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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:30 PM
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A Google bomb is a BAD idea!
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 12:33 PM by AZBlue
So now we're taking our cues from FOX News?? Oh, come on!

If you do it, you're playing right into their hands. It will make us look foolish and childish and will give them just one more thing to make fun of - it's probably why they made the announcement all along, hoping we'd fall for it. It also seriously erodes the reputation of DU.

I can't believe anyone here would actually play into their hands like that!





(edited for typo)
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:31 PM
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1. I agree with that...
well said. :applause:

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:58 PM
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68. google nannies!
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Sam Odom Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:31 PM
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2. Agree n/t
n/t
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:32 PM
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3. Fox news didn't suggest it, a DUer did. Hume just picked it up
and gave us a lot of exposure. AND brought it to the attention of a lot of DUers who missed the original post (which only had 15 responses at the time)
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:34 PM
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5. A BAD idea no matter who suggested it.
Do you have a link to that post? Because no one here yesterday knew what he was talking about - seems strange (and scary) if FOX News knows what's going on here more than DU'ers do.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:52 PM
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13. The link is in the thread on this that is on the home page.
By the way, it isn't a BOMB! It just links to something. Really not that scary.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:33 PM
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4. Didn't we lead the way in google-bombing "santorum"?
I really don't give a flying rat's ass what "they" think of us. I don't think DU's reputation is eroded in the least by google-bombing this Path to 9/11 thing, not at all.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:49 PM
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12. I missed the earlier one. Sorry to hear about it.
eom
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:35 PM
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6. This guy is ranking out DU over Google Bomb suggestion
I wonder if he's going to update his post to note this conversation...?

http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/2006/09/path-to-911-liberal-activism-dummie.html

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Hey, the liberal light is always on at the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say "hi!"

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:48 PM
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11. What guy? Who are you talking about??
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:03 PM
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19. Referring to the guy or gal who runs the site linked to in my prev. pos
S/he says "The funniest of liberal responses come from our friends at the Democrat Underground who have threatened to Google Bomb the internet with 'their side'.."
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Hey, the liberal light is always on at the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say "hi!"
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:50 PM
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26. Ah!! Gotcha! Thanks.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:28 PM
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72. Hahahahahaha! That schmuck regurgitates absolute shit!
Ooooh...but let's not say anything, in case we might piss the little loser off!!!!

He thinks MLK would be GOP today--never mind all of his acolytes who still live, from Jackson to Conyers and beyond, are all Democrats. Never mind that Martin's daddy endorsed JFK in 1960....

I sure do loooove me that revisionist history, especially when the subject is no longer around to refute it!


And he just loves Jack Murtha too...yeah, we should REALLY pay attention to what that little asswipe says!
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:36 PM
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7. It's unethical on its face.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:46 PM
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24. Oh please. Like GOOGLE With all their shitty ads and lousy links
is somehow ETHICAL???

Come on. It's a search engine. This is POLITICS. Thick skin helps.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:00 PM
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30. Wait? Who's the enemy here? Google or the GOP?
eom
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:12 PM
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33. Google is just a TOOL, they aren't good or bad, they are just there
Hammers don't have feelings. Neither do screwdrivers. They won't worry if your behavior towards them is "ethical" or not.

But a hammer over the GOP head is a good thing, and a screwdriver in the Rightwing party ear can be excruciating. If we use GOOGLE to direct fundie children to the real truth about Nine Wun Wun, that is an appropriate use of the tool.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #33
49. So why were you raging at google earlier?
Me thinks you just need something to rage at.
Try yoga.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:00 PM
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69. I wasn't raging at them at all. They are a TOOL, as I said
They certainly have no cachet of their own. They deserve no particular respect or censure (beyond their chickenshit behavior in CHINA, that is).

Google is a tool that is like a hammer--you can use it to smash open an eggshell of GOP falsehood to reveal an egg yoke of Democratic truth trapped behind the shell.

It exists to make its owners MONEY, and they LOVE it when we use their tool. I owe it no affection, no hate, and no particular loyalty. If it stops doing what I want it to do, I will drop it like a hot potato.

Stop taking this matter so personally. There are people here who are tired of the "Sit down, shut up, and don't piss off Brit Hume or you will be punished" approach. I and others are in this "We've Had Quite ENOUGH" camp.

