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Bob Geiger Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 12:55 PM
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Reporting Accurately on Reid's Options With Lieberman
The Progressive blog world has been on fire this week with tales of Senator Joe Lieberman campaigning for Republicans in Connecticut. But, as Stephen Elliott said Friday in the Huffington Post, it may or may not be accurate, depending on how you view Lieberman's public appearance with Republican candidates Jodi Rell (Governor) and Rob Simmons (House of Representatives) at a gathering to celebrate the Groton submarine base surviving years of national military-base closures.

So is something like this "campaigning" with Republicans or isn’t it? Frankly, if I were on Rell's staff, I would worry that appearing with Lieberman would make her look too conservative but, as the Hartford Courant said simply on Thursday, "Lieberman will appear with two prominent Republicans, Gov. M. Jodi Rell and U.S. Rep. Rob Simmons, R-2nd, to celebrate last year's reversal of a Pentagon decision to close the Groton submarine base."

Does a mere appearance to celebrate some very good news for the people of Connecticut -- even with GOP candidates there -- mean that Lieberman is campaigning with them? Simmons certainly didn’t waste too much time hawking his appearance at the Groton base on, yes, his campaign web site, so one could indeed reasonably construe it as a campaign event.

And I can also understand why this angers Progressives so much as we are at a time of political war, with a bit over two months until the midterm elections and, if I were a Democratic candidate, even bumping into a Republican pol at my local Starbucks would be too close for comfort.

Smarter people than me are going to have to parse through this one.

What I'm more concerned about, as your humble correspondent on the U.S. Senate, is one facet of how some Progressive bloggers are going after Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and demanding that he quickly, publicly and harshly neuter Lieberman for the pain he is causing a party that stuck with him for so many years.

Make no mistake about it: Joe Lieberman has crossed the line in so many ways that, lengthy friendships and Senate collegiality aside, it's time for all Senate Democrats to drop the hammer on Joe and publicly renounce him remaining in a race from which he was legitimately booted by Democratic voters in Connecticut. Lieberman is doing everything he can to undermine the national Democratic party and he is hurting Democratic House candidates in his state, and all for the glorification of an ego and a sense of political entitlement that have spun entirely out of control.

Joe needs to go -- and quickly.

And, while many of the calls for harsh action from Reid may be righteous, bloggers castigating him for not stripping Lieberman of his committee assignments -- especially his standing as ranking Democrat on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee -- and urging their readers to call Reid's office to harangue him about this, are simply wrong and not reporting accurately on what is or is not within Reid's authority.

Based on the way the Senate works procedurally, this is simply not something that Reid even has the authority to do.

Let me break down why that is.

The membership in Senate committees is decided at the start of every Congress with a haggled-out thing called an "organizing resolution." The entire Senate votes on it and it usually passes by unanimous consent. Organizing resolutions can also happen when party shake-ups occur in the middle of a Congress, like when Vermont's Jim Jeffords bolted from the GOP in 2001.

To give Joe his well-deserved comeuppance by taking him off committees and effectively making him the most junior member of the Senate, Reid would have to formally propose an amendment to the current organizing resolution, manage to get it to a vote and then get every Democrat and a handful of Republicans to vote for a new committee organization sans Lieberman. If Majority Leader Bill Frist decided to filibuster Reid's action, 60 votes would be required to keep it alive.

Based on that procedural construct, Harry Reid can't just unilaterally, or even by a closed vote of the Democratic caucus, strip Lieberman of his committee assignments.

In short, it ain't gonna happen. Even if Reid were to go way out on a limb like this and even if he were to get all Senate Democrats to make such a big move, I stand a better chance of getting a hot date with Salma Hayek then there is of even one Republican voting with them to boot Joe.

While not the most exciting reading in the world, the organizing resolutions for the current (109th) Senate are here for the Republicans and here for Democrats if you would like to see what this process looks like.

I'm just finishing Helen Thomas's excellent book, "Watchdogs of Democracy?" which, like Eric Boehlert's superb "Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush," indicts a corporate media that has become too much like stenographers and not enough like real reporters, dealing in facts and doing the legwork to acquire the truth.

Progressive political writers should be tough and aggressive, while making sure that we don’t make the same mistakes as the corporate media we so roundly criticize and, in the process, appear so shrill that our own message becomes as suspect.

You can read more from Bob at BobGeiger.com.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 01:00 PM
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1. It would be petty and stupid to strip Joe of his committee assignments.
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 01:01 PM by Radical Activist
I want Joe to lose, but what if Joe wins and the Senate is tied 50/50 again? Should we lose majority control in the Senate just so liberals can get their petty revenge on Lieberman? Dumb, dumb, dumb. Wait until after the election and then Reid can start making those decisions.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 06:05 PM
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11. It would be absolutly SMART and send a signal to TRAITORS everywhere
if we could strip him of everything and reduce him to a benchwarmer/placeholder until Lamont wins.

It would be BRILLIANT if WE could do this.

The Democrats better decide QUICK if they are a Party or not.

