Carville is quoted as saying:

[lonehalf]

"We have to go back to 1974 (during Watergate) to find such a favorable environment," says James Carville, who ran Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign. "If we can't win in this environment, we have to question the whole premise of the party."

And I agree. If we lose in this environment we must completely change.

I would advocate purging every member of the DNC who is not an elected official.

But especially Howard Dean. I may be wrong but I think he is divisive and ineffective. He certainly gives the RW ammunition with his silly comments.

And Andrew Tobias and Philip Murphy, the two people who are responsible for the finances of the party.

While I still think we will win win both the House and Senate (and probably win more governors) these people must go if we don't.

[90-percent]

1. I like Dean

He fights and has courage and SHOWS SOME OPPOSITION.

It's the appeasement wimps I'm against.

-85% jimmy

[SharonAnn]

2. Uh, I disagree. Those are the Good Guys. It's the DLC that we need

to disempower. Howard Dean, Andrew Tobias, (and Philip Murphy) are doing what we need to do.

I think we want to draw distinctions between us and the Republicans. If that makes them mad, so much the better.

[lonehalf]

11. Making Republican mad is OK but...

...we're also making Democrats mad.

I do polling in Georgia for my local Democratic Committee and I can tell you that in Georgia we are losing.

If we are going to have a 50 state strategy I don't know how we can just write off the South.

[The Deacon]

22. In MY Georgia

Our Liberal Democratic Representative is in agreement with Dean. In the OTHER Georgia (Atlanta) they selected a Party of Hate clone to replace a real Democrat thanks to bagfulls of Party of Hate cash.

[WhiteTara]

30. If you're losing in Georgia, you aren't using

the correct words. How about Ralph Reed,Ralph Reed,Ralph Reed,Ralph Reed

BTW, Howard Dean is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party in a long time. He is effective at spreading the money and resources and help to all the counties in the 50 states. Not just the few Terry (I got rich on Global Crossing) McAuliffe focused on and lost in the past two presidential cycles.

Welcome and Good luck in your stay here at DU :hi:

[karynnj]

35. It is highly unlikely that anyone could lead a Democratic win of Georgia

right now. Consider how foolish you would find a Republican plan that focused on winning Massachusetts. Any election where we are winning Georgia will be a landslide.

In my Republican county in a Democratic state, success is often defined as holding down the Republican margins so the Democrats in Democratic counties easilly produce greater margins leading to a state wide Democratic win.

A sensible goal in Georgia, might be having a sufficiently motivated Democratic party that there are good well supported candidates for all winnable seats who have the resources to win. Additionally, good candidates with support in non-winnable areas can gradually change the dynamic and if a Republican candidate falls apart, they can possibly pick up an impossible seat. The other effect is on the popular vote, which is important for bragging rights. Losing Georgia by less and winning California by more both help the popular vote.

I think the key is NOT who plays best in Georgia, but who plays best in NH, Iowa, MO, VA, NM, AZ, OH, FL etc - the swing or almost swing red states. Unless there is a Republican landslide, the very blue states are ours. To win you need to add in enough states to win. The best candidates are not the RED RED states but the swing or close to swing states. (Likewise, only in a Democratic landslide are the very red states (like Georgia) at risk.) Again, do the Republicans try to assure their candidate can play in Massachusetts?

[Wiley50]

79. Diebold is Playing Georgia

And we can't come back there until Diebold is outta there

[Hippo_Tron]

71. Georgia hasn't had Republican control for enough time to wake up yet

Remember, Georgia was solidly democratic until 2002. The states in which we have the potential to pick up seats have been under GOP control for a few years now and they are waking up and realizing that it sucks. Georgia has only had Sonny Perdue for 3 and 1/2 years now and they still think it's the greatest thing ever. As soon as the Republican officials are indicted for something or people get tired of them screwing up the middle class, Georgia will come back to our side. It's just going to take some time.

[Toots]

88. Isn't Zell Miller one of your Democrats?

You ask about a 50 state strategy yet trash the man who proclaimed it. We need to bring attention to the things that make us Democrats not how much like Republicans we are....

[Joanne98]

91. GET RID OF YOUR DIEBOLD MACHINES!

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[Kurovski]

43. Oh, so it's a tag team then.

Welcome and good luck.

