Lieberman - not backing Dem candidates for House in CT

[CTLawGuy]

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2006/08/noncombatant_jo.php

"Non-Combatant" Lieberman Won't Back Democratic Candidates
by Melinda Tuhus | August 25, 2006 06:15 PM | Permalink | Comments (3)

Declaring himself a "non-combatant," U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, in remarks at a New Haven press event Friday, raised anew the question of whether his "independent" candidacy will help Republicans hold onto three Congressional seats in Connecticut -- and control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

Lieberman -- who after losing an Aug. 8 Democratic primary to Ned Lamont has launched a third-party bid to hold onto his seat in the Nov. 7 general election -- was asked whether he still endorses Diane Farrell, Joe Courtney and Chris Murphy, three Democrats looking to unseat endangered Republican incumbents Chris Shays, Rob Simmons and Nancy Johnson.

“I’m a non-combatant,” Lieberman declared. “I am not going to be involved in other campaigns. I think it’s better if I just focus on my own race.”

Lieberman made the remarks at a Friday morning photo op held in the rain under an I-95 overpass in the Fair Haven neighborhood to tout his role in bringing $50 million to the state to help ease transportation gridlock.

“It’s a little awkward for me now” to endorse the Democratic candidates in the general election, he said, “since they all endorsed my opponent,” Democratic primary winner Ned Lamont.

(snip)
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Is it just me or does this raise severe doubts that he will acutally caucus with Dems should (Heaven forbid) he win again?

[Warren Stupidity]

1. "I’m a non-combatant"?

He said that with a straight face? Turd-balls. Lie after lie after lie.

[Ken Burch]

36. I thought the whole point of HolyWarJoe's career was that

he was a COMBATANT-especially when it came to foreign policy.

[IndianaGreen]

51. Judas Joe won't do anything to hurt Republican candidates

He knows where his true loyalties lie.

[TaleWgnDg]

52. think about it . . . this man almost

became VICE PRESIDENT ! I've often wondered why he was chosen?

Why did Al Gore choose Mr. Fence-Sitter? <cough> Oh, did I answer why already?

[Le Taz Hot]

92. Al Gore didn't choose him.

He was chosen by the "gotta get those middle-of-the-road voters" while-abandoning-any-semblance-of-Democratic-principles DLC . At the time Gore was allowing them to run his campaign. I'm pretty confident, in hindsight, he learned his lesson and will stay as far away from the "experts" as he can if he ever decides to go for the presidency again.

[charlyvi]

2. I don't think he'll caucus with Dems.....

I think he'll switch to caucusing with repubs and say Dems forced him to do so. Anyone who takes the man at his word is asking for betrayal. If he can withhold endorsing Dems lower down on the ticket, and thereby jeapordize a Dem takeover of the House, he's no Dem. He's the party of Joe---by Joe and for Joe. Sheesh.

[badgerpup]

40. Is there an updated list of Dem Senators supporting Lamont?

Where does one go to find out?
Thanks...:pals:

Gonna bug my Senator about stripping Lieberman of his Dem seats...for all the good it will do. :eyes:

Lieberman says he's going to run as a Koolaid-drinking, Bush-bot, Republican an 'Independant'?
By gods, then, LET HIM DO SO!! :grr:

[charlyvi]

54. Here's a link to the most recent info I can find.....

http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/08/update-on-senate-democrats-supporting.html

[badgerpup]

41. deleted...dupe

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

63. He is still insisting that he is a Democrat

"My sense is that Senator Lieberman is running as the de facto Republican candidate," said Lamont. "I think he’s getting a lot of quiet support and not-so-quiet support from official Republican circles, starting from the White House and here in the state."

Lamont called himself "an old fashioned Democrat … running against two Republicans."

Gerstein shrugged off Lamont’s claim. "They can’t change the fact that he’s a Democrat who has a strong progressive record," Gerstein said of Lieberman.

"Joe Lieberman is a Democrat, he will be a Democrat and he is committed to being part of the (U.S. Senate) Democratic caucus if he’s re-elected," said Gerstein.



http://www.nhregister.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=17103413&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=517515&rfi=8

[charlyvi]

68. Actions speak louder than words.

Joe said he would support the down-ticket Dems even if he lost the primary. He lost. He is no longer endorsing the down-ticket Dems. They are crucial to retaking the House. Enough said.

