When Did James Carville Make His Comment About Democrats???

[ChiciB1]

I heard that he said that if Democrats don't win in November than there is something seriously wrong with the party. Or something like that. When did he say it and WHERE has he been??

Also, Rahm Emmanuel is dissing Soros & MoveOn.org for not helping Democrats enough!! What the F--k is going on here??

I've been a little peeved at BOTH of these dudes for some time myself because they are such Hillary "humpers" but I haven't seen very many interviews given by Carville myself. That does not mean he hasn't been out there because I have to admit that I get most of my news either at FSTV, LINK or DU and other blogs. My daughter always calls me for information because she knows how political I am. Sometimes she asks me questions that I can't answer.... sooooooooooo here I am.

I do agree that we SHOULD win in November, but given e-voting and Gerrymandering I have doubts. Then we have to realize that there IS that big GORILLA in the middle of everything "The Red Rover" who will stop at NOTHING!!

It's quite evident to me that "the corrupt ones" are doing what they do all over again and that why they are RE-PUKES! Or maybe it's time to be calling them RE-Re-Re-PUKES! S.0.S.!! I abhor what they have done to our country!!!

[LA lady]

1. here

"We have to go back to 1974" - during Watergate - "to find such a favorable environment," said James Carville, who ran Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign. "If we can't win in this environment, we have to question the whole premise of the party."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/27/news/letter.php

[Debi]

11. I wonder if Carville noticed that in 1994, 1996 & 1998 WE LOST

SEATS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE. Now, I'm not going to 'blame Clinton' for that, but I don't think Clinton's advisors ought to be telling anyone how to take back the government that we lost while they were in the White House.

[DaveinMD]

17. we gained seats

in both 1996 and 1998. 1994 was a disaster.

[Debi]

23. Thank you for clarifying

:hi:

[rrasile]

31. Carville

Wait, isn't that about the time he was trying to get into that Mary girl's pants. Maybe the party didn't get his all when he was in charge and he was the one at fault.
To each his own. I've always wondered how in the F*** he can live with that bitch. I would have choked that Bush S*** out of her long ago.

[orleans]

28. carville needs to come out of his denial and face the reality

that elections HAVE BEEN STOLEN!!!

i saw him slump down in his seat, hunching his shoulders like a complete defeatist on election night 2004 -- after all those "wrong" exit polls had kerry in the lead.

hey james! read "fooled again" by mark crispin miller and come back to the real world! get your shit together. leave your state of denial at home.

[blm]

2. Carville hasn't noticed that the GOP controls most broadcast media cuz he

is able to get on tv any time he wants.

He also doesn't believe in machine fraud, but does believe that only a southerner can win or a Clinton.

[OzarkDem]

8. Surely he knows the only reason he gets on tv

is because he's bashing Dems.

[blm]

14. I think it's a matter of being SO CLOSE and involved he is UNABLE to see.

In his mind, 1992 proved a southern, centrist Democrat can win, and he hasn't noticed that there is a whole new sheriff controlling the media since then.

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[ChiciB1]

4. Welcome To DU!! And Here's One Ringy-Dingy For Your

comments about Mary Mary quite "contrary"! Like fingernail on a chalk board listening to her speak. It's not just what she says, her voice actually turns me off, something about blowing through her nose or something!

Yeah, well I'm a bit peeved with these dupes myself! I say, move over and get out of the way of "our stampede" because I don't see them helping us out very much.

And while I'm at it.... Where the Hell is BILL CLINTON???? Oh, I remember... the ball park. Don't get me wrong, I think he did a "heck of a job" but he needs to be doing more right now! So C'mon Bill let's ratchet it UP!!!

[Dinger]

5. Clinton Needs To Say Something About The ABC * Whitewash/Blame 9-11 On

Bill Cinton bullshit tabloid movie, YESTERDAY! Why is he so fucking quiet on this? Why?

[tularetom]

6. Carville and his ilk are a big part of why Dems may not win in Nov.

This asswipe has done everything in his power to keep the people from gaining influence over the party and taking it out of the hands of his beltway butt buddies. He has openly and i suspect, not so openly tried to undercut Howard Dean and his opposition to turrncoat Dem Joementum has been nonexistent. The sooner he and his freakshow wife disappear from TV the better. Who the fuck needs him? And that goes for that dickbrain Beluga, Bob Shrum, Donna Brazil and the rest of the weak sisters they constantly parade out as Dems.

[ChiciB1]

15. You Know What's So Ironic About All Of This???

When Clinton won his first election, he was treated as an outsider... many didn't give him any credit at all and they went after him like gang-busters. You would think that having gone through some of this stuff, they would at least UNDERSTAND what is going on.

