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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 09:51 AM
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Whats your opinion of Byron Dorgan?
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 09:56 AM by nickshepDEM
And why do you think he has refused to run for higher office?

He has always been one of my favorite pol's in the senate. He's great on issues like the defecit, trade, and spending.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:05 AM
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1. An excellent man
I shook his hand last Sunday. I have reluctantly washed mine since then. My wife took a nice picture of us together.

North Dakota is fortunate to have him.
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:12 AM
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2. Dorgan is one of our assets
The man seems to have his head on straight.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:21 AM
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3. You can watch him discuss his book "Take this job and ship it" here
http://www.booktv.org/General/index.asp?segID=7359&schedID=444

I was impressed. :)


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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:24 AM
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7. I saw him on CSPAN last week.
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 10:25 AM by nickshepDEM
He was in Deerborn, MI. He was great as usual.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:45 AM
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19. So did I. That's recommended viewing. Dorgan was great.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:22 AM
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4. Weird hair, but a good guy. nt
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:23 AM
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5. I love to see him standing up for the people on the senate floor. He
always makes great points and is a strong speaker.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:23 AM
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6. Love the guy
Dorgan and Kent Conrad should run for Pres and VP and flip a coin to decide which is which.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:24 AM
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9. My kind of ticket.
Probably the two best Senators in Washington.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:24 AM
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8. I just purchased his book,
Take This Job and Ship It: How Corporate Greed and Brain-Dead Politics Are Selling Out America
by Byron Dorgan

With 8 reviews in the book has a 5 star average. I'm looking forward to reading it!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031235522X/ref=ord_cart_shr/104-4550177-3714357?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance&n=283155

snip...

Book Description

Our trade deficit increases by $2 billion a day. Pharmaceutical companies and their lobbyists have such influence in Washington that Medicare, by current law, is not allowed to negotiate lower drug prices. We import oil on an ever-increasing scale, putting ourselves into dept with the Saudis, the Kuwaitis, and other Middle Eastern nations. With their windfall profits, they continue to buy American assets. China’s booming economy and abundance of cheap labor are threatening our economic survival. We have mortgaged our fortunes, our principles, and our way of life.
In this comprehensive look at the real, human toll of America’s unsound trade policy, Senator Byron Dorgan exposes the myth of “free trade.” Indeed, free trade is not free; it is something that is slowly but surely draining away American prosperity. Sure, Chinese labor can drive down prices at Wal-Mart; at the same time, however, those saved wages—dollars that would have gone to buy these cheaper goods—are gone. Too soon, it will all come crashing down.
Major U.S. corporations continue to ship jobs overseas by the millions and, because of their influence in Washington, avoid paying a king’s ransom in taxes. Many billions of dollars that these companies fleece from the government and the American people go overwhelmingly to investments in expanding production capabilities overseas. In short, our government is in the grip of corporate and foreign interests, and the American worker has born the brunt of this culture of corruption. How can we stem the tide of outsourcing? Why has the White House done nothing? Will the middle class survive?
From describing corporate profiteering to calling to action a lethargic, inactive government, Byron Dorgan exposes the truth about the destructive relationship between corporations and Congress and proposes strategies for what can really be done to preserve America’s preeminence in the world.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:51 AM
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10. Not that I care, but he is a DLC member.
Personnally, I think he is a great senator, though a little too conservative on social issues (but once again, he is from ND).
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:54 AM
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12. Well for some around here...
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 11:54 AM by SaveElmer
His DLC membership is enough to withold their vote!
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:50 AM
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11. I liked his book "Take This Job and Ship It" a lot
it changed my opinion on NAFTA and CAFTA and the like.
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:16 PM
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13. At the top of Democrat list of quality politicians
I believe him to be a straight shooter, but maybe not the 'manipulator' type. He could be Harry Truman type if the party was split and needed a compromise. But as he has said himself, many times he was a voice in the wilderness.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:27 PM
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14. I read a post that said that he hasn't endorsed Lamont yet.
So I'll reserve judgement. Usually, I like what he says.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 02:01 PM
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16. That's what I don't get.
Why would someone who is apparently a decent Demcorat, not endorse the Democratic Party nominee?