If they don't PUNICH this REPUKE ENABLER and wannabe, then these "leaders" better be put on notice that what happened to LIEberman, can and WILL happen to THEM.

It's called SMART politics.

Period.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 01:06 PM
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2. Excellent Piece
It is important, especially now, for we progressives to understand the nuances of how things actually operate. I, for one, will confess ignorance on "organizing resolutions".

*shadow government*
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joanski0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 01:32 PM
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3. Thank you for this important info. n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 01:36 PM
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4. Kicked and recommended for educational purposes. n/t
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 02:03 PM
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5. As much as I'd like to see Joe ousted out...
we can't let him destroy our central message. Excellent piece. Thank you.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 02:09 PM
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6. Educating Dem activists is a must - thankyou Bob Geiger.
Too often alot of time and energy gets misdirected due to simply not knowing.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:13 PM
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7. Better to put efforts into Joe's complete separation from the Senate
then to bother with this stuff. He only has 4 months left as a member of the US Senate. The ranking democrats could announce, however, that should the worst take place, and he is re-elected, that they will not want him give him any chairmanships.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:44 PM
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8. Thanks Bob. I wasn't aware it would need bi-partisan support
Your blog has been on my must-read list for a while now. I always manage to learn something new or get a new perspective to think about every time I read it.

Again thanks.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 03:58 PM
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9. i "sort of" disagree with this ...
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 04:06 PM by welshTerrier2
suggesting that the blogosphere should do its homework and not make mistakes like asking Reid to do that which he is not empowered to do is always good advice ... no problem there ...

but, let's face reality, the Senate rules on how chairmanships are assigned are VERY inside baseball ... most of us, no matter how much we follow politics, have no idea what the process is ... i'll be glad to admit i had no idea how the process works until i read the OP ...

the blogosphere, when it calls for Lieberman to be stripped of his committee positions, is expressing a feeling ... the message is that Lieberman has betrayed us and we should retaliate ... yes, those calling for stripping him (i have not btw) failed to learn the details of the process; far more importantly, however, was the sentiment ... the message to Reid is: screw him as much as you can ... the fact that Reid can't strip Lieberman of his positions is much less relevant than the sentiment ... this isn't to say that more knowledge is not preferable; of course it is ... but i think we need to understand that there really is a huge difference between "the energy we have as voters and online activists" versus the knowledge of professional politicians ... ignorance of the Senate rules should not cause us to lose sight of the will of the online activist community ...

as for Reid and the party itself, again, i feel that job one should be educating the electorate ... while it's always fair to say we all should be better informed, some of the responsibility to educate us lies with the "experts" ... the calls to strip Lieberman have been loud and clear; i'm sure Reid and other elite Dems have heard them repeated over and over ... what have they done to educate the blogosphere about the Senate rules??? if they've said, posted or written anything, has their communication been adequate? i haven't seen a word about it ... i'm eager to learn; i'm eager to hear from our leaders ... the public has an obligation to learn more but our leaders also have an obligation to educate us ... they've been absent as far as i can see ... we non-pros make all sorts of mistakes; our party should step in when we're wrong and help disseminate the information we need ...

Reid apparently cannot just unilaterally take any action against Lieberman at this time ... that's fine ... but he could respond to what is being asked for ... he could say that he is very disappointed in Lieberman ... perhaps he has (has he?) ... he could say that if Lieberman were to win, he's heard the calls for "punishing" Lieberman in the next Senate session and thinks these calls are worthy of serious consideration ... i haven't heard him say that either (has he?) ...

to conclude, i said i "sort of" disagree because, while i agree we should be careful not to make unreasonable, ill-informed demands, i think the more important points are that: 1. non-pros are expressing a "sentiment" and the means of "punishment" are less important and 2. our leaders should help correct our errors especially in cases where the "rules" are somewhat "inside baseball" ...

so, the bottom line is that many of us hope Reid will make stronger criticisms of Lieberman and perhaps will address his thinking on future chairmanships should Lieberman win ...
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 05:23 PM
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10. Question
Again, I have to ask. In what universe would the governor of the state, the representative from the district the base is located in and the senator who championed the cause not be attending an event celebrating the base remaining open?

It's a "campaign" event only in that it allows incumbent politicians to show their constituents what they have done for them.

All the pols there were after the same thing: voters who come away thinking "Boy, I gotta vote for this candidate after what (s)he's done to help our state." I doubt if they're even thinking that much about the other pols on stage.

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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:35 PM
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12. Regarding whether or not Lieberman was campaigning with Repubs:
Okay, maybe the sub base conference is a gray area. However, according to FireDogLake, Lieberman and Simmons (R) were out shaking hands later that day at Millstone nuclear power plant. That looks a lot less ambiguous to me.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/26/sad-funny-tragic/#more-4183

Thanks so much for clearing up the Senate committee confusion.

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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:53 PM
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13. I just read the Stephen Elliot column you reference in your post
He points out that the Democratic Attorney General who endorsed Ned Lamont was also there.


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 11:13 PM
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14. Do you support Lamont?
NT!

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