Basically they seem to be doing the very same thing to those whom they see as "newcomers" or "outsiders" and seem to have forgotten what it was like. Is this what happens to everyone in D.C.??

Of course, it could just be the Hillary thing and the fact that so many here at DU and other blogs just don't want her as a nominee. Still, as Democrats they seem to have lost that "big tent" idea along the way.

[bigdarryl]

7. Carvilles right the Dem's. could BLOW IT

There notorious for blowing elections. let hope it doesn't happen

[ChiciB1]

10. Well, There Are Many Hills We Are Having To Climb!!

I've been working since 2000 to get the truth out but I can't say even today that I've made much headway. I'm sorry if I'm a "downer" but we have so many road blocks in the way.

I work here locally, I blog, I phone, I sign petitions, I write letter, I make phone calls, I talk to people and I still have signs and bumper stickers on my car and on my mail box, but I still wonder!

If we lose again, I seriously want to move away but know I can't. I'm a "boomer" and have seen a lot of political situations come and go, but NEVER have I seen the likes of the past 6 years!!! And I realize there may be lurkers here who might read what I'm saying and are "laughing" at my distress, but what they don't get or haven't yet realized is... THEY TOO will have to pay in the end!!

Not ALL of them have enough money to weather the storm! And while I really don't want to say this, if the economy really goes bust, I swear before I help anyone, I'm going to ask them some serious questions about "their politics" and I won't give one red cent to a Repuke in need. There really DOES need to be some retribution for STUPIDITY!!

Let Them Eat Cake!!!

[MethuenProgressive]

9. James Carville is correct

"If we can't win in this environment, we have to question the whole premise of the party."
Love him or hate him, he's right about this.

[Debi]

12. What did James Carville to do keep our Democrats in office

in 1994, 1996, 1998? Sure, he worked to keep Clinton in office, but what did he do to ensure the House and Senate were protected? NOW he's going to tell Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Rahm Emmanuel that they better buck up? Look in the mirror, buddy - the work that you did didn't help this party any.

[DaveinMD]

18. we gained seats

in both 96 and 98.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

20. Dems won seats in '98. Surely you remember

snot-nosed d'amato going down in defeat & newt-the-eft resigning as Speaker of the House because of the repug losses, backlash over impeachment & rumors of adultory. But mostly he resigned because repugs lost.

[Debi]

24. Thanks

:hi:

[wyldwolf]

33. this is no disrespect to Debi... but...

Many on the left have been conditioned by others on the left to believe the Democrats haven't won anything in years.

In recent history, we lost the senate in 1982, but won it back in 1988.

We also, as has been said, won seats back in the house in 1996 and 1998.

[karynnj]

21. In 2004, he was always, either:

- Making what he thought were witty putdowns of Bush, that didn't convey the serious charges

-Complaining that Kerry wasn't Clinton and hoping well into the primaries - as Kerry won all but 4 - that there would be a brokered convention that would turn to Hillary as a savior. This wouldn't have been that bad except he and his side kick Begala were about the only Democrats on cable tv. (other than the wonderful Steward and Olberman)

[Debi]

25. Promoting himself and his $$ interests

rather than the Party :eyes:

[DemPopulist]

30. WTF?

I don't remember Carville or anyone outside of Dick Morris talking about a brokered convention and Hillary in '04. I think it was pretty clear that both Carville and Begala were wary of Dean, but they certainly weren't hostile to Kerry or Edwards (I was an Edwards supporter, btw).

Didn't Carville advise Kerry at some point in the fall campaign?

[DemPopulist]

34. He was helping a Democratic president

Bill Clinton was the public face of the Democratic party for eight years, and it isn't a coincidence that we lost seats when he was unpopular (1994) and gained some, though not enough, when he was (1996, 1998, 2000).

I'd argue that if Democrats in Congress - people like Nunn, Moynihan, Bob Kerrey, David Boren - hadn't undermined Clinton so much in 1993-94, he would've been perceived as a more successful president early in his term and we might not have lost Congress in '94.

[ChiciB1]

13. I Certainly Don't Disagree... As I Just Stated Above....

I'm not even thinking very "positive" but then again... what is HE doing to help??

As long as we don't have UNITY... we ARE SUNK!! And I don't see UNITY all that much. Emmanuel fights with Dean, here at DU people are always getting into "flame wars" and we just sit an BLOG!!

And lest we forget, very FEW of our so called leaders are actually out there "beating the drum" against The Royal Idiot and his corrupt cohorts!

If we lose, do we then FINALLY take to the streets??? I wonder. Hey, even Mexico has some "cojones" and stand up and say... No, We Will Fight... with or without shame!