[me b zola]

69. Amazing, isn't it n/t

[Kurovski]

78. Also, it would seem, inevitable.

Election time draws nigh--always a "fun" time for that sort of sport.

[lumpy]

53. We have to evaluate the effectiveness of

this nation of decadent fools who go to the polls to support an incompetent fool.

[Sparkly]

4. "divisive," "ineffective," "silly comments?"!?

Have you ever listened to Ken Mehlman????

[goclark]

5. Carville sure has not helped us make gains IMO

He is too busy sleeping with the enemy.

[nickshepDEM]

63. Carville is one of my political idols. He was brilliant in 1992

If you dont agree, go out and rent 'The War Room'. He revolutionized Presidential campaigns.

With that said, I say fuck em'. He doesnt seem to want to help. He refuses to get back into campaigning. Fuck em'.

[Hippo_Tron]

72. I feel the same way

I firmly believe that Carville could've won the election for Kerry had he been but in charge. But Carville was put on a short leash by his wife and Kerry wasn't willing to be ordered around by someone who knew the game better than he did.

[Warpy]

6. Yeah, you're wrong about Dean

Don't forget that he did get elected, and only a hatchet job by party conservatives kept him from a good showing in the national race.

If you're going to purge the party's leadership, start with all those Eisenhower Repugs that form the DLC. They're the ones "packaging" candidates as bland and conservative in their chase for the fictional Repug swing voter. In the meantime, they've turned off the party base and they've managed to shut the party out of all 3 branches of government.

Party conservatives are the problem. Purging the real Democrats won't be the solution.

[PresidentWar]

59. Amen. Dean was right all along.

And I was here in 2004 when the real fire throwing was going on. In retrospect, I can see that Dean was too enlightened for the Democrats at the time. The Democratic Party had to go out yet again and act more like rethugs than not them, to see that this is indeed a losing gambit. And in order for that to happen, they had to triangulate and hatchet Dean. Which they did.

I applaud Dean going after these pink tutu assholes with a vengence and getting them the hell out of the party.

[madfloridian]

7. Carville and Begala...

One worked to overthrow Chavez, and the other thinks Democrats in Utah and Nevada stand around picking their noses.

Here we go.

[Kurovski]

80. Begala also likes to say Bush won "fair and square" in 2004.

Is he uninformed, delusional, or complicit? Hardly matters anymore, as he has zero help to offer Dems.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

8. what silly comments? seriously, please give examples.

The only divisions that have occured are with that POS Rahm Immanuel from my nape of the forest. Frankly there is no comparison between the two.

Rahm
egotistical, smart, smarmy, Clintonite, rude, abrassive, ineffectual and wrong on many issues. A power hungry who reminds me more of Lee Atwater than a concerned public servant. He would rather piss on another Dem if that Dem does not kneel and bow to the DLC.

Dean
smart, experienced, pragmatic and philosophical at the same time. He leads by hard work, example, finding good people and bringing them up, and by forcing the Dems to contest every state, every office, every issue.

We are lucky to have Dean. The DNC is not the problem, the DLC is.

[lonehalf]

14. Examples? Count the Semate and House.

Not to mention the Presidency.

[Sparkly]

19. What comments did he make about Senate, House, and Presidency

that were "silly?"

[tkmorris]

50. You ARE aware of course

That Dean has absolutely zero to do with the current makeup of the House, the Senate, and the White House right? You do know when Dean started as DNC chair right?

[Sparkly]

58. That's why I assume he had to be talking about "comments"....

... or if not, he could explain what he actually is referring to (or not)!

[Samantha]

92. And there you have the party split

RAHN and CARVILLE equal HILLARY PROPONENTS. READ DLC, New Dem, the so-called party elite.

DEAN is a GORE proponent (silent, of course). Read trying to help the little man and little woman or the base of the party. Called populists by the so-called elite.

Of course Begala would say Bush* won fair and square in 2004. He understood that a no-contest by the Dems in 2004 that allowed a second Bush* term guaranteed an easy ride for Hillary in 2008. The fix was in fact in. And that's why the DLC publicly came out and asked Gore not to run.

[Straight Shooter]

9. *snort*

:rofl:

[napi21]

10. WRONG!!!! Dean iis one of themotivators of our Patry!

Every time I think about who I'd like to see gone, I think of Donna Brazille, and all the other old time talking heads who show up on all the darn cable shows now. Sure, there are some I wish wouldn't get re-elected, but they all are associated with the DLC.