You aren't, obviously. But you have nothing to fear but fear itself.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:23 PM
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70. Riiiiight
Have a nice day!
:hi:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:28 PM
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73. RIF!
:hi:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:38 PM
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8. Do you have any actual arguments or is this just another call for
capitulation? That has worked so well for us these last 25 years or so, just ignore them and they'll go away. :eyes:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:47 PM
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10. You must have missed my earlier posts.
In which I urged people to sit through the nauseating piece of crap, outline each and every lie, and continue to fight back after it's been aired to (1) let the ABC's/Disney's of the world know we are onto them and (2) educate our fellow Americans who may have been mislead by the falsifications parading as truth.

Or the ones in which I encouraged DU'ers to write, call, and e-mail Disney and ABC and listed contact information as well as each and every company owned or affiliated with the Disney Corp.

Or the post I tried to put on the ABC blog (they wouldn't post it) in response to the "terrorist lovers" comment.

Or...oh, never mind, I'm sure you're right, I'm just hoping we'll all roll over and take it lying down.:sarcasm:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:23 PM
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21. OK now I'm really confused, ABC censored your opinion, demonstrating
that they have no interest in differing opinions, while they feel entitled to disseminate pure propaganda.

Yet you think that this action is bad because "it plays into their hands"? How? It's not like Faux News, or their imitators, is going to give us any good press no matter what we do, and at least this has the merit of garnering exposure to a reasonably large audience that otherwise would never hear anything about the protest.

The only bad press is no press.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:49 PM
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25. It plays into the Republicans hands.
eom
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:06 PM
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32. For the third time, how? n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:20 PM
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36. Would you please join me at the barricades, as well? (see post 34) NT
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:33 PM
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37. Right there with you brother (or sister as is appropriate)!
From last night;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2816208&mesg_id=2816264

I'm becoming more and more concerned that the capitulators and corporatists will force another civil war in this country. They just refuse to see where this failed strategy inevitably leads. :grr:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:43 PM
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HA!!!!! You sure are...you beat me there!!!!! NT
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #32
46. I've already explained - several times. Not doing it yet again.
Try reading the thread.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #46
64. I have and you have explained nothing. You have repeated the same
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 04:28 PM by greyhound1966
non-responses over and over, but they don't explain any anything. Yes the GrandOilParty will use it, and if we didn't do it they would use something else, and if there was nothing else they would make it up.

The idea of "not stooping to their level" has resulted in nothing but failure for over 40 years, how much longer will it take for the notion that it doesn't work to sink in?

The bottom line is this:
We are in a war with those that would force us into servitude for their own purposes and they could not care less about the consequences of their crime. They have no mercy, no feelings, and literally don't care if we live or die!

Compromise is only possible when both parties are interested in reaching a mutual understanding, they have shown again and again, that they are not interested in compromise, they are only interested in victory and they will dictate all of the terms.

We are in a no-holds-barred, winner-take-all, war and you had better get about the business of winning, or you will end up as just another casualty that none of them gives two shits about.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #64
71. oh, ok, thanks for clearing that up
Have a nice day.
:hi:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:44 PM
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9. It's a way to get factual information out to dispute the
inaccuracies that will come from the "movie".

Why is that bad?

Go to google, type in "failure", click "google search"; how do you think that got to be the first link in the search?

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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:52 PM
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14. A good idea is a good idea
Even if it comes from Faux News. :hi:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Don't worry. It didn't come from Faux. There are a lot of threads
everyday. Most people, even Skinner, miss some.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 12:53 PM
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15. it's a very bad idea ...
if we don't like what a certain newspaper is printing, should we go to all the newstands and burn them down or steal all the newspapers?

no one has a right to restrict the public's access to information even if we think that information is distorted ... the proper vehicle to combat the lies should be through the legal system and through "counter education" ... we can make our own case to the American people without blocking their right to hear and watch whatever they choose to hear and watch ...

having said that, i must give great credit to the online political community for shining such a bright spotlight on the ABC film's distortions about 9/11 ...

ask yourself this: did Brit Hume and Fox news uncover the truth about the film and fight to have the errors corrected? so much for fair and balanced, eh?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. But how does google bombing block people's right to hear?
In fact, wouldn't google bombing serve your call for "counter education" by sending more googlers to sites that refute the lies of the movie?
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:18 PM
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20. well, that's a good question ...
my view is that the intent of google bombing is to make alternative views inaccessible ... it's sort of like putting so many huge piles of "your" newspapers all around the newstand that readers looking for other papers can't get to the one they came to buy in the first place ...

so, while i agree with you that google bombing is indeed "counter education", i think it's main intent is obstruction rather than competition ... just as we on the left rightly abhor the excessive centralization of the MSM, google bombing seems to be guilty of the very same form of control ...
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:53 PM
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27. You're right - the goal is not to help educate people.
It's to create an obstruction and a deterrent. And that's a huge point - do we really want to lower ourselves to their level?
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:43 PM
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39. Totally disagree.
It doesn't obstuct anything. All it does is make it more likely for the search term to lead to a truthful web page.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
74. No, it doesn't obstruct alternate points of view
The google bomb is only the first thing that pops up, not the only thing.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 05:05 PM
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88. Except that this may be our only weapon against the corporate media
We have to fight back with the truth. And if the media is so overwhelmingly biased to the right, we must have a way to combat it. Free speech is free speech, whether it is on the Internet or in the print and electronic media. So we Google bomb to get our voice heard. Seems like a good idea to me, given what we are up against.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:01 PM
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17. I think we should scratch the google bomb and stick with...
operation bit swap....

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:34 PM
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22. Actually, we're NOT taking a cue from fox; fox "reported" what
was posted at DU.

And as someone once said, "Let's take a page from the Republicans here - when they don't like something, they are LOUD. And don't give up. And, unlike the Reps, we have the truth on our side, so we have even more reason to speak out."

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. This isn't speaking out. It's simply creating a nuisance.
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 01:57 PM by AZBlue
I still stand by that statement - but it doesn't apply to a Google bomb.

If someone wants to look this up, once they know about a planned "bomb," they won't google it - they'll just go to ABC's site directly. Is that really what we want them to do.

Once again, it's a case of a reactionary plan coming around to shoot us in the foot. We're hurting our own cause. Again.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Sure it applies, it's taking control of the debate and the
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 02:24 PM by Cerridwen
dissemination of information.

It's an old, old political strategy using "new" technology.

Take a look at what goes on in the corporate media given the filter on the news provided by the corporations. Is that news? Is it accurate? See much of the Democratic message out there? They've choked off the information in favor of their own biases. Google bombing is the internet version of the same.

edit: missing word





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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. Please, join me at the barricades!!!! (see post 34) NT
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #28
89. But it is just our opinion.
When I Google for information, I check out what the sources of info are. I speed past any that look suspicious. It is up to the Googler to do this. We are just supplying our information. AND if it gets out there, so much the better for our point of view, which is often denied in the corporate media. I would say we HAVE to do this!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:44 PM
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23. Uh, why is calling a piece of shit, a piece of shit, a BAD THING?
I don't live my goddamn life worrying about what assholes at FAUX think. AT ALL.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #23
29. I think you've missed my point entirely.
1) I couldn't care less what Fox News thinks. We're playing into the GOP's hands, not Fox News, and they will use this against us. I'm tired of Democrats handing them the ammunition to use against us - on a silver platter even!
2) It is shit and should be called out as such - but in a mature, logical way, one that enlightens others to the lies and distortions in this film. Not in a childish prank. The means does affect the message.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. I hate to clue you in here, but FAUX FUCKING HATES US
USE it against us??? :rofl:

Since when are the GOP our FUCKING FRIENDS? Have you taken leave of your senses???

They paint us as THE DEBBIL...each and every DAY.

HOW, pray tell, is eating more of their same shit "playing into their hands?"

Please. You can march off sheeplike to the slaughter, I intend to stand, fight, and DELIVER hell unto them...because it is LONG OVERDUE. And if you don't like it, stand aside. Get out of the way. Run, and hide.

And that silver platter? I will wrest it from their greasy hands, bend them over, and shove it, sideways, up their pompous asses.

ENOUGH, I say....to the BARRICADES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. Fox hates us? Really??
No kidding? I never knew!:sarcasm:

Look, I'd love to have an intelligent and civil discussion with you about this, but you'll have to start reading my posts first. For example, you're the one holding the silver platter, not them. I've already explained, playing into their hands is handing them something (in this case a childish prank) to use against us. As for the rest of your questions, like I said, read before you respond.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. You HAVE to stop worrying about what ASSHOLES think
You give them too much POWER if you fear them. They need to fear US, not the other way around. They will NEVER like us, they will NEVER respect us, and they want us COWED, and afraid to speak up for fear that THEY will somehow insult us. Fuck them. And the horse they rode in on!

We have economic power, we have numbers, and if you think WE are the only ones to use the "Google bomb" you'd be wrong. MORE EVIL THAN SATAN used to pull up Microsoft. And that was YEARS ago. The MISERABLE FAILURE one is famous, and they went after Michael Moore too. It's a two way street, it is an old technique, and only Luddites like the stone-cold nitwits at FAUX think it's somehow "new."

Any methodology to point clueless kids researching what they learned after their mandatory six hour homework assignment of falsehoods to the truth is a GOOD thing.


And if you can't see that, well, you can't see that.

The gloves are OFF. No more Mister Nice Guy...

Stop being AFRAID OF THEM. They can only hurt you if YOU let them.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. AGAIN...please read before you post & stop with the irrelevant comments!
I'm scared of the GOP and what they think of us? Where did I say that?? NOWHERE - in this thread or any other.

I'm trying to win elections. I don't want the voters to look at us as fools and vote for the right just because they can't stomach voting for the left - as they have done in the last few years. It's not because the left isn't good enough or our candidates aren't better than theirs, because we are and they are.

It's (1) because we don't communicate our points clearly enough and (2) because we keep handing them events and comments that get spun against us (as in this case). We don't think before we talk. We don't think before we walk. And as a consequence, we consider end results and they come back to bite us in the ass. We have no strategy to beat them at their own game. And, as a result, we become Rover's whipping-boy. It's high time that stopped.

Now...I answered this absurd accusation, but it's the last one. Like I said, I'd love to have a mature conversation with you (debate and different opinions are fantastic IMO), but if you're just looking to argue and are therefore going to pull stuff out of you ear and accuse me of saying things I've never said, well, have fun...but you'll be talking to yourself.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #54
65. "Voters" won't look at "us" as fools
The only people hearing this crap are BRIT HUME's audience. Capisce? He preaches to a GOP choir.

What "voters" are you afraid of? FAUXSNOOZE voters? Guess what? They are not, and will never be, in our camp. Guess who is covering this story? NBC? NOOOOOO... CBS? NOOOOOOO How about those neocons over at ABC?? Noooooooooo....

FAUX is on this like white on rice. And no one else is. WHY?? Because it ISN'T news!!!

And who is this "us" of which you speak with such consternation? The Democratic Party? Noooo...I don't see any Google bomb directions on their website, do I? The DNC? The DLC? How about those Democratic state organs? Noooo, nope, and naaaah. MOVE ON? THINK PROGRESS? Huffington Post? Michael Moore, the greenie? Nope and nope. Naaaw, and unh-unh.

When Brit Hume goes after "Democratic Underground" over a bit of back and forth here about Google bombing, they've LOST. It's as good as being the first to yell NAZI in an argument.

They're swatting at little DU flies while their elephant has been beaten to the ground and is being fucked by a giant Democratic wooly mammoth.

We may think we are a HUGE group, but actually, we're rather small in the big picture of things. We can make a difference, and we do, but when you worry about "us" you have to realize that the Democratic Party is a huge tent, and we occupy a single, cozy chair in the corner of that huge tent.

Google bombs have a LONG history. I've tried to point them out in this thread. Go on, GOOGLE the term...it's a classical internet approach. It's not nefarious, and people do it ALL THE TIME.

Stop being afraid.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. Here at "the barricades"
:hi:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. Hand me a pitchfork and torch!
:thumbsup: :hi:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Here ya go...








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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
55. Who are they for? Me, because I have a different opinion than you?
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 03:14 PM by AZBlue
eom
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
61. I doubt it. It's just a metaphor for "storming the castle".
In this case the castle happens to be corporate media.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Now you are taking things a tad too personally
You aren't the enemy. I disagree with your approach, but you're on the same side of the barricades as the rest of us, even though you hang back and are unwilling to challenge the GOP on the front lines.

The thugs on the other side of the barricades are the enemy. They are the ones I want to charge, fight and defeat. The ones I refuse to fear. The ones I won't tiptoe around.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:54 PM
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42. I think you've missed how the gop and the neo-cons in charge
operate. It matters not one whit what Democrats do or say. It will be twisted and perverted. Period. And if it doesn't exist, they'll make it up.

THEY control the media; newspapers, television, many cable stations, radio, and it looks like they're moving into Hollywood and they control the government...but not the internet (though they're working on that as well). This is one venue where we have access and some modicum of input.

They control "the message". They have done so for the past 30-40 years. Why else do you think the word Democrat is associated with the now denigrated word liberal which is associated with socialist and which is associated with communist? The progressive/socialist/communist link was originated by the Department of War; now known as the Department of Defense. They began the propaganda as far back as the 20s; no, further back than that, I'm sure.

"A mature, logical way"?! Take a look at the link I provided above. Was that mature? Logical?

How much longer are you going to play nice and be polite while being dragged through the mud, called a traitor and threatened by your own government before you figure out that not one damned thing we do or say is more damaging to our cause than what they have already done to it ?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:36 PM
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38. I've read this entire thread
You have been asked 'why' its a bad idea several times. You have not said why.

What makes it bad? I don't know the answer to the question. Specifics, please.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. She already answered.
she thinks it somehow "obstructs" people from searching for info on the show. IMHO it shows a total misunderstanding of what it means to "google-bomb". All it does is move up in the list the likelihood that the search will lead to a good site. With enough posts it will be the chosen site for "I'm feeling lucky."
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. FOR. THE. LAST. F'ING. TIME.
I'll repeat - for the last time:

1) The GOP will turn it around and use against us to show the world we are infantile, ineffective and tiresome. They've already started this campaign with the Fox News announcement. They've already got people laughing at us. Not only will it hurt the reputation of the left, it will also hurt the reputation of DU.

2) Once people hear about it, do you think they'll even use google it? Of course not. Why would they? They'll just look up the ABC site directly. That's where this idea will push people - to the very "source" we're looking to eliminate. It's counterproductive.

3) It's childish. We should not ever stoop to their level.


And, once again, please read a post before you respond to it! Thank you very much.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. People who hate us already are laughing at us, like they've done
for the last six years. The laughter won't increase or decrease because we do something they don't like. In fact, if we start scaring the shit out of them with a little "in your face" FUCK YOU, for a change, maybe they'll laugh less. If we threaten their business donors with serious boycotts, maybe their donors will peel off. After all, you donate to be part of a winning team, and if no one is buying your crap, you can't donate, can you?

Maybe they'll start getting scared. They should be.

The GOP has used this method themselves. It isn't a new technology.

It isn't childish--it's gaming to increase a ranking of a VALID item of information. What we are doing is showing people an ALTERNATIVE "path" to 911--but a path, all the same.

Stop fearing Brit Hume. He's just a guy who looks like an ugly version of Herman Munster. He's not all powerful, or even very smart. He's a tool who takes direction well, nothing more.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. I have no problem with it AT ALL
YOu can BUY higher positions on Yahoo for searches. This just saves money
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:20 PM
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58.  A few famous Google bombs of yore
BE AFRAID http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22be+afraid%22

FAILURE http://www.google.com/search?q=failure

IGNORANT BIGOTS http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ignorant+bigots

MISERABLE FAILURE http://www.google.com/search?q=miserable+failure
(see how the rightwing shits tried to replace the asswipe with Michael Moore, but couldn't get him over the top? They also pushed poor Jimmy Carter into the mix--the fools)

and let's not forget this effort by gay rights activists
SANTORUM http://www.google.com/search?q=santorum



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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 04:24 AM
Response to Reply #58
85. You left out my personal favorite - ASSHOLE
:rofl:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. You really just want to argue, huh? You don't read what others post
you just start off on some inflammatory argument. Or do you just have a typing fetish?

Yes, the GOP hates us. No shit. Yes, they laugh at us. No shit.

But, they are the minority in this country. The hardline GOP'ers who wouldn't vote blue even if their children were held at gunpoint. I'm talking about the rest of America, the ones who are swayed by rhetoric and spin. DUH.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. So, if they are the minority, stop being afraid of them
Do you think someone who googles PATH TO 911 and gets a responsible article about truthful events is going to get all huffy and upset?

The only people who might get upset at that 'top choice' on Google are rightwing LOONS.

Do you think Faux viewers, dropping precipitously every month of late, are going to decide to change their vote from Dem to GOP on hearing this? NO, they're gonna continue to vote the way Brit Hume tells them to. And for the odd independent viewer watching, once they google the term and see the article, they'll see the sense in the choice. Not that it has even gotten up to the top of google at this point.

Faux is the only one making this an issue and they preach to a GOP choir. And you're one of the few, besides them, who is upset about it. You're fretting over something that hasn't even occurred yet.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #45
52. I'm not buying that
WTF does "use it against us" mean?

All we are doing is routing people who look at the top of a google search to an article that tells the truth about the show.

YOU CAN DO THE SAME DAMN THING IF YOU BUY POSITION ON YAHOO.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #52
59. I already answered your question.
eom
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. yeah.
right.

see ya
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #62
79. Have a great day!!
:hi:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
66. it's childish to worry what the GOP thinks about DU
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:56 PM
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43. google-bombing is FUN but it is childish
My concern as AZBlue astutely pointed out is that it is playing into the hands of the wingnuts. However, then again it may be a tactic to dissuade us from doing just that. Who the hell knows.

I agree with the argument AZBlue makes but my hope is that ABC will see the light and pull the mockudrama. And that will occur shortly after monkeys fly out of my butt.



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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #43
75. Ha! That is the problem with Rovian tactics!
You don't know which side the manipulation is coming from!

"Hmmm...are they trying to get us to do this so they can make fun of it...or is it effective and therefore they are trying to scare us away from it??" x(
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
56. A Google bomb is a GOOD idea!
I think the whole idea is sound and worthy of praise. Have not the Republicans taken every opportunity to manipulate the media and the framing and the terms of debate, swindled citizens, abused both the letter and the spirit of the law, LIED repeatedly in the face of blatant facts, and fanned the flames of hysteria without compunction?

We are simply coaxing compliant programs like Google to approach the truth rather than the random.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:54 PM
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67. I like Google bombs.
:P
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:35 PM
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76. Well who in the hell said we WERE going to do it?
Not me, not Skinner, not anyone I take very seriously. It's a non-issue. Don't give it any energy. Let's move foreward.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. I have.
This my last post on it. No point in repeating myself. Again. Was trying to help some see some sense...I see now it's a waste of time and breath with them.

Thanks!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:52 PM
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77. If you want to discuss why it's a bad idea on its own merits, that is...
one thing. But neither Brit Hume, Fox News nor the GOP suggested it. He was actually reporting on an idea that originated here. He simply got the URL for DU wrong.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
78. connecting people to the truth is a bad idea?? wish a free
press would do their job so we wouldn't have to....


no need reply, i won't be here for it. just want to add my bit

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espera17 Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:57 PM
Response to Original message
80. how do you google bomb
would someone explain that to me?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 05:02 PM
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83. Meegbear explains it here:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 04:57 PM
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81. "It will make 'us' look …". You are wrong. (nt)
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 05:11 PM
Response to Original message
84. What?! Faux news maligns google bombing therefore it is a bad idea?
I'm afraid you lost me there.

Brit Hume
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. It seems to me that this is a bit different
from the other Google bombs mentioned here. They, it seems to me, had the purpose of ridiculing a person by linking their bio to a derogatory term.

The currently proposed Google bomb, it seems to me, has the purpose of attempting to provide alternative information to people who might not otherwise get it.

Anyway, I find Google bombs, in moderation, amusing. Thanks for pointing some out.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 05:03 PM
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87. You DO realize Google bombs were not thought up by Faux, right?
They've been around for years now.

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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:39 PM
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90. It is a moot point. ABC has already taken care of that.
Google "The Path to 9/11" now. You will see that ABC has a sponsored link. Sponsored links are not effected by Google bombs.
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