[othermeans]

3. It makes me believe the theory that Bush will replace Rummy with

Lieberman and allow the Ct. governor to replace him with a Republican senator

[wordpix2]

31. this is worse than that scenario:

snip:
Lieberman's campaign could help the three Republicans keep their jobs in the face of tough challenges. :grr:

[silverojo]

4. F*ck LIE-berman

Just plain f*ck him. In every orifice, in every way, till he's too sore to lie anymore. :mad:

[CTLawGuy]

5. one of the comments had a good point

that Lamont was just fine endorsing Murphy, Courtney and Farrell, even though they all endorsed Lieberman in the primary.

Why can't Joe do the same thing, especially in the general?

[glitch]

6. This image posted by DUer Roscoe T. sums up Lieberman

[napi21]

7. PLEASE all CT people, see the AH for what he really is!

I can't believe he is as bad as he's acting!!!!

For God sake! He's continuing to reinforce the fact that he's not a DEM!!!!!

Any voters in CT who want another Pubshould vote for him,but as I understand it,nostof the people in CT are INDs and are against Shrub's policies. I sure hope they all recognize this idiot for what he really is!!!!!

[Peeves]

102. BUT, DEMOCRACY WORKS! ...

If they voted for Lemont over Lieberman once, they can do it AGAIN in Connecticut! (or so the story goes! ... :evilgrin: )

[DUyellow]

8. A republican spy has been exposed

[niallmac]

24. Well? It sort of looks that way doesn't it. He's either

a spy or a turn coat. Given that he is turning his back on his presumed
former party does this not disturb his steadfast supporters? What
are we voting for here if not for people we can trust?

[FighttheFuture]

34. Ireally think hs is a RW plant... after all William F Buckley did back...

Lord Joey "It's my seat, wahhhh" Lieberman in his initial run for the senate. He's also good example also of what the DLC backstabbers are all about!

An article from 2000... which attempts to cast him as a brilliant politician, but you can also see the scum he is:
The Education of Joe Lieberman
Then in '88 Lieberman made his big move. No other prominent Democrat wanted to take on U.S. Sen. Lowell Weicker, a popular liberal Republican. Lieberman sensed Weicker was vulnerable, viewed as too hard-edged and unresponsive after too many years in the job. It was the '70 Marcus all over again.

Except this time he applied the lessons of '78 and '80. New Haven's machine Democrats pulled hard for him. Meanwhile, Lieberman branded Republican Weicker the old-fashioned liberal. He even red-baited Weicker for daring to suggest normalizing trade with Fidel Castro's Cuba. (Lieberman continues to swim in right-wing Cuban expatriate campaign cash to this day.) William F. Buckley even formed a PAC to raise money for Lieberman. Lieberman pulled enough conservative votes to squeak into office.

But the clincher was what he learned from the 1980 attack ads. Not only did Lieberman go negative this time -- he went negative first. And he did it in a way that forever changed Connecticut politics.
....

[leesa]

9. “It’s a little awkward for me now” Perhaps that is why you should

have conceded you small-minded, petty man.


He is willing to leave the House in the control of Republicans, when we need to impeach criminals. Joe is a traitor.

[kohodog]

10. This sums it up

Joe must go.

[sandrakae]

11. Spoken like a true selfish BASTARD.

[civildisoBDence]

12. I think Lieberman is as sincere as Zell Miller in supporting DUHbya's war

Of course, Zell showed himself to be batshit insane during the '04 election...

Besides, sincerity of purpose doesn't erase brazen self-interest.

Lieberman has that red(state) moustache from drinking DUHbya's Kool Aid.

Call him the Joe-ker.

Satire as thick as a president's skull

[DeepModem Mom]

13. I AM ANGRY NOW! K&rR!

:mad:

[Botany]

14. Joe and his gang are ready to fight

Prediction Joe is going to get beat by at least 15 points.

[loves_dulcinea]

23. by lamont, right?

i hope so too. while we're hoping, we might as well hope the dems sweep the congessional seats also.

[D23MIURG23]

58. Certainly not by Schlesinger

Who polls around the 5 percent mark pretty consistently. Unless there is some sort of miracle.