After all, It was the DLC's idea not to bother campaigning in the Southern States, wasn't it?

[tularetom]

12. Carville has all but advocated adopting the repub platform

for the last 3 elections. To varying degrees many Dem candidates have followed his advice. Look where it got our last 2 presidential nominees. His statement is correct but people like him, not Howard Dean, are the element of the party that needs to be purged. He's an ineffectual beltway insider, more concerned with maintaining his position on the A-list cocktail party circuit than getting Dems elected. Besides, he's starting to resemble the hideous freak he's married to. The party needs to get rid of Carville, Bob Shrum, Al Frum, Donna Brazil and a few others - it needs to start listening to Howard Dean.

[madfloridian]

13. Busy poster.

Very active proclaiming progressiveness in a states' rights post in this forum.

Progressives don't usually quote Carville with such passion...not usually.

Attacking Tobias and Murphy is a little much, don't you think?

[madfloridian]

15. Didn' t you just post a thread attacking Hillary also?

I think you did. Anger issues?

[Union Label]

61. The OP sounds kind of freeperish

And probably anger issues, but directed at us.

[The Deacon]

16. Purging Howard Dean

Brings up two questions:
1. Are we about "winning at all costs" or should the Party stand for something? Howard Dean stands for taking the fight to the enemy, honoring our traditional values & defending them. For too long we have meekly allowed the Party of Hate to determine the terms of the debate. We then meekly accept the crumbs left over to us by the Party of Hate. For too long we have allowed Karl Rove to display our testicles in a glass case on his mantleplace. Howard Dean's "in your face" style has brought has to where we are - Weak Sister candidates who are more concerned about "giving the RW ammunition" are what reduced us to a National Joke in electorial politics. Anyone who believes in the old "winning at all costs" strategy might as well give up on any chance of becoming the Majority Party & sign on to the Lieberman campaign - I'm sure Karl Rove will throw you a few bones for being such a good little lapdog.

2. Is the Democratic Party to stand for Democracy or for the same "behind the scenes" appointment standards as the Party of Hate? Howard Dean was elected Chair in a fair election. Ned Lamont was elected in a fair & legal Primary. Those who quiver in their boots & wet themselves worrying about "giving the RW ammunition" have already conceded the election to the Party of Hate. They should immediately write out a donation to the Lieberman campaign & hope that Karl Rove will let them have a few crumbs for being such a LOYAL Opposition.

[Zensea]

17. Purging every member?!?

Regardless of which side you are on, that would severely limit the pool of participants.
The idea is to have more people involved, not fewer.
Democracy not oligarchy.
Nice choice of the word purge, since your idea is on the side of oligarchy.

[MissWaverly]

18. Mr. Carville, enjoy your comments from the backseat

We are driving, and realize that the backseat driver is always the expert. Step on the Gas!

[William769]

20. Anyone who does not tow the line to get Democrats elected this November

Needs to be purged from the Democratic party.

[Jim Sagle]

21. Begone, smelly troll!

Dean rox and u suk. (Mispelling for emphasis.)

[MasonJar]

23. We haven't had an election since Dean became the head of the

DNC. He has a good plan to build the party in all states, especially from the local level. If Ohio had not had Blackwell, Kerry would be president and ditto for Gore with Harris and Florida in 2000. Sometimes it takes awhile to rebuild. I know we do not have time with the country and the world in such trauma; however, Dean cannot do everything in 2 years. We must do the rest. Emily's List, which does great work for pro-choice Democratic women, has had the local, state and federal approach for years.

[madfloridian]

24. Do some searching, folks, before taking the bait.

A search for author in this forum would be good.

[karynnj]

25. I think Dean is doing a great job in

strengthening local grassroots - which are essential. Dean, by the way WAS an elected official - he was Governor of VT for 12 years. You can't get much more elected than that! (A CURRENT elected official makes no sense - you want some one highly skilled. You can't be both head of the DNC and a Governor or Congressman.

