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BobcatJH Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:54 AM
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The torturers next door
Did you hear? The Republicans have been busy, busy, busy this fall. As the all-important November elections approach, the party in power has been working overtime. Not to solve the world's problems. Create more, to be sure, but never solve. No, they've been busy preparing for the upcoming vote by doing what they normally do. By scaring Americans. By disenfranchising those who refuse to be scared. By throwing red meat to their rabid base. And, to me, the latest - and no doubt worst - examples of this has been the inconvenient truth that it's now apparently fine for representatives of this government to torture people. Not only that, but also that our willingness to accept torture is seen by the Republican Party as one of its top selling points as November nears. But by simply acknowledging this fact and stopping there, we miss a larger point. And that is this: Without many everyday Americans looking the other way, none of this would have been possible. Without a base as complicit as those in office, we wouldn't be spending so much time discussing America's steady slide into tyranny. I'm speaking, of course, about the torturers next door.

One of the most pathetic - and telling - aspects of this story has been the Republican Party's willingness to turn such important matters into petty election season selling points. The best example of this came Friday with an Associated Press article titled "GOP hopes to parlay deal on detainees". The lead paragraph of Anne Plummer Flaherty's story says it all. "Republicans," she wrote, "hope that an accord reached between the Bush administration and GOP senators on the treatment of terror-war detainees means the party can go on a campaign-season offensive on the issue of protecting the country." It's bad enough that we're even discussing our use of torture, let alone forging phony compromises. It's even worse that the party in power sees this as a good thing and is willing to use it against the Democrats as November approaches. Anything, of course, to take the American electorate's eyes off of Iraq. Anything to distract voters from the reality that this administration sent its young men and women to Iraq based on lies, has failed to support them and has done nothing while the casualty totals reach shocking proportions. "Wait," you say, "some Republicans did do something for the troops." Well, you're right. They voted to support amnesty for those who would torture, mutilate and murder them in Iraq. So at least they've got consistency going for them.

It's rather distressing, of course, that elected officials from the president down seem fine with something as morally reprehensible as torture. Just as it's distressing that those "rebel" rubber-stamp Republicans helping reach this agreement seem fine with letting the president - who thinks the phrase "outrages upon personal dignity" is vague - have the final word on which interrogation techniques are fine and which aren't. But most distressing, to me, is the fact that so many rank-and-file Republican voters are looking the other way while the party in power sells this country's soul to the devil. Where are those right-leaning "values voters" who seem quite content to lecture everyone else about the ills of Janet Jackson's nipple, yet are somehow absent for the debate on whether or not we want to be a society that tortures people? Where are those partisan hacks who love to post comments on progressive blogs about our immoral ways, yet can't be counted on to speak out against the most immoral of immoral actions? Where are those supposed support-the-troops Republicans who have no problem slapping stickers on their cars, yet whose support apparently ends the moment one of our brave men and women fall into enemy hands?

Where are they? What are they doing? Well, they're doing the same thing they've been doing since this president took office and began making every terrorist objective a reality: Nothing. They did nothing while this president squandered the national unity we felt in the days following September 11. They did nothing while this president willingly shredded every freedom we're supposedly imposing on Iraq right now. They did nothing while this president declared war on the Muslim world and began creating the next generation of terrorists. And they're doing nothing now while this president not only destroys any shred of credibility and respectability this nation once had on the world stage, but also renders false any claims of morality we felt justified in staking. Who needs to fly airplanes into buildings when the party in power seems willing to do the terrorists' dirty work for them? It's beyond shameful that we're even having a "debate" about torture, let alone a "compromise". It's torture. It doesn't work. And it's wrong. And if some in our country can't recognize that, then I can no longer recognize my country.

No matter how you view right and wrong, either from a religious or nonreligious perspective, there is absolutely no middle ground on this matter. Either you believe, as this administration does, in the use of torture, or you don't. And if you support this president, nothing you say or do to the contrary can prove to the rest of us that you don't support the right of this nation to stoop to the level of its adversaries and act like a bunch of low-rent, sociopathic thugs. To me, there's no debate on the rightness or wrongness of forcing naked detainees into a pile. Nor is there a debate on the rightness or wrongness of forcing someone to stand, hooded, on a box with wires on his hands. Just like there's no debate on the rightness and wrongness of several of the officially approved methods our interrogators have used. "According to an ABC News report from last fall," Paul Krugman recently wrote in the New York Times, "procedures used by C.I.A. interrogators have included forcing prisoners to 'stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours'; the 'cold cell,' in which prisoners are forced 'to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees,' while being doused with cold water; and, of course, water boarding, in which 'the prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet,' then 'cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him,' inducing 'a terrifying fear of drowning.'"

Though Republican apologists would have you believe that institutionalized barbarism only affects our interactions with our prisoners of war, the reality proves otherwise. By accepting our use of torture, we lose the moral justification for criticizing our adversaries when they treat our men and women with the same disregard we treat theirs. But, then again, forgiving amoral behavior is nothing new to supporters of this administration. Torture isn't the answer. It's the last resort for people who have failed at their jobs of truly protecting us. Had this administration actually done the work needed to track and eliminate terrorists - instead of firing Arabic language specialists simply for being gay - we would have never reached this point. Instead, we find ourselves sacrificing everything that made us American in exchange for questionable intelligence, endangered troops and an irreparable moral standing around the world. And we only have ourselves to blame. The Republicans are in office thanks, in part, to voters who felt it more important to keep gay Americans from marrying and adopting than actually keep us safe. Voters who fell prey to the fear campaign that convinced them that their hometown was a top al Qaeda target. Voters who supported an amazingly unqualified candidate simply because he was the kind of guy they would love to grab a beer with. And now, thanks to these voters, the Republicans have treated our democracy so shabbily that, if the party in power remains unchecked, future generations won't be able to identify the remains of our once-great society. Sure, the administration shoulders much of the blame for what has happened and what promises to happen unless things change. But so, too, do the torturers next door.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 01:51 PM
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1. Eloquent!
Comprehensive and well-researched.

Thank you.

Sinistrous
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:35 AM
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2.  Here's Amnesty International's call in for this. link
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 08:36 AM by bonito
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:33 AM
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3. Bravo! Fantastic post.
These are dark times for our country and I pray that we'll be able to come out the other side intact.

:scared:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:40 AM
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4. Heard W.H. "Reporters" ask: "Who would Jesus torture?" yet?

If not (or rather: "of course, not"...), so when will they?



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oldboy101 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:55 AM
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5. Hitler's Germany started out this way too.
Seventy years ago when Hitler came to power he began to slowly strip away the rights of people who did not support him. Most Germans just looked the other way as they did not think that they would ever be subjected to such tyranny. As time went by it became apparent that no one was safe who did not support the Nazis. By that time it was too late to protest as it would result in your being imprisoned or even killed.

We should never make the mistake of thinking that it could never happen here. To see the right of Habeus Corpus being taken away from some folks we do not like should alert us to the possibility of it being taken away from all of us. The people in power today seem willing to do whatever it takes to stay in power, and that is a very real danger to us all. We need to take this very seriously and kick these folks out while we still can.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:13 AM
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6. My own family members parrot the FoxNews party line on torture
I have to admit they get some pleasure out of knowing the "enemy" is being tortured. What they completely ignore is that hundreds, probably thousands, of innocent people are being tortured, abused, and/or indefinitely detained.

Et tu, MA?

Newsprism
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:28 AM
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7. Why do you hate America?
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 10:41 AM by lwcon
All you liberals whine about respecting diverse cultures. So why don't you respect ours?

This is the land of Madison Avenue and Hollywood. MTV and truthiness. Where sizzle is the new steak.

"This is the west, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

When John McCain and Arlen Specter spend twelve seconds of their valuable time publicly hand-wringing before giving Bush absolute power, why isn't that enough for you technocratic bleeding hearts?

Get with the program, man. In 2008, 98% percent of voters will remember with pride when McCain stood up to Bush for the time it takes Lynndie England to strip and collar one of America's enemies.

The Unitary Executive is God's gift to mankind. I suggest you don't look it in the mouth, sir.

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 11:44 AM
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8. Torture comes to Kentucky The FBI has raided our
county jail to investigate charges of torture by guards.

If it is good enough for bush, it's good enough for our prison guards.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:02 PM
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9. In Short: If you support torture, you hate the troops. n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 01:03 PM by stevietheman
n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:04 PM
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10. History will not be kind.
But, no worries, they can just re-write history to cover their tracks. Done and done.
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:23 PM
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11. Torture has nothing to do with information
Torture is about domination and NOTHING else. This administration's goal is absolute power at every level--from the personal to the global. They want to be able to do this just so we know that they can.
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Thoreau-Ly Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:11 PM
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12. Also Specifically
Back-door avenues to immunities from war crimes, already committed and ongoing.

I think the degree to which people are acquiescing, equivocating, or being nonchalant about this issue is stunning, and scary. It's like asking if heroin is bad for you.

It would be nice if God really did bless America. If he still does, then this is one hell of a sick joke.

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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:48 PM
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14. Domination and REVENGE
Y'know, going after those "ragheads who bombed our buildings"...
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:59 PM
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13. Children being tortured
in front of their parents to make them talk, rape and sexual degradation, etc.? These are "righteous values" that so called christians condone in the name of fighting terror?

This is NOT America if this is what we have become in the name of fighting terror. WE are now the terrorists.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:53 PM
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15. I actually
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 07:45 PM by beltanefauve
received a Right-wing whackjob's e mail justifying the whole thing, dismissing what "our side" is doing as something a kin to fraternity pranks, and bolstering the justification by including pictures of the Nicholas Berg be-heading. As I said in an earlier post, revenge seems to be a motivator with a lot of these people.

So how the heck do we get through to people like this?
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jslsingleton Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 03:21 AM
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16. Predictable... and, in fact, predicted.
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 03:23 AM by jslsingleton
The answer is 42.

The question is, how many years back does the corruption of the Republican Party go?

In 1964, during the Goldwater campaign, the John Birch Society -- with its goal of a Leninist-style single-party takeover of the US government -- began infiltrating the Republican Party from the grass roots on up.

Around the same time, Meyer Lansky's mob, through its Hollywood front MCA, was grooming its own political puppet, Ronald Reagan, for greater things. (See Dan Moldea's Dark Victory: Reagan, MCA, and the Mob.)

The criminality of the Nixon Administration reflected what the Republican Party had become by 1968. By 1980, after a bare four years out of power, Republicans were willing to undercut the US in international affairs and prolong the capitivity of American hostages in Iran in order to regain power -- thus the Reagan/Bush/Casey October Surprise arms deal with Iran to prevent Carter from negotiating the hostages' release; thus the Iran-Contra scheme, which not only supplied the Iranians from US arms caches, but ran a profitable guns-go-south-drugs-go-north sideline (Operation Black Eagle, via Dan Quayle's office), and filtered the profits through donations from the Contras to Republican campaign coffers. The Newt Gingrich era's massive shakedown of lobbyists, institutionalizing Congressional bribery and extortion (you paid the Republicans, and only them, or you didn't get your laws passed), merely made the corruption shamelessly public.

Already by that point, the Republican Party should have been prosecuted under RICO, as a racketeering-influenced corrupt organization.

It soon might have been, because evidentiary documents classified under Reagan and Bush were going to start coming due for declassification and release.

The only way to prevent that was for the Republicans to re-take the White House in 2000, by any means necessary, and re-bury the evidence.

So it wasn't merely hunger for power that drove the blatant election theft; it was a fight for the very survival of the Republican Party, and a desperate fear of exposure.

Thankfully, that danger has now been averted, and power is steadily being centralized, oversight blinded, the "checks and balances" dismantled, to reduce and ultimately prevent any further risks to Republican monopoly of control.

And they (alone) will live happily ever after.

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"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ...

He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: "How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?"

Winston thought. "By making him suffer," he said.

"Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? ... Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."


— George Orwell, 1984.

 
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:29 PM
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17. The torturers next door have 34 cowardly good neighbors and appeasers
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 11:32 PM by chill_wind
living in their same House.

Tragic that some of our own party is willing to share that same stink and taint. That's a stink we should have left exclusively to the Republicans, so that we could make it exclusively about them, as much as we would like to do here.

Once again, we cannot. We provide accomplices.
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