[PghTiny]

15. Why isn't the demo caucus throwing Holy Joe out?

n/t

[merci_me]

18. My thought EXACTLY!!!

The minute he filed as an independent against the Democratic nominee, he left the party and should have been IMMEDIATELY stripped of any committee appointments he holds!!!!

[niallmac]

26. Words, values not recognized in new age 'namby pamby politics':

Principled.
Immediate
Core Values
Party before self
Nation before corporate crony
Constitution before fascist pandering
Children before profit.


spellling edit

[Sterling]

32. I am waiting when the party starts getting it's shit together

meaning stoning turncoat assholes that are corpwhores and Reps in Dems clothes I will then give a shit about the Democratic party again. The fact people like Joe are allowed to call themselves Dems tells me I am probably not one myself if he indeed is tolorated by this party. He aint the only one either, but he is the worst.

[fishwax]

20. I agree

[guidod]

21. Let's all start making phone calls

and find out why they're being so quiet. We should also pressure Gov. Dean. :dem:

[farmbo]

16. Quoting Popeye: "That's All I Can Stand..Cause I Can't Stands No More!"

Holy Joe...You're OUTTA HERE!!!

[formercia]

17. By just being a distraction

he helps the GOP.

[tsuki]

19. He'll join the Republicans if he wins. nt

[Zorra]

22. Hello, Connecticut Dems? Are you paying attention? n/t

[CTLawGuy]

25. As of August 9th

Joe still had support from 30% of CT dems in the GE. This number is what will tank the sharpest over the course of the campaign, from very events like this.

[wordpix2]

30. of course we're paying attention and I'm mad as hell about this!

[MaryRN]

104. uh, yeahhh...

Saturday, August 26, 2006
Let's chat, Joe...

Pluto's no longer a planet. Lieberman's no longer a "combatant." What does it portend, oh what might it mean in the world according to bush?

Pluto was a respected, well known planetary staple for all those educated prior to its recent demotion. Wasn't it always so cute in its diminutive condition? I mean, who didn't like Pluto! It was the baby of the family for heaven's sake...the "junior" of the group. Sure, it wasn't a dramatic Saturn with its willowy rings; nor was it a monolithic Jupiter, the big one you'd never mess with. All I can think in my attempt to understand this is that a fundamental truth emerges from within Pluto's demise: Indeed, size DOES matter after all.

So, Joe...what in the planetary system are you doing here? One day you're a Democrat, one day you're a whole party! Then you wish to caucus with Democrats - but you "campaign," yes, CAMPAIGN (ya, Jane, that one's for you!) with Republicans! And what's THIS about...Glory be do my eyes deceive me? The Hawk is changing course? Your lust for war has been satiated? Oh, I know, it's just a small thing, a concession "if you will" (I like to talk like Cheney sometimes and I KNOW it appeals to you.) You simply want a timetable...like your Republican colleague..I forget his name...oh, right, Christopher Shays. I LOVE when political expediency reigns and oh Joe, I know you love it too! Who among us can't love an opportunist? Especially when it comes to life and death matters? Why, look at your donors - beneficiaries of the war machine! Of course you love opportunity - who wouldn't given your coffers they've stuffed.

But Joe - you're kinda walkin' a fine line now, aren't ya? You just might be construed as a "flip-flopper" and we KNOW how politically incorrect THAT is. Just ask your old ex-buddy Kerry.

Hey, Senator Kerry! I'm gonna give YOU a couple of points for your politics around your comments re your ex-Democratic senator buddy. Not enough, however, to get MY vote again but for now, nice job! I am a liberal and I like to give credit where it's due.

Now, back to you, Joe...Being so "in touch" with your consituents as you claim to be, surely you must have noticed that Ned's got the momentum? Come on, you KNOW it! You INVENTED it! Just like your "new" friends like to say that President Gore "invented the internet!" NED'S GOT THE MOMENTUM....but WORSE for you, Joe, NED'S GOT THE BUCKS NOW!!!
Use all your senses, Senator...take a look at what your constituents, the majority that is, are saying, and doing...and when you do, you'll see that the tides have turned against you. Forget about the reasons, Joe, you were never really a detail man. It is what it is. The people of Connecticut, YOUR state, Senator Lieberman, spoke to you on August 8th. So far, you're still unable to hear what they said. Let me try to rephrase it in a way that I think you might understand.