As to divisive and ineffectual - that takes chutzpah when you start your post with a Carville quote. Carville and Begala were both ineffectual and divisive throughout the last 5 years. Their snarky Bush cracks likely didn't convince anyone not already against Bush. Their reluctance to learn anything about the 2004 candidate's record made them useless - both simply whined that he wasn't like Bill Clinton. (That they were still postulated a Hillary triumph at a brokered convention after Kerry had many commanding primary wins.) Dean, to his credit, was an excellent suffogate - who was able to speak very convincingly on Kerry's positions.

[90-percent]

28. This is a no brainer

If the Democrats don't achieve a majority in the House this election, then everything Americans fought and died for from the Revolution to the present day will have been in vain!

If Dem's loose, then all us Americans have chosen to turn the USA into a TOTALITARIAN FASCIST POLICE STATE RULED BY A KING.

-85% Jimmy

[garybeck]

38. What if they win but they lose?

election theft is real

[karynnj]

39. That's true BUT could the problem be that the lame Carville and Begala

are the main Democrats represented on TV.

Every race will come down to the candidates, the support they have and the media. Dean is most responsible for the support - and he seems to being doing a good job on that. He also gets some media exposure - where he has been far less bad (and often very good) than the op suggested. The media is not a friend of the Democrats - they will even take perfectly legitimate comments out of context. (or make up context not there - as in the AP articles on Kerry's well written email in support of Strickland - people should note that the author avoids quoting Kerry - other than one sentence.)

Dean is doing his best - are Begala or Carville? Or are they trying to be snarky and clever?

[mmonk]

26. The party is probably gone if we don't capture either

the House or Senate. It most assuredly will spinter at least into two or half will leave for the Greens. The country will be in further jeopardy also if the party fails this time.

[JohnnyRingo]

27. I like Howard Dean

I've agreed with every word he's said.
I think the right jumps on everything he says in an attemp to pre-empt his message, which is dangerous to their party.

I don't recall anything silly, just calling Republicans liars.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. "He certainly gives the RW ammunition with his silly comments."

You're kidding, right?

He gives the right wing ammunition???? Give me a break. I don't give a shit who's in that role, the RW will always attack.

Dean does a pretty eeffective job, if you ask me. How are his comments 'silly'? You can't just throw that line out there and add no clarity to what you see as silly.

You know what's silly? The whole 'kick 'em out' part of this thread. Give it a rest.

As for changing the party if we don't win. I agree. We need to go HARD left and make the contrast between the RW and our side much sharper.

[WhiteTara]

31. Hard Left! n/t

[GrpCaptMandrake]

36. There! Yes! That's it!

We must have a leader who is unafraid to truly lead. That leadership will never come from a "centrist" or a "moderate" because those people are too busy seeing which way the wind is blowing to ever take a principled stand.

The war was wrong in the beginning. It's wrong now. It will be wrong in its future.

A two dollar raise in the minumum wage is a sop. We need a living wage for the working poor.

A fossil fuel future is no future at all.

Healthcare is irretrievably broken. It's time for a new method.

The assault on labor must END. Freedom of association means real freedom to unionize.

George Bush MUST be punished for his crimes, preferably following a thorough trial in the Hague.


Interestingly, Rocky Anderson hit every single one of those themes in SLC this past Wednesday.

[Stinky The Clown]

46. Mr. Group Captain .......

I agree!

All that and more.

On your single point about the Hague ..... that's why I've never been fond of the notion of censure. The man MUST be impeached, charged criminally after that, and then turned over to the World Court. The world will never respect us as they once did unless we do that.

[WhiteTara]

76. Rocky is a true inspiration!

It is time that the leaders are starting to lead. They have been following for such a long time. I have been proud of KO too. We must not let up. Everyday we have to press forward with truth and facts.

If we can make our votes count, change is a coming, I can feel it in the wind.

[Gman]

32. Its not like Ken Mehman is uniting this country

Mehlman's rhetoric is uncomparably more inflammatory than anything Dean says or does. Mehlman lies, spins, distorts and masters half-truths. As far as I can tell, Dean tells nothing but the truth. The RW thinks that's a bad thing. I have no desire to not speak truth to power and if that's divisive then so be it.

Too many people here think if we don't completely take the House and Senate we have failed. I think we must and we should take a significant number of seats. But remember if any of these House races are within 10% its stealable. That we cannot help. Our only recourse is to take it to the streets a la Mexico.

