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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:03 PM
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politically and legally beleaguered White House, not to mention bitter
Time
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1228714,00.html

The Wiretapping Decision: Legal Blow or Political Boon?
A federal rules deals another setback to President Bush's war powers. Now comes the maneuvering

By BRIAN BENNETT AND TIMOTHY J. BURGER/WASHINGTON
Posted Thursday, Aug. 17, 2006

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales seemed to reflect the fatigue of a politically and legally beleaguered White House when he paused for a sigh as he began a press conference Thursday afternoon to respond to a federal judge's ruling that the Administration's controversial domestic wiretapping program is illegal and should be stopped immediately. He said he was "disappointed" by the decision — and he looked it.

The surprise ruling — in which Judge Anna Diggs Taylor said it was "never the intent of the framers to give the President such unfettered control" — raised new questions about the broad authority President Bush has claimed since the Sept. 11 attacks for secret new intelligence programs. Her decision came on the same day a federal jury in North Carolina convicted a former Central Intelligence Agency contract interrogator on charges of illegally beating a detainee shortly before the man died in Afghanistan in 2003. More important, the ruling followed a Supreme Court decision in June that the Administration's use of military tribunals in Guantanamo was illegal — until this week the biggest blow to Bush’s assertion of broad unilateral powers in the war on terrorism.

Attorneys for the Justice Department and the National Security Agency, the electronic eavesdropping shop, quickly won a stay allowing the NSA to continue its domestic spy program pending appeal. President Bush said in December, after disclosures in the media, that the so-called Terrorist Surveillance Program is used only to monitor calls between U.S. persons in phone contact with suspected al-Qaeda terrorists or supporters abroad. "The decision is unreasoned and not supported by any analysis," a senior, and bitter-sounding, Administration official complained to TIME. The decision most likely sent shudders through an intelligence community that runs numerous messy spy programs based on the guidance of the very Administration attorneys who had insisted the surveillance program is legal.

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How the ruling will play out politically is uncertain. Some Washington insiders expected that it would give Bush and the GOP another chance to play to his strength — waging war on terror — while appealing the ruling and seeking legislative changes to accommodate the eavesdropping program. But others said it could give Democrats yet another opening to charge that Bush ignores the law and is wielding vast power in secrecy, without legal authority or broad public support.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:06 PM
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1. hahaha at the Bush Administration.
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 08:07 PM by dorktv
No sympathy for them at all.

After all what part of "representative republic" do you not understand?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:08 PM
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2. We have to start watching these desperado's in their last day's a hell..
of a lot closer than we did in the beginning, that includes the 30 some percent that Really voted for Them.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:08 PM
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3. How about speeding up court rulings on torture as well and the illegal
...detainment and isolation of persons without due process?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:09 PM
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4. The Emperor has no alibi.
He has broken his oath of office. He swore to uphold and protect the Constitution, and instead he's done everything to undermine it.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:17 PM
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Delete
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 08:18 PM by dajoki
Double posted
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:17 PM
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5. How the ruling will play out politically is uncertain...
This worries me because of the ignorant people who will fall for their line of crap.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:19 PM
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6. I think they're beginning to see the handwriting on the wall . . .
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 08:20 PM by MrModerate
I listened to Schimpanski on Friday when he tried to lay out a line of happy talk following a meeting of an economic discussion group at the White House. His highly randomized use of punctuation (a Bush family genetic trait) was twitchier than ever.

When he was quizzed about the ruling that the NSA program was unconstitutional, he was clearly infuriated, but cognizant of the need to not blow his top in public. The stress in his voice and the sheer incoherence of his response was striking (even for him) . . . once he even "went up," meaning he lost his train of thought and couldn't get it back. Almost immediately thereafter, he abruptly closed the questioning and stalked off.

My judgment: he's losing it. Everything he's touched has turned to shit, and he knows it. He's tried to wish it away but it won't stay away. I say we need to watch him closely from now on for signs he's going to spontaneously combust.

And let's not forget, this guy could nuke Tehran (or San Francisco, for that matter) if he wants to.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:23 PM
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7. You're right, he could be dangerous n/t
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:27 PM
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8. "Waging war on terror" is his strength? Give me a break.
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 08:49 PM by Olney Blue
:banghead:
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:45 PM
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10. what's the Great Dull Beast waiting for?
goofy bush has it galloping towards the cliff - slowing down is nice but why not just stop?
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:33 PM
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17. Yeah, he created more than he stopped n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:41 PM
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9. MUHAHAHAHAHAH
Die ...you bastards

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 09:12 PM
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11. And Which Democrats Would Those Be?
"But others said it could give Democrats yet another opening to charge that Bush ignores the law and is wielding vast power in secrecy, without legal authority or broad public support."

So Feingold, Conyers, and perhaps a few others actual Democrats will jump up and down and and scream that Bush is breaking the law.

Hillary, Chuck, Barak, and the rest of the DLCers and DLC-wannabes will simply evade, privately crying tears of happiness, joyful that they can triangulate between the "far left" Feingolds/Conyers of the world and the far right Republicans - just as they did on the censure resolution.

C'mon people - get a clue.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:21 PM
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12. I hope you are wrong
but I don't think so. No better time than to pass that censure resolution than now.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:28 PM
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13. I Also Hope That I'm Wrong! (eom)
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:10 PM
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16. So do I n/t
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:07 AM
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14. Hyenas are most dangerous when cornered.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:01 AM
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15. Remember when trying to find an intern a job in NYC
was considered an abuse of power?

Where's Congress?
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