Are those "Democrats" that plan on voting for Lieberman "traitors" ...

[kentuck]

to the Party if they vote for an Independent over the Democrat? We are talking about a great larger percentage of voters than voted for Ralph Nader in Florida? Would you consider these Connecticut voters "good Democrats" or something else? What is the potential for dividing the Democratic Party - not just in Connecticut but nationwide - with this Independent run by Lieberman?

[MrModerate]

1. Misguided n/t

[atreides1]

3. I agree

N/T

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. No, just stupid.

[sgxnk]

4. elitism 101

par for the course among ideologues

different political views = "stupid"

meme #1

[boolean]

8. I agree!!!!

George W. Bush is the GREATEST president ever!

I have a different political view! Don't call me stupid!

[sgxnk]

21. nice strawman

it is an infantile (yet common) elitism that those that disagree with one politically are either

1) evil
2) stupid/misinformed

the reality is that there are some people who are (1) or (2) in all political camps

it is also true that there are good people, and intelligent people who have different views from you.

that's the adult way of looking at it. but u can return to the infantile and empirically false version if it makes u feel superior to others

[boolean]

25. For christ's sake...

Well I guess we should respect the views of all those warmongering gay bashing conservative asshats then.

The fact of the matter is the 33% or so of bush apologists ARE stupid. I guess that makes me an elitist.

[sgxnk]

26. again, a strawman

i didn't say you should respect their views

i said that just cause somebody has different views does not mean they are stupid

i could make a comment about reading comprehension and intellect, but that would be snarky :)

[The_Casual_Observer]

16. It's got nothing to do with political views. It's got to do with his

actual voting record & how those votes have translated into real tangible human suffering & loss.

It would be stupid to support him.

[Cha]

31. Stupid Traitors!

I give no quarter.

[invictus]

5. Lieberman is a Republican-backed agent.

Any Democrat who supports Lieberman is confused.

[EST]

6. Hardly traitors, but defititely short sighted.

[dolstein]

7. you're only a traitor if your vote puts the seat in Republican hands

Lieberman is a registered Democrat, has held his seat for 18 years as a Democrat, and has pledged to remain a Democrat and be a member of the Democratic caucus. He's pretty good at keeping his pledges. After all, he kept his pledge to run in the general election regardless of the outcome of the primary.

Most significantly, Lieberman votes like a Democrat on issues other than Iraq. Unlike Chafee, who is clearly out of step with his own party on a wide range of issues, Lieberman votes like a conventional Democrat on domestic issues. Any criticism of Lieberman's votes on domestic issues really ought to be directed to the Democratic caucus generally, as Lieberman's record is far more representative than people around here pretend.

Of course, none of this will to anything to slow down the efforts of many misguided Democrats to drive Lieberman out of the party even if he's reelected. They would prefer to force Lieberman to caucus with the Republicans, even if it means the Republicans keep control of the Senate. Talk about shortsighted.

[MessiahRp]

14. Well since the GOP is campaigning for him

RSCC, Mehlmen and Bush are all for him... he's taking Rove's calls... and yes he has come out and told others to respect the will of the voters when he himself does not...

I sure trust the guy. No chance at all he will caucus with Republicans.... :eyes:

SCREW THAT.

Voting for Lieberman is voting Republican. Vote Lamont or you're voting for Bush.

Rp

[kentuck]

23. And all issues do not have the same weight...

Those that argue that Joe votes "Democratic" 90% of the time pretend that his Democratic votes outweigh his Republican votes 9 to 1. But that is a faulty argument because all issues do not have the same weight. A vote to create a commission to investigate air pollution does not carry the same weight as a vote to go to war and to stay at war - even after you found out you were lied to. A vote not to censor George W Bush is not the same weight as a vote to create a fish-free zone in the North Atlantic. And when you lend moral support to school vouchers and Social Security privatization plans and say that women that are raped "can go to another hospital", that's hardly the make-up of a "conventional" Democrat...Yes, we need to educate alright. We need to educate people about what Joe Lieberman really stands for...

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[TechBear_Seattle]

9. If I am a "traitor" for sometimes voting Green, then yes

Any Democrat who votes for Lieberman is a traitor to their party and should be treated as such. No exceptions.

[anniebelle]

10. They need to change parties.

I'm just sayin'. It's no wonder the Democrats are coming up on the short end of the stick. I sent a letter to the DSCC and to Mary Landrieux about her position. Go join the Republican party if you want Republican values to rule this country.:mad:

[Horse with no Name]

11. "Democrats" that vote for Lieberman

are simply Republicans that don't want to smear themselves with the slime that oozes from that party.
So they call themselves Dems to make themselves feel better, but in actuality they are just Republicans.