And this "1974 environment" will not end in November. It will go on through at least 2008.

[leesa]

33. I think you are completely wrong. It is the DLC who have divided the

party. The DLC has made voters unable to differentiate between Republicans and Democrats by their foolish desire to be like Repulicans. It has caused voters to stay home in droves. It has caused voters to say there is no difference between the two. Carville is part of the problem. Dean has been a much-needed breath of fresh air for the Democratic Party.

[William769]

34. How many suckers can one thread hold?

I suggest doing a search on these quotes. Fascinating!

On Edit Spelling.

[garybeck]

37. This is all wrong.

If they lose it will not be because of the party, it will be because of election theft.

Howard Dean is part of the solution, not the problem.

[The Wielding Truth]

40. Purging is not a smart move unless there is mass harm done,

Dean is a good consistent speaker who carries our message. Fighting for fair press is the problem. Money and greed and fear is driving the Repug Party. We have the truth , integrity, and common sense. That is sometimes not as persuasive.

[biscotti]

41. Howard Dean is my voice!

I use to love Carville but he has become very mediocre and convoluted. Too much Mary Madwoman syndrome. He is yesterday, like the weak Schrum.

[Kurovski]

42. Yeah, if we don't win, let's change to Republicans.

Oh, and let's be certain to ignore any overwhelming election "anomolies" if we don't win. that would also be to the liking of Republicans, and all Republican wannabes, such as dear Joe Lieberman. Also be sure to ignore every fucking lie spread in the corporate media.

And now, my real feelings about such a remarkably self-destructive idea as that you have presented to people living in a nation rapidly descending into Fascism:

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[blue cat]

44. Howard Dean

is great for our party. He called them silly on KO, and I think that is what he needs to do. They are bullies, and he understands that we need to attack back.

[Guaranteed]

45. Your hunch about being wrong is correct.

What you're missing here is that the reason the party is still having such problems is the carryover in the public's perception from past years that Dems don't stand for anything. Howard Dean is here to change that, but you're going to have to be patient. It's a long-term perception issue, so it's going to take serious work.

We have to rebuild our integrity. That takes time.

[mitchtv]

47. Dean speaks for me

[OzarkDem]

48. Disagree, strongly

Dean has been the only Dem leader to move the party forward, everyone else is still stuck with the same strategies that have failed the last several years.

Thanks goodness he doesn't seem to pay much to the naysayers and old school beltway Dems.

[Greyhound]

49. Please don't feed the troll... n/t

[kentuck]

51. Are you crazy?!

Purge the one Democrat that is holding this Party together? That would be real smart!

[Arugula Latte]

52. Oh, please.

Cower in fear, liberals! We can't offend Republicans! *Gasp* They might be MEAN to us!

:eyes:

[sendero]

54. You couldn't be more wrong..

... it's not the DNC and Dean, it's the DLC and corporatist Dems that are no better than Republicans on economic issues and the voters know it.

[dsc]

55. I took a little look

and saw that we gained 3 seats in the Senate in 1974. We need 6 now. That would be twice as many.

[mtnester]

56. Carville?

Hee hee.

Living under a bridge tends to make one slightly out of touch as well, dontcha think?

[WCGreen]

57. What the hell are you talking about...

For the first time since the 1980's, Democratic candidates are on an equal fundraising foot with the Republicans....

[PresidentWar]

60. You're completely wrong about Dean.

He was the opposite of what you say. He actually gave Democrats a fire in their belly that they havent had in years, and a real chance at taking back some power. Perhaps you were watching Jimmy Dean. It's easy to get confused.

[Vidar]

62. Bravo Howard Dean! Another infiltrator on ignore.

[AX10]

64. I must agree that if we can't win now, when can we win?

[Capn Sunshine]

66. A corollary to that

Don't listen to agenda-driven moles who think dropping a name will allow them to stir up all kinds of shit

[pratzen]

82. Who's "we" when elections end and law-making begins?

"...if we can't win now, when can we win?"
More depends on who the represented "we" turns out
to be when the election is over. Right now, it looks like K
Street and the corporate round-table underwrite both parties
and will continue to control Congress (on key issues)like the
puppeteer behind a curtain controls his hand puppet show.

[Capn Sunshine]

65. How long do you think you can last here?

Very transparent agenda.

[silverweb]

67. You're kidding, right?

Howard Dean is the ONE person capable of energizing real-life working Democrats across the board.

If you think he's "divisive and ineffective", you haven't been paying attention -- or you're working for the opposition.

It's not Dean's DNC but the DLC that's undermining the majority of Democrats and working people by being a corporate tool.

[TankLV]

68. Bullshit! If it wasn't for Dean, we'd have NO opposition and no gains

in the elections!

But glad you just joined up to tell us all what to do - especially in becomming a branch of the repuke party!

You are very transparent.

We will do no such thing as you contemplate.

We are the DEMOCRATIC WING of the Democratic Party.

I can guess which party YOU belong to!

[me b zola]

70. Dean uses logic & reason, making rethugs look like the liars that they are

Now shoo. yer smelling up the board.

[marions ghost]

73. oh c'mon

not very creative...Dean MUST be doing something right if he's got snipers after him.

:boring:

[WA98296]

74. Bullshit, it's the DLC that needs to join the Republican party officially.

Rather than hiding under a D label.

[zulchzulu]

75. I look at the media's lack of having an even message as the problem

I'm sick and tired of people saying the usual claptrap that "the Democrats aren't doing anything", that "the Democrats don't have any solutions", that "the Democrats just hate Bush because they want to get back for Clinton"...

It's bullshit.

The MSM does not have a level playing field for progressive Democrats to be part of the debate on the issues. It's plain as day. Look at the logs of guests on the news shows and see the great imbalance.

Howard Dean is doing a great job, but you rarely ever see him on TV for more than a minute or so.

Without the Fairness Doctrine coming back, it's always going to be a huge uphill fight for progressive messaging. All Bush has to do is release a fake story about an impending terrorist attack near the election and the MSM will promptly drop any political "balanced" discourse and fall right in line with the Repuglican/Pentagon Fear Message...

[AX10]

77. I agree that because of this it will be very difficult to win elections.

[w4rma]

81. No. The Demoratic Party doesn't need any "purges". (nt)

[JNelson6563]

83. Bwaahaahaa!!!!!

Spoken as only a member of the many, the proud, the clueless can.

Remarkable!

[wiley]

87. I say we blindfold him, and spin him round and round

He'll think he's the lonehole. Silly Smorkin Labbit!

[tsuki]

84. I cannot believe how badly the RW wants Dean gone.

First, he's ignored, then railed about, and now, reasoned discourse.

Sounds like he's doing a fine job.

[Kurovski]

85. What's even harder to believe is how badly some corporatist Democrats

want Dean removed.

Remarkable.

tsuki, you're correct, he is doing a fine job and activating the party from coast to coast.

[wiley]

86. Dean?

Ken Mehlman is the best thing that has ever happened to the Republican Party, at least for Democrats! Dean is the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party. At least for Democrats. How you doing, sucker?

[ce qui la baise1]

89. Seems to me those in office the longest are the problem

They tend to be more likely to play the game. Lobbioply.
New blood is what we need. That and a more solid plan.
I think Dean's ability to be tough is just what we need.

Some think if we win in 06 it will be harded to win in 08.
Because then it will be easier to blame Dems. Republican
voters will also take the defensive & vote for their own
party. Of course this is all speculation. But.....

[Joanne98]

90. Six years of stolen elections BUT it's Howard Dean's fault...

Well, I've wondered about Carville for years but he just convinced me. He's a SABOTEUR!

[lyonn]

93. You think purging all those that want to try something

different than what the talking heads, Donna Brazile, Begala and all those that represented and advised the Dem. losers of the last 6-10 years would be helpful?

Could be very wrong, but, Gore and Kerry would have done better without those oh so smart advisers. Dean didn't get all that attention from being boring. It was because he had something to say. What happened in Iowa and New hampshire was some bizarre stuff in my opinion. Of all the harping about the bush election bs, there was something unusual with the NH primary and the Iowa Caucus, especially the Caucus. It seemed like the Dem. powers that be had a plan and Dean in particular didn't fit their plan. Clark was a problem for awhile since he was gathering steam but they banished him fairly quickly.

Let's be careful with this purging theory. I'll take any Dem., but let's not purge any!

[The Magistrate]

94. Locking

Flame-Bait, and fairly successful flame-bait at that.