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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:55 PM
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Diebold voting chaos in Maryland
Edited on Tue Sep-12-06 01:57 PM by LiberalEsto
This happened at our polling place today, and when I looked on DailyKos, they had a story saying there were problems all over Montgomery County.

Posted on DailyKos from the Washington Post: "No electronic voting machines were operational when polls opened at 7 a.m. in Montgomery County, because election officials failed to deliver the required voter authorization cards to the county's 238 precincts."

Link to Post story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/12/AR2006091200535.html

Our bewildered election judges started sending prospective voters to another polling site -- although nobody seemed to know whether they would be able to vote there. A number of prospective voters left in disgust, deciding it was too much of a hassle to try and vote.

I can't give exact times, but it was long after 7 a.m. when someone finally showed up with the voter access cards that would make it possible for voting to start.

Electronic voting machines are destroying the American voting process and discouraging people from voting or otherwise participating. How Stalin would have loved Diebold!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 01:58 PM
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1. Not to diminish ***any*** voting problems, but this seems to be a .......
.... matter of human stupidity and not a machine problem, per se.

In our (Maryland) county there were no problems whatever - apart from no poll worker or League of Women Voters poll judge able to tell me how a recount would be done.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 02:51 PM
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4. Husb2Sparkly, the human stupidity starts at the top--with the
boondoggle billions for electronic voting, that all our Democratic US Senators but two voted for, the introduction of private corporate TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code into our election system, and the introduction of other vast and obscure complications where no such complications existed before; the purchase of very expensive, and extremely insecure and insider hackable voting machines and central tabulators that no one but private company personnel understands, and no one else can repair and maintain, including repairs needed during elections when the machines break down, which they often do.

Could anything be stupider than this?

The stupidity then trickles down to the local level. Before electronic voting, we had perfectly competent people running elections, including many perfectly competent volunteer poll workers. People voted. They counted the votes in public view, and posted and reported the totals. Anyone could follow the simple rules needed to do this, and the type of people attracted to this job, whether salaried or volunteer, tended to be more than competent. They tended to be quite intelligent and committed to our democratic right to vote. They considered it their duty to serve the public. It wasn't all "Saturday Evening Post." We had a major breakdown of this civic system in southern states, where black citizens were barred from registering and voting by white bigots running the elections offices. We solved that problem for a couple of decades--after much grief and steadfast effort--with the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (until Bushites began violating it with impunity--in the full knowledge that no Bushite A.G. would go after them--a nice, circular, criminal system.) But, on the whole, the system worked. It was community-based, community-run, and consisted of the simplest of all technologies--paper and pencil--something that everyone could understand, and, importantly, something that everyone could MONITOR.

Now we have a gaggle of idiots, from the secretary of state on down, who don't have a clue how our votes are "counted" in the slick new machines with their secret programming that they have spent so much of our money on (--poured into the pockets of openly partisan Bushite corporations!). It's no wonder that they foster a "culture of secrecy" just like the corporations they are now beholden to. They have much to hide--including their ignorance of this technology. Poll workers have to take classes just to run the damn voting machines--machines that it takes a lifetime of education--or particular individual brilliance--to really understand. (And those WITH a lifetime of education in computer technology have, time and again, warned us against the use of these machines in elections!)

Which brings me to the "voter authorization cards" that were missing in the 238 precincts when they opened--with voters having to leave and not vote because these cards were not delivered. In a sensible voting system--like the one we used to have--you sign in, in a book, you vote on a ballot, and you leave. The needs of this system are SIMPLE, and mess-ups were rare. If you are having to run around about "voter authorization cards," and "voter verified paper trails," and computer "memory" cards, and your power supply, and your printers, and your touchy machinery, and "certified" or "uncertified" computer upgrades and "patches," and the system is being changed from week to week, and month to month, according to the latest dictates from the local, state and federal bought-and-paid-for election officials, and the machines break down and YOU can't fix them, you have to call the corporate personnel who made them and who alone know how they work, and you have, in addition, to worry about security of the machinery, internal modems, unauthorized connections, tampering, machine tallies that, inexplicably, start running backwards and deleting votes, and on, and on, and on, you are liable to get just a bit flustered and forget something. If all you have to remember are the poll book, the ballots, the polling booth and the little stick-on "I Voted" decals, you can conduct this business of democracy with dignity, openly, efficiently, honestly and with a minimum of errors.

