He's right, I support the insurgents,,,,

[catnhatnh]

...I support them because he has left me no other course.No action of mine will change his course nor will the opposition of over 50% of loyal Americans...he has stated that we will NEVER leave Iraq while he is President.He and he alone, has turned this into a debacle that can not be stopped until enough americans oppose him-whether that number be 70 or 80 or 90%.If it requires torches and pitchforks at the gates of the White House or more, I want to be involved...Sadly, there is a number, whether it is 3 or 5 or 10k killed in his bullshit war...And at that point the nation will revolt and send his ass to the Hague, to face the war criminal charges he so richly deserves.My heart will break for each casualty until our nation stops him but until that day I can only await a return to sanity.....

[Sam Odom]

1. Sad post n/t

n/t

[Webster Green]

2. Given the choice between the chimp and the insurgents...

...sign me up.

I'm with you.

[Sam Odom]

4. There's a BIG difference between

being against * and SUPPORTING people killing GIs

[Webster Green]

6. The occupation is illegal...

The Iraqis have the right to defend themselves against the U.S.

Bring the troops home now.

[tocqueville]

9. there are no "Iraqis"

only a bunch of factions with sordid political agendas fighting eachother and the US at the same time. But that's a good reason enough to bring the troops home.

[Sam Odom]

10. Dude

The duly elected gov of Iraq have asked the U.S. to stay. Do I think we should be there? NO.

[tocqueville]

14. no, I don't think so

because it's in nobody's interest, except for a bunch of war profiteers and warmongerers. It's not in the Iraqi's interest either, because it's the main reason why genuine secular democratic forces cannot rise and solve the country's problems.

[Webster Green]

15. The elections were a sham...

...much like the ones here.

The occupation is a war crime.

[Sam Odom]

21. sham

perhaps, less of a sham than the ruling govt prior

[Webster Green]

26. Oh yeah, the guy we sold all the biological weapons to...

Dragged him out of his spider hole....blah...blah....blah...

The invasion, slaughter, and occupation are illegal.

The perpetrators are war criminals.

If it happened to me, I would be an "insurgent". You would be one too, I would bet.

Bring our troops home now! They are sitting ducks in the middle of a civil war, unleashed by our own insane war-chimp.

Deleted sub-thread.

Good nite.

[IndianaGreen]

12. Your beloved GIs have murdered 250,000 Iraqi civilians

My support of our troops is limited to bringing them home alive by ending this senseless war as quickly as possible and by prosecuting those for leading our nation into it.

[Sam Odom]

20. Question

The commander-in-chief of the armed forces says they aren't coming home.

My ?: You support the insurgents in killing the US GIs ?

[catnhatnh]

22. You are of course,correct....

I mean only that until some "larger" number die,our current government will dance to some "Looney Toon".El Loon (George Bush) insists that next week/month/year things will be dandy...this is my surrender post...there is no way I can slow or help the devastation there...therefore.what I know to be inevitable, I also hope to be swift.May God rest ALL their souls....

[Sam Odom]

23. God

"May God rest ALL their souls...."

I dont believe in a God/s I see no evidence of one :)

[Monkeyman]

3. Sorry Family there can not support you

End the War Now

[Rosemary2205]

5. I don't support either one.

Bush's idiot argument that we are either on his side or on the side of terrorists is just assinine.

[MADem]

16. Rather like "Either you love puppies, or you love gila monsters!"

What if you don't care for either?

It's a false choice he offers, but then, he's a false leader.

[donheld]

7. Reagan used to call insurgents "freedom fighters" n/t

[tocqueville]

8. you are making a fatal mistake

what the insurgents represent is not a democratic alternative to the US occupation, therefore they cannot be supported. You can only support the civilian population and ask for the troops to be brought back home.

Even if I understand your posture, it's totally counter-productive. It will be used to depict you as a traitor, a "Hanoi-Joe or Jane"...

Fighting for a troop departure is good enough. You don't have to take sides between a Bush administration on one side and a miwture of Baathists -Saddam nostalgics, religious fundie Shiites piloted by Iran and Al Quaeda vermin.

The Iraqis problem is that they don't have a Mandela or even a Kenyatta, not even an Arafat.

[catnhatnh]

13. I fully expected to be pointed to as a "Hanoi Jane" or worse...

but my actual post was meant to bring out the point that in the face of total Presidential intransigence, nothing on earth will change the course of the war until the people revolt.He has said that "nothing" will convince him he is wrong...he will kill 10 or 20 or 50k and until WE STOP HIM nothing will change...Let them attack me- (and no one has yet)If just one more person believes the Emperor is insane,the post was worth it.I support the insurgents only because our Representatives don't represent our desires....BRING THEM HOME.

[tocqueville]

19. I am going to tell you a sad story

in the late sixties/early seventies I knew a young woman, let say in her twenties who was as many in her generation appalled by the US war in Vietnam. This was in Europe, but there were many like her in her generation. She became politically active and engaged herself in the question of the war in Cambodia. She was very efficient and started support committees. She started to identify herself with the "insurgents" and was invited to Cambodia some year after the fall of Pnom Penh. She was of course shown all the "wonderful" things the regime did, but not the others. She came back to her country and reported it, was interviewed in the local media. She kept sending aid packages to Cambodia...

then the Pol Pot regime fell and the horrors started to really come out and couldn't be longer dissmissed as "propaganda". She went and saw "The Killing Fields"...

She committed suicide. She was in her early thirties.

I don't think you are in this situation. But it shows that the opposition to a war - even as frustrating it may be - doesn't have to result in a side taking for the other part, unless you are pretty sure that this other part represents the same values that you yourself defend.

[Sparkly]

11. Are you actually saying....

... you support killing of US troops, increasing the number of dead to a magic "sad number," so that Chimpy will be punished?

Just trying to understand...

[catnhatnh]

17. No Maam...

I'm saying I can find no way to stop it, and neither can you.If war was elective, we would already be out.But instead, a criminal resides in the White House....this criminal has reduced the bill of rights,lied and stolen,and promised our objections will be overridden....We are the lonely 60% until the next election.Until there is a draft or a casualty number that appalls even Dimsons supporters, we are screwed...the question is-since Bush says there will be no cease, how many must die until we oppose him enough?

[Sparkly]

18. What's that got to do with supporting insurgents? nt

[catnhatnh]

24. I suppose because...

there is no way our current leadership reaches it's goal of a "united" and "democratic" Iraq....Since "mere" majority opposition by citizens will not deter our leadership from this course,I can see no way we leave other than non-sustainable casualties...if you have a better idea I'll listen....

[Sparkly]

25. I sure DON'T wish for more casualties!!! nt

[catnhatnh]

27. Honest to God...

I don't want more.But I have to believe we require more.

[The Magistrate]

28. Locking

"Do not post messages that could be construed as advocating violence or military defeat against the United States, the U.S. military, US service people, or the people of the United States."