Especially given what Lieberman is pulling now, I have serious reservations about any Democrat that doesn't endorse the choice of the primary voters - Lamont.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 12:39 PM
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15. No lips, bad toupee... DLC.
'nuff said.

TC
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 05:43 PM
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18. Oh really?
so his physical appearance and his membership in the DLC are what define him. Methinks your synopsis reflects your own rather shallow pov.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:23 AM
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22. I don't think it's a toupee
not from a foot away anyhow
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:23 PM
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24. I don't see the "committment"
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peony Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 05:24 PM
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17. Byron Dorgan is an honorable unsung public servant.
I think he's more interested in doing his job than running for higher office. He's a policy guy. Conservative, but I like fiscal conservatives.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:48 AM
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20. i have been impressed by him when he speaks in the Senate
he is one of those who ins't noticeable at first glance. but if you really see and listen to him you will be impressed.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:48 AM
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21. I think he rocks!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:26 PM
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25. Great guy....wonderful Senator......
But come on'! That's either a bad toupe or something landed on his head, and he is not aware of it!

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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:57 PM
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28. As do I- he's my favorite senator.
thoughtful, and well spoken, inquisitive, and always standing up for what he feels is right- granted, in his softer spoken, more background player way.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:20 PM
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23. I've campaigned for him. He is a decent, honest and upstanding man.
Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:07 PM
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26. A very good man.
I don't get why he associates himself with the DLC, he is socially conservative (you have to be to win here in the rural parts of the upper midwest) but he is very progressive on economic issues. His new book is selling like fresh pancakes at the Barnes & Noble in Fargo I frequent.
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Quequeg Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:34 PM
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27. He'd be a good President
There are only 13 in the Senate who have a higher score according to Taxpayer.net (which is an organization dedicated to reducing wasteful government spending.)
http://www.capwiz.com/taxpayer/scorecard/?chamber=S&session=1082&image.x=10&image.y=10

He's against "free trade" and the WTO, but also against the exploitation that comes from illegal immigration and h-1b visas.

He's #5 on the work visas:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/view_list.php3?District=ND&Category=5&Status=Career&Flag=7&VIPID=506

He's #2 among all Senate Democrats on the issue of Chain Migration:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/view_list.php3?District=ND&Category=2&Status=Career&Flag=10&VIPID=506

Here's a discussion of Chain Migration:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/issues.php3?District=ND&VIPID=506&Category=2&Status=Career
Chain Migration refers to the endless and often-snowballing chains of foreign nationals who are allowed to immigrate because previous immigrants can send for ADULT relatives.

It is the primary mechanism that has caused legal immigration in this country to quadruple from the 1960s. As such, it is one of the chief culprits in America's current record-breaking population boom and all the attendant sprawl, congestion, environmental habitant losses, school overcrowding and failure to meet pollution goals.

Chain Migration is about *family reunification* beyond the nuclear family. Until the late 1950s, America's immigration tradition of family unity had only included spouses and minor children.

But since then, immigrants can also send for their sibling, parents and adult children. Because each of those can then bring in their own adult relatives and nuclear family, a single immigrant can eventually be responsible for the arrival in the United States of his/her aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces, first cousins, second cousins once-removed, in a spiraling chain that eventually could reach most of the world's 6 billion-plus residents.

The claim that Chain Migration is about *family reunification* ignores the fact that each immigrant who comes to the U.S. *disunites* another family by leaving some new relatives behind. If a person really wants to live near his/her extended family, he/she should remain in the country where that extended family lives. Except for the very small percentage of each year's newcomers who are refugees, nobody is forcing immigrants to leave their families.

Chain Migration was cited by the bi-partisan Commission on Immigration Reform, chaired by Barbara Jordan, as an essential device that runs immigration numbers so high that they create economic injustice against vulnerable American workers.
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