Don't blame the stupidity on the lowest rung on the ladder--like a haughty English lord who shoots his own foot and blames it on the gamekeeper. When major stupidity happens in government, look to the top--in this case, the truly stupid ones who sold our democracy right away.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:25 PM
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11. Excellent post and summary of the problem. I'm always amazed at
DU'ers who just don't get why so many of us have worked hard to expose this issue of the Electronic Voting Machines. There's a whole forum on it but because everything is down in that Forum many newer DU'ers never see it.

Thanks much for posting this as a reminder of why paper ballots are the simplest and most reliable way to go. Even if we have to have a scanner "count them" as a compromise ...at least the paper is there as a record.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:02 PM
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7. Did you read the entire article?
From page 3:
'Poll workers found that screens on new electronic poll books froze or shut down as they tried to record arriving voters.'
'"They don't have a printed list" of eligible voters, "they don't have a backup," Wuethrich said. "So when the computer goes down, they can't even look at a list to see who's eligible to vote."'
'Louise Bradley said she arrived at her polling station after the electronic cards had been delivered, but her card did not work properly. When she got to the section of the ballot listing candidates for the Democratic central committee, it was already filled out. Bradley said she had to remove the computer's choices and insert her own.'

Plenty of computer-based problems to go along with the systemic problems, as well as the human errors.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:46 PM
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13. We had some of those glitches too
One woman, who had never been active in politics before in her life, is so disgusted with the Bushistas that she got involved with the O'Malley campaign.

When she went inside to vote, she found that the machine showed her voting for one candidate that she hadn't selected. She complained. I'm not sure if they resolved it. My own voting went smoothly.

But you can see how easily people will get discouraged when they go in and find that the damned machines don't work properly, or record their votes properly. Or that they can't vote at all, and nobody knows what to do.

A few election cycles ago, when everything was done on paper, things worked. People knew what they were doing.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:46 PM
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14. this says to me that the state of Maryland damned well better
stick a crowbar in their wallets and have printed poll books for November -- and a mountain of provisional ballots, too. :grr:
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 02:02 PM
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2. Montgomery County is Democrat country ...
What better place for Diebold & all the other culprits to work their magic.

Yes, Stalin would have loved George Bush's Diebold, no doubt about it.:dem:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:07 PM
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9. So is Prince George's county
"Problems" there too.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:39 PM
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12. So is Baltimore
The same. What a coincidence, all the heavily populated, heavily Democratic areas.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 04:47 PM
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15. Things that make ya go HMMMM...
:freak: For my part, I will NEVER understand how Americans allowed this "technology" to be installed in the first place. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. I'd add, THROW IT INTO THE BAY, but the Chesapeake has ALREADY been abused quite enough.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 02:11 PM
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3. I heard lots of radio callers on WPFW complaining they had "glitches"
in MD. Scary.
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 02:55 PM
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5. WP blog with complaints from voters.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:00 PM
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6. For crissakes, when are they going to get a clue?
Another election, another EVM snafu (reads fraud).

At what point do we go back to the drawing board and start over? Rhetorical question. The answer is when the Republics realize THEY may be the victims of fraud.
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:04 PM
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8. Voting extended to 9pm in Mont. Co. MD nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 03:12 PM
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10. What is that? An extra hour?
Another election, another day of Diebold fuck-ups. Oddly enough, the fuck-ups happen in precincts and counties in heavily Democratic areas. And nobody knows what went wrong or how to go about fixing it. Nobody anticipates any problems. And nobody has enough back-up ballots to serve the voting public. And where the machines are working "properly," little problems crop up, like names already filled in on a precinct committee person ballot.

But we'll get it right next time. Yeah, next time everything will work smoothly. You bet. No doubt about it. We just don't know what went wrong this time.
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