We, the People of Connecticut, registered DEMOCRATS, whom you have sworn to serve, have given you a message. The message was clear. You can't hear it right now because you're still in shock that you are about to lose the power you've coveted for the past 18 years.

Power isn't lasting, Senator, unless you use it properly, with respect and that that respect applies to others you encounter while the Power is in your hands. Senator, you have ABUSED your power and you have done so at the people of Connecticut's expense. You have betrayed the principles of the party you claim allegience to.

We've got some dead people here in CT, Joe, really, really dead...and they have families whose grief and pain can never be explained to anyone unless you've experienced it yourself. Your decisions, Joe, have caused those beautiful people to be dead and those families their eternally gaping wounds. Things like that are NEVER forgotten, Senator, trust me. I lost a child not through war but in love. I get their pain. But I don't get how they reconcile their loss based on known lies. My heart bleeds for them.

And when we take it a step beyond, and look at your un-WAVERING support for that war's continuance, speaking for myself, I'd love to grab you by the shoulders and shake you, screaming in your face, why, why, why did you let this happen?

Do the right thing, Joe. Some say you're a "religious" man. "Thou shalt not kill" seems like a pretty universal spiritual and moral concept, doesn't it, Joe? Get in touch with your conscience. Look back on your career. And ask yourself one question...What role have you played since 2000, when you covered your bases in the senate even then, how many of those lives are you responsible for and what, for mercy sakes are you prepared to tell the God you believe in? Far be it for me to presume to be able to judge any one else's conscience but oh wow, if it were mine? I'd be pretty tied up in THAT psychological quaqmire, that's for certain.



I have voted you the responsibility of speaking and standing up for the values I believed in. You did that for a time. That time was over in 2000...but in 2002, when you had the dignity and grace to drop out of the race, I applauded you. You had the integrity then, Senator, but you're mixed in with a whole different crowd now, Rovian folk. I beg you: remember your roots.

At this moment, you are on a precipice. A crossroads. Make the right decision, Senator Lieberman. Bow out of the race now while you can with that same dignity and grace you displayed in 2002. Do it, Joe. Your positive legacy will remain in tact. For the most part. The clock is ticking, Joe. Time is on your side this moment but that is about to change depending upon what you do at this crossroad.

I'd love to meet you, Senator, and have a cup of coffee with you. I know you're the one of the two of us who knows the diner scene so I'll leave the logistics to you. You name the diner and the time and I would be so delighted to share some coffee and some kibbutzing with you.

But, back to Pluto where I think I must have been living these past 6 years as my eyes and ears couldn't believe what I've been seeing devolve. I guess my questions all boil down to this: is if a planet is no longer called a planet, does it still make a sound?

It's time, Senator. It's time.

*AND posted on my blog as an open letter.

http://psychobabbleandpotpourri.blogspot.com

[elshiva]

27. LOSERMAN.

[Peeves]

103. I thought it was LIE-berman ...n/t

[MasonJar]

28. I'd be willing to bet money that L has a deal with the Pugs that if

he stays out of the House race they will support his re-election.

[wordpix2]

29. you've got it---this is IT for Lieberman in my book, I can't even respect

him anymore.

It's one thing to back Bush in his insane war (and that's enough for me to not vote for Joe) but quite another for him not to support Dem candidates who stand for Dem values in close CT races.

:grr:

[IWantAChange]

33. Looks, walks and talks like a Repug -

Joe; when your campaign is being financed in part by Republicans, when you don't support your supposed parties candidates, when you run against the will of the majority of voters in your party in your state you need to check your 'integrity' at the door and admit that you are a Republican wanna-be.

[FighttheFuture]

35. He's worse than a Repug... he's a BEnedict Arnold, a traitor to the Dems.

and the Liberal principles that made this party great, and will make it great again, once they wake up and get the corporate heroin ($$$) out of their system!!

[kenfrequed]

37. Soft touch

He's dodging this one so that he can play it either way. He is going to feign conflicted for awhile and try to act like a victem as long as he possibly can. He will continue making his generalized statements about "overly-partisan" Democrats and sabotauge the Democrats best chance at a congressional takeover in years.