[madfloridian]

19. Carville and Begala helped take certain Democrats down on TV

They did it publicly, daily, weekly, they blasted them.

Carville is only for the Clintons and himself, and the Cheney advisor he calls his wife. He is not funny anymore, he is the past.

Begala made fun of the putting workers in every state...saying they were hiring people to "pick their noses."

Their days of importance in the party are over...they get air time for that reason, I fear.

I am fed up with them.

[blm]

27. Carville ignores GOP control of media and voting machines - that's WISDOM?

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[DCCyclone]

38. Complaining about media & e-voting is bullshit......

Get over this conspiracy theory bullshit. With the exception of Gore, we really did lose all the elections we lost in recent years. It's really annoying to read Dems whining like this, it's fit for Free Republic not a reality-based community.

[blm]

40. So RFKJr and Bill Clinton are conspiracy whiners now?

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[DCCyclone]

39. Yup, I mostly agree, with one quibble......

I don't know about "the whole premise of the party," but we have to question the way we run our campaigns, individually and collectively. The uber-caution is the one thing that has me worried, especially in the realm of message development where our party leaders too often are too scared to say anything meaningful--they focus on not offending anyone rather than inspiring voters. But all that said I do think we'll take the House and pull even or within a seat of even in the Senate.

[Kingofalldems]

16. Carville is married to the enemy

For that reason he can't be trusted e.g. he should never be let in on strategy sessions. His wife has gotten on the pundit shows and lied repeatedly about Plame's covert status, even after Fitzgerald confirmed she was a covert agent.

[Generator]

22. Hillary Humpers

Whoa Nelly, thanks for the laugh.

Carville and his ilk, which unfortunately includes almost all of the mainstream Dem establishment DO NOT BELIEVE in things such as election problems. It's a conspiracy theory. It's a cop-out. They think nothing has changed since say 1995. There are no unanswered questions. No elections by supreme court decisons of ONE person. No questionable exit polling that didn't match up for the first time in history. No voting lists expunging oh say only African-Americans. No lack of voting equipment in the Democrat strongholds.

No, no,no, don't you GET it?

Bush won because of terror. (musn't cut and run on Iraq) Bush won on gay marriage (must not be for that either) Oh check out the pages of DU around November 3, 2004 up for a few good weeks. We lost because of OUR values. WE don't love God enough-thank you Senator Obama. We lost because we don't speak the "correct way" about abortion-thank you Howard Dean. We lost because Kerry wasn't MEAN enough. We lost we lost we lost.

If the Democrats don't win it must be all their fault. There is no Diebold. No electronic voting. No throwing away of votes. It's all us crazy theorists.

Oh, and mainstream places like Daily Kos-oh lauded site of all time don't allow this thinking neither. GET OVER IT. If the Dems don't win-don't expect any voting irregularties to be your answer. I think Democracy is dead. What are we going to do about it? What are we going to do about the polls giving the Dems a huge lead and then what about those miraculous last minute victories that swing the other way? And this time they don't need no stinking exit polls! Are you loco, senor? They were proved to be unworthy in 2004.

And Carville and the rest, including the majority on this site-will blame US-you and me-and the kids that didn't vote-(but they actually did in 2004). We are the problem. Not them. Not them and their lies, and false praying to Democracy. When all the Republicans care about is winnning by ANY MEANS necessary. In fact, there is someone from California that lost without all the votes counted. They don't need votes. (Hell Bush doesn't even need both houses to make something a law!)

They can just swear in the candidate and then they are legit! Voting is SO last millenium.

Tanks in the streets if we protest. No, we won't protest. We will do what good liberals always do-and blame ourselves.

But at least they gave it some trying in good old Mexico. No matter what happens, at least the Mexicans have some soul. I wish I could say the same for the majority of our party.

[hatrack]

26. He hosted a Scooter Libby fundraiser at his house - or allowed it

Given that, fuck him. FUCK HIM.

End of story.

[DemPopulist]

29. Uh, he's right

And I don't see anything wrong with what he said.

[Ninja Jordan]

32. DLC!!!!

ARRRRRRGH!

[DemPopulist]

35. Me?

[Ninja Jordan]

36. I guess, or Caville.

Just sarcasm on my part.

[DemPopulist]

37. That pisses me off

I've hated Al From since before most people on this board knew who he was......

[Greyhound]

41. "WHERE has he been??"

quietly living the life of a millionaire,but you'll start hearing him more and more, since it is nearing the time when the candidates for the '08 cycle are beginning to staff up.

Just like a week or two ago when the profoundly incompetent Donna Brazile started making noises about "problems with the Democratic Party".

Same ol', same ol'. :shrug: