divine right, better than the rest of us bullshit.
Take a hike you sore looser. idiot
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:56 AM
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8. Yes in some, no in others
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:44 AM
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10. Is it really surprising that Holy Joe did this?
Remember that he ran for Senate AND Vice President at the same time in 2000. Which is probably illegal in many states, or should be. It's one thing to hold a Senate seat if it's not the year you are up for re-election - as John Kerry did - but entirely something else to actually run for both offices (which John Edwards recognized, though he might have been required by NC law to do so. I honestly don't know and don't have time to look it up at the moment)

Had Joe been allowed to take his elected office in 2000, then a Republican governor would have appointed a replacement senator, who then would have served an entire 6 year term. It was irresponsible of Joe to put a Democratic senate seat in jeopardy then, just as it is now, by his refusal to accept his defeat last Tuesday.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:46 AM
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11. "Which is probably illegal in many states, or should be"
LOL!
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 12:49 PM
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13. Well, instead of laughing, Mr. know it all....
Why don't you look it up in Mr From's database, since that's where you get most of your information.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 12:51 PM
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14. No, I think I'll just continue laughing at the clueless.....
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:22 PM
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21. Ummm...it IS illegal in many states.
Ohio being one of them.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:30 PM
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22. Keep in mind you are dealing with someone who though
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:35 AM
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24. Probably. Or it should be (snicker)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:40 PM
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28. Was that reply intentionally nonsensical?
...or are there medical issues we should be aware of?
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:03 PM
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16. How is it irresponsible?
If he had resigned from the Senate to run only for VP, wouldn't the same governor have appointed his replacement? How would the results have been materially different?

By not resigning, he ensured that his seat would remain Democratic in the event that he didn't make it to the office of Vice President.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:47 PM
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19. If Lieberman didn't seek his Senate seat in 2000, then
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 01:48 PM by Eric J in MN
...another Democrat would be in that seat right now.

Lieberman prevented another Democrat from running in 2000.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:31 PM
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23. Most folks either forgot that fact, or never knew it.
He also stirred up a bunch of crap to cause infighting in 00 among prospective running mates of Al Gore.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 01:35 PM
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17. If you thought that Senator X was an incredibly good Senator,
would you think it should be allowed. I saw no conflict in 2000, and the idea that people in CT could vote for him for both seemed ok. In fact, had Gore been innaugerated as well as elected - this might have lost a Democratic Senate seat, which could happen with a Senator not up for election. (MA changed the law over Romney's veto - so there would be a special election if Kerry won.)

If a Senator was sufficiently well liked in his home state that he could win his seat without much home state campaigning - I don't see the problem. I wish MA allowed this - as I think Kerry is an excellent Senator and his seat is up in 2008. He will have to choose. (I doubt they will change the law for him on this - the change last time benefited the whole Democratic party - this change would benefit Kerry. There hasn't been an open Democratic nomination for Senator since 1984 - when Kerry won in an upset to get it.)
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theanarch Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 12:43 PM
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12. he couldn't do this in NJ...
...petitions for independents have to be submitted no later than the day of the primaries, and one cannot file multiple petitions. Although it is possible to run for multiple offices, e.g., one can be a state legislator or hold a municipal/county office and be a member of congress. Again, laws vary from state to state.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 02:59 PM
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20. Wyoming has a Sore Loserman law
which prohibits running in the general after losing the primary. A surprising factoid I just learned about my new home state.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:47 AM
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25. I'm told it's not allowed in Maine
I haven't looked it up myself though.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:12 PM
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27. I don't think he could have done this in Minnesota because
filings for public office close well before the September primary.
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