The Republican spin machine will chase this one around regularly. "Poor Joe" will get star treatment from O'reilly and Hannity as it will give a jump to Joe's media profile, denigrate the left, and give these right wing pundint-bots a shot of "journalistic legitimacy" that they do not deserve.

This has to be countered.

It was the people that chose Lamont over Joe. The only "joementum" that exists right now is the trajectory of his butt being punted by the voters.

America no longer believes the lies that have put us in Iraq and helped create a civil war with no end in sight. It is more to admit you are mistaken and do the right thing than it is to try to prove that you were right.

It is arrogance that Joe exercises when he agreed with the powerful over the people. It is arrogance that he comes from when he decides we should "stick it out" despite not makeing a single sacrifice of his own. And it is arrogance that somehow his staying in office is more important than the democratic will of the people he claimed to represent.

[sidpleasant]

71. "It was the people that chose Lamont over Joe"

No, no - it was "Al Queda types" and "far left bloggers" and "hippies." That must be trues since Republicans keep saying it. </sarcasm>

[AzDar]

38. After November, the "Non-Combatant" will be a "Non-Entity". n/t

[ananda]

39. HoJoe deserts his friends..

.. and yet he surrounded himself with Dem friends
in his losing race with Lamont.

What an ugly ugly ho.

[Hippo_Tron]

42. More likely, the House candidates don't want his Joementum

As tempting as it may be...

[saracat]

43. That does it. I tried to be fair about this. I thought you could present t

this as a win/win for the Dems, but you can't Joe is an SOB, any respect I ever had (and it wasn't muchI tried to respect his former service) went down the toilet. I hope this bastard goes down in flames.Reid has GOT to remove him.He is a rat bastard of the first order!

[minnesota_liberal]

44. not going to be involved?

As if it took any energy to endorse another candidate!

Just another indication that Joe ("A party of Me") Lieberman is not a Democrat and should be shunned as a turncoat.

[prete_nero]

45. Too bad it is working...

...I mean, is it possible this is exactly what the Republicans (and Demopubs) want? I would think they would want something to reallly distract the liberal base (us) from other races that we need to win and to get us to focus on a race we should have never even had to think about.

Does this sound about right? It makes me furious and I want as much as all of your to get Lieberman out of his seats of power and defeated. But aren't we just doing what they want? It's been rare to see stories like this that get people all worked up and ready to act when it comes to the seats that will make a difference.
Yes winning Lieberman's seat will make a difference. But, to the majority of people, seeing established Republicans ousted or close races won by Democrats will get the Democrat ball rolling. I know most people in the midwest that I talk to think that Conn. is a "liberal, democrat" state so a win there means nothing to them.

Am I totally off base? The GOP uses some sneaky methods to get their means, we should not fall into the traps.

Thanks

[charlyvi]

73. Welcome to DU.

By the way, it's DemocratIC....Democratic ball rolling...Liberal, democratic state. A large number of us don't like the right wing "democrat party" label. It's Democratic.

[Buns_of_Fire]

46. That boosh* must be one helluva kisser, is all I can say. (n/t)

[TankLV]

47. I hope this shuts up those repuke apologists of his here for good.

"holy" joe LIEberman IS NO DEMOCRAT!

How much more do you idiots who continue to defend and spin and apologize for him need for evidence.

HE'S HELPING REPUKE CANDIDATES, ALL UP AND DOWN THE LINE, WHETHER CONGRESS OR SENATE!

This make me soooo fucking mad...

[TankLV]

48. By the way, has anybody seen that repuke defender, Dolstein?

I'm sure he'll want to give us his "wisdom" on why we are all such "losers" and freekrepuks wannabes for demanding that WE Democrats KICK HIM THE HELL OUT OF OUR PARTY!

And lend support to the "Lamont should withdraw and support the inevitable LIEberman win" so "democrats" don't "lose" a seat" crap...

[CTLawGuy]

77. Well

he'll just say how the fact that Joe Lieberman ran as an indy and is not supporting the Dems for the House is all Lamont's fault for daring to compete in the primary against Joe.