[rubberducky]

12. Not traitors, but........

definitely misguided. If you are truely commited to taking congress back , I would think your heart would vote dem. Lieberman has shown me that he doesn`t care what "the people" think, because only he knows best. I have heard him say as much. That is why I could NEVER support him. Our congresspeople work for US. It`s past time to remind them of this.

[depakid]

13. Closet Republicans

and who vote with Republicans. The party needs to discipline and dump them.

[Larkspur]

15. Democrats who vote for Lieberman are voting for a Republican majority

Lieberman's GOTV effort is to get out the Republican vote, which hurts the 3 Congressional Democrats. Lieberman will sacrifice Democratic chances to retake the House and Senate for his own selfish desire to keep his seat.

[Hoosier Dem]

17. I hate using the word "Traitor"

It's just such an ugly word. I would say that those Dems in CT who are supporting LIEberman fall into two categories:

1. The uninformed. Those who say "I've voted for Joe before and he's a good guy. I'll vote for him again.

2. The fearful. Those who, for whatever reason, have been suckered into Holy Joe's/ KKKarl's crap that "Only LIEberman can save CT from terrorists with shampoo bottles!!"

Our job is not to rip them, but to educate these people.

[enough already]

18. Complete TRAITORS

They aren't Democrats at all and they need to pay for being traitors.

[nealmhughes]

19. No, they aren't traitors. They are enablers.

With the Green Party shenanigans in the presidential election prior to the Bushzeit, the current attempt to keep Little Ricky as the supposed senator from Pennsylvania(Virginia?) I see it in much the same light. To take the party in the direction progressives think it should and ought to be, the enablers must be brought to light and voted out. Donna Brazile should leave the Sunday morning shows and go be a teacher at a LA publcic school as far as I am concerned. Dennis and General Clark should get the air time. Hillary should be taken to the woodshed and made to wear which ever cloak is permanent, not blowing in the winds of focus groups' and advisors' will-nilly tempest.

What kind of Ned Lamont make? I have no idea, but I do know that if negates his stance on Iraq, then he will have had the loneliest six years of his life in Washington and Connecticut.

Just wait until the US gets the print US version of The Guardian...then things will REALLY get interesting for the realignment/retaking of OUR PARTY...

My greatest wish in life is that The Guardian would start a TV network and have Bill Moyers and Greg Palast and Amy Goodman as the newswriters/readers/producers...then all would be well with the world...

[Lerkfish]

20. It would make Lieberman a traitor

Only the politican himself can be a traitor, since he is supposed to REPRESENT a party. A voter can choose whom they will

[Totally Committed]

22. Were the Democrats who voted for Nader traitors?

If you answer that "YES", then the Lieberman voters are the same. If you answered "NO", then the Lieberman voters are not. You can't call Democrats who defected to vote for Ralph "traitors" without doing the same for Joe's Schmoes. Joe is now as much of a Democrat as Ralph is.

TC

[kentuck]

24. One slight difference...

Nader was supporting mostly Democratic positions - not Republican ones...

[Totally Committed]

27. Even more of a reason to be fair about this...

If you think Nader is a traitor, then Joe is, too. If not, Lieberman's not. Let's call a spade a spade.

Both of these men are egomaniacs bent on forcing their will on this country's electoral system.

TC

[Solon]

30. Actually, not to defend Nader here, but its not really the same thing...

To be a traitor, you actually had to have been a member at one point. As far as I'm aware of Nader has never really been a Democrat, nor a Republican, so for him to run as a third party is just that, running on a 3rd party ticket. No betrayal is necessary there. Lieberman, on the other hand, STILL claims to be a Democrat while running against the Democratic nominee, this is what makes him a traitor.

[Jersey Devil]

29. No, not traitors and some are not even Democrats

There are lots of people who register with a party for reasons other than their agreement with the political party's positions and platform. Joe Blow may register as a Democrat to vote in a primary for town council for his neighbor. John Doe may register as a Democrat because it will help his kid get a summer job with the mosquito control commission or make a few bucks distributing literature for the Democratic Party. Some are "Reagan Democrats" who haven't voted for a Democrat since LBJ. My own uncle was a registered Democrat and voted for all Republicans since Truman. One of my best friends is as liberal as you can be, always votes Democratic and yet is registered as a Republican because he needed to do so to vote for his brother in a primary.

Additionally, for many Lieberman is still a Democrat because they do not follow the process closely and because he calls confusingly calls himself an "independent Democrat".

My point is that how many of the registered Democrats are true died in the wool Dems and how many are registered as Dems but really don't consider themselves as party members is anyone's guess.

[GreenArrow]

32. traitors to whom?

Are Lieberman voters voting for Lieberman for reasons of:

A) Party?
B) Policies?
C) Personality?

[The Magistrate]

33. Locking

Flame-Bait.