[MoonRiver]

49. P.O.S. nuff said

:mad:

[Nebulous Abstraction]

50. The democratic voters of Connecticut finally became hip to Lieberman's

attempts at tainting the democratic party with dangerous ideology and now that he's been given the old heave-ho, he's acting like a typical, power-hungry neocon: unable to accept electoral defeat. Someone forgot to tell Joe that when you lose a war (in this case, the Primaries) you ante-up. I just wonder if he's already managed to pin the blame for his loss in the Primaries on Marilyn Manson yet? I hope the moderate democrats of Connecticut aren't taken in by this huckster and that they don't cast their votes for this fool.

[cmkramer]

53. It's you

I'd be concerned as a Lieberman supporter if he said something like "I want to wait and learn more about the GOP candidates before I endorse anyone".

I'm taking his comments that he's not going to come out for or against any candidate.

[w4rma]

55. How naive can you be? (nt)

[charlyvi]

60. I'm taking his comments that he's spiteful and whiney.

The ticket didn't support me! They actually had the gall to support the Democratic nominee!!!!! Waaaaah!

Joe knows how important a Dem house win is.....and since he considers himself an "independent" Democrat, he should endorse them. In fact, before the primary, he said he would still endorse them even if he lost. Well, he lost. And now he's singing a different tune. Why? He needs repub votes to win, so he'll sell out the candidates he said he would support to get them. Man of honor, huh? He's also pissed that the Democratic voters of Connecticut would actually get in between his ass and a seat in the Senate. So, if Joe can't play ain't no one gonna play. Like I said---spiteful.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

72. Joe spent two years being pissed...

Who knows why Gore picked Joe to be his VP? Was it because Gore was trying to distance himself from Clinton? Gore chose the most vocal democrat who condemned Clinton about his infidelities.

Joe had to be pissed when Gore supported Dean in the '04 primaries. I remember the word was that Gore never warned Lieberman about his support going to Dean.

I once e-mailed Lieberman, I got a response that said something like, 'I receive a lot of e-mail...ya-da, ya-da, ya-da...I only have time for my CT constituants'... I just had to shoot off a response that started with..."I VOTED FOR YOU FOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND YOU WON'T LET AN INTERN CONSIDER MY LETTER?" ....I was pissed :grr: ... :crazy:

[Zhade]

65. You cannot vocally support lieberman on DU.

If you are doing so, you are in violation of DU rules.

[CTLawGuy]

78. why is he not coming out for the Dems

if he is a Dem and cares about our success in the elections?

Since Lieberman's big base of support is from Rs, his very campaign is hurting the Dem candidates by turning out Repub voters to vote for him. (Naturally they will vote for the Repug candidates for House as well).

[Mr_Spock]

56. This fuck-nut is too conflicted to be a Democrat

He better lose - how can any Democrat vote for this wishy-washy ass hole?

He REALLY is starting to PISS ME OFF!! :mad:

[savemefromdumbya]

57. Hey Joe you could be Prime Minister of Israel?

[IndianaGreen]

66. There is a vacancy coming up in Israel

People have turned against Ehud Olmert, Israel's version of Brownie.

[Zynx]

83. Because Israel actually holds their government accountable.

In that case, Lieberman wouldn't last long there. The Israeli voter is much more savy than ours.

[LaPera]

59. He wants republican votes...he will get fucking moderate Dem votes, but

Lieberman doesn't want to lose either, so the arrogant prick Lieberman is not endorsing anyone but himself, STILL pretending to be a Democrat, while being supported by Rove/White House and republicans...and is planning on those votes from both sides...many of the idiot moderate "democrats" will vote for Lieberman.

And we know how Lieberman would vote if elected, just as he always has on important issues...with Bush & the republicans!!! Lieberman was a mole and a shill while in the Democratic party.

Good riddance!!!

Lamont will win!

[DallasNE]

61. Lieberman Was Campaigning With Shays

That speaks volumes about Lieberman's intentions. I have full faith that Connecticut Democrats will vote for the real thing (Lamont) rather than going with the imposter (Lieberman).

[Donkeykick]

95. Heck!

Even Shays has enough brains to cut down on Bush more than Lieberman.:rofl:

[smoogatz]

62. It's all about Joe.

What a fucking douchebag.

[Imagevision]

64. Lieberman and Zel Miller went to different schools together...

same crapolla!

[DemonFighterLives]

67. Non combatant - he should be in Gitmo

That is what we have been taught.
Gitmo joe- put you where the sun don't shine.
:freak:

[pinto]

69. Ah, kind of a disappointing end to a long career. I'm sorry to see it.

He could have been a Dem to the end, and he knows it.

[Duke Newcombe]

70. Sigh....

I have no ill will to the Senator...but I don't care who you
are, a supporter or a naysayer: as a Democrat, his failure to
support them is disturbing on many, MANY levels...

Duke

[cosmicdot]

74. I wouldn't discuss party strategy if he's in the room

Oejay isway erehay. Ummay isway ethay ordway.

[jenmito]

75. But Rawstory/NYT says he DID endorse all the Dems....

"An aide to Joe Lieberman told The New York Times on Saturday that the senator already endorsed all the Democratic candidates for the House in Connecticut and "still hoped" they'd win, although he doesn't expect to be asked to hit the campaign trail for them after his loss in the primary to challenger Ned Lamont."

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Lieberman_aide_tells_NY_Times_Senator_0826.html

[CTLawGuy]

79. that's not much of an endorsement

but he knows he can only win on the backs of the Repugs and he thus can't spend too much time helping dems for fear of turning off those repug voters.

[TheVirginian]

80. I think he's angling more for Independent votes.

[CTLawGuy]

81. No

he needs the republicans. Why abandon your own party to get independents? It makes sense when your new "base" is going to be voting for the Dem candidates' opponents. It makes less sense when indepdents aren't going to care either way.

[TheVirginian]

82. Given that Independents outnumber Republicans 2-1 in CT,

I'm sure Joe cares more about them than Republicans. With no horse in the race, Republicans are going to vote for Joe or stay home either way. Independents will be pulled between Lieberman and Lamont. Its more important for Joe to win the middle ground than the right-wing, and its more important for Joe to win where the majority of the voters are.

[CTLawGuy]

84. Joe is under 50% favorable with Indies

If I were him, I'd make sure the Repubs decided NOT to stay home, considering they are my strongest base.

Indy voters are not reliable enough voters. Yes they are the largest bloc but it doesn't mean they vote the most.

[TheVirginian]

85. His strongest base isn't Republicans.

No matter what you people delude yourself into thinking.

[Zhade]

91. And yet he won with more Republican votes each time.

More Republican votes than Dem votes IS a base, pal.

And you'd better be careful not to skirt into advocating for lieberman, or your posts will be deleted.

[TheVirginian]

97. How black-and-white you people get.

Its always Republican versus Democrat, Democrat versus Republican. That's the primary reason behind all of this bullshit. Joe Lieberman has to be a Republican operative. Why? Because he's not a Democrat. Therefore, the only thing he could possibly be is a Republican.

Half of the voters in Connecticut are Independents. Granted, most of those Independents end up voting for the Democrat; Connecticut is a blue state. But those Indepedents-who-vote-for-Democrats are not loyal to the Democratic Party as people here are. They aren't offended by Lieberman's third-party bid, and they don't believe Ned Lamont represnts the future of politics. On top of Indepedents-who-vote-for-Democrats, Joe still has probably about a third of Democrats who will vote for him (a decline from the 48% that voted for him in the primary), and then after that are the Republicans he's courting.

And I'm not advocating for Joe Lieberman, I'm advocating for a rational analysis of this race, and so far this board hasn't even come close to providing it.

[CTLawGuy]

100. Joe has the support of 75% of CT Republicans

now go ahead, tell me that's not his base.

He is at 49% among indies and 30% (and falling fast) among Dems.

Trying to make "independents" their base is what the DLC has been trying to do (and failing) for at least 10 years.

Independents are independent for a reason. They are not as ideological and not as reliable. They won't do important campaign things like: donate money, make phone calls, go canvassing. They are the least motivated to vote.

[TheVirginian]

112. But 49% of Indies is still a larger group than 75% of GOPers.

On top of which, Joe Lieberman is a centrist Democrat, who has far more ideologically in common with Connecticut Independents than he does with Connecticut Republicans (again, despite what you people delude yourself into thinking). Therefore, by looking at both quantitative numbers and a qualitative analysis of his stances, Joe Lieberman's base can be most accurately defined as Independents and moderates.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

93. Wow, I've never been called a "You People" before in DU...

although I have been called delusional. I think I prefer the latter.

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[Bretttido]

76. The only reason he hasn't outright switched to the Republican party

is so he can squeeze out as many Dem votes as possible before the election. What a jackass

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

86. No, the only reason is that he can't until after the general

elections. CT voters have to make party changes by early May in a primary year

[Bretttido]

94. Obviously he can't officially change his party affiliation before the GE

But he can certainly say something along the lines of "I believe in Republican values and will caucus with the Republicans during the next session of congress."

[mahoganydesk]

87. I just got push polled by "non-combatant" Joe

It was disgusting. I feel raped. Ten minutes of asking how I felt about this candidate and that candidate. Then they start slinging the mud. I was asking all along who the call was on behalf of and was told "I don't know." When she got to the part about "if you knew Ned Lamont had met with a highly partisan, very vocal opponent of the Iraq war from out of state..." I hung up. Is there someone I can complain to?

[salin]

88. This post deserves its own thread

you may not have enough posts to start a thread yet, but I would be happy to start one copying and linking to your post, with your permission.

[mahoganydesk]

89. Absolutely

Permission granted.

[tomp]

90. enemy non-combatant! nt

[samsingh]

96. he's lying about being a Democrat supporter now too.

[Clarkie1]

98. I am sure Lieberman and Jeffords will both caucus with Dems.

Lieberman votes with Dems 90% of the time, so it is only logical that he caucus with them. And like it or not, he is still a registered Democrat.

Zogby has Lieberman ahead by 10% today, and Webb leading Allen by about 1%.

[CTLawGuy]

99. then why won't he endorse the 3 Dem house challengers?

cause he needs those republican votes. Without his current support from 75% of the Republicans, he would be long gone from this race.

[KingFlorez]

106. Of course he will

Some people here would rather talk nonsense.

[KingFlorez]

105. What does one expect?

Everyone turned against him for that Lamont character, why the heck should he endorse them?

[MaryRN]

107. What I expect is for people to educate themselves on

the real issues that Joe will be ousted and not rely on his talking points, particularly the 90% voting record. Lieberman lovers are cheerleading for Rove at this point.

[Peeves]

108. What an insult!

You say if I support Lieberman, that I am a Rove Cheerleader? THAT'S REDICULOUS! :mad:
How typical.

[CTLawGuy]

109. cause he is (allegedly) a loyal democrat

What happened to Lieberman winning with at least 60% of the vote in the primary????

Wasn't that your prediction?

[KingFlorez]

113. So I was wrong

I still believe Lieberman is a good Democrat

[CTLawGuy]

117. A good Democrat

would not endorse his party's candidates for House in his own state?

If I had endorsed Nader instead of Gore in 2000, would I have been a good Democrat?

[KingFlorez]

118. Why would he endorse backstabbers?

They turned against him, you don't support people who would do that. They didn't support him, but yet they want him to support them. Lieberman hasn't endorsed anyone in the House races, he's staying out of it.

[CTLawGuy]

119. am I a "backstabber"

becuase I supported Kerry (the winner of the Democratic primary) in the GE when I supported Dean in the primary?

You are, as a party member, supposed to back the nominee of your party.

That's what being in a party is all about. Fight like hell for your guy in the primary, but fight together in the general election.

[cmkramer]

122. He endorsed all the Democratic candidates

back during the primary. He's just not going to campaign for them -- and the truth is, they're not likely to ask him.

[CTLawGuy]

123. did you read the article?

in it he says he doesn't endorse them.

[Anakin Skywalker]

110. I Got Two Words For Ya!

SORE LOSERMAN!

[lynne]

114. Politics is a "I'll Scratch Your Back, You Scratch Mine"

- type of business and they didn't scratch Joe's back. I'm not surprized at all that he won't scratch theirs just based on pure human nature.

[JerseygirlCT]

115. Once again proving it's all about Joe. nt

[MasonJar]

116. That statement alone should keep all Dems from voting for him.

[Supersedeas]

120. WHY has REID assured him of a position of SENIORITY?????

[warrens]

121. Do I smell a DEAL here?

We help you, you help our GOP congressional candidates?

Oh, my. He could have said, well, I never asked for Rove's help, but if there's a quid pro quo, which this looks like, he's an out and out traitor.