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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:21 PM
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For the Record: I am NOT compromising when I vote for General Clark
or any of the other Democratic candidates. They're all good men and will do our country proud, IMHO. I deeply resent some who try to imply that I and others are 'selling out' because we're going to vote for one or more of the current Democratic candidates!!!! :wtf: is going on here lately. I don't mind if people state where they are coming from and that they won't vote for so and so, but leave ME out of that mindset, PLEASE!

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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:23 PM
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1. I've been off DU a lot today writing letters
It does a body good :loveya:




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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:24 PM
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3. That'll be me tomorrow.
Looking forward to talking to folks in TN for the General.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:24 PM
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2. Don't sweat them
Vote your conscience. A lot of people are trying to cut a deal. In my mind, Clark is the whole package and nothing is going to change that.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:35 PM
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5. As a non-American I'm rooting for Clark....Here's why...I heard him say on
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 10:38 PM by glarius
several occasions how much he is worried about the fact that Bush has alienated your former friends...(Canada in my case).... Besides his brilliance and worldly knowledge....By the way, I wonder why it is not pointed out by his supporters (and he himself) that he has only been running a few short months (4?) and yet he has come a long way...His fellow candidates have been running much longer....I think his showing in such a short time is quite remarkable....:)
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:39 PM
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7. Thanks so much glarius. I always appreciate your observations.
I really wish I were Canadian right now! :cry: But do you see what we are dealing with here? It's not just the Pukes that are undermining our getting rid of this nightmare regime.
:argh:
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:42 PM
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9. Well Bush is falling in the polls...I saw one today at 46%....Keep on
pounding away at it and don't give up....I have a feeling whoever runs will beat him...
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:06 PM
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11. glarius, check my message lower in this thread, which I meant to post
to you.
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Virgil Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:31 PM
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4. How does he stand on NAFTA?
I just learned today that Edwards called for repealling NAFTA? That is enough reason to back Edwards over Kerry. I hate to ask because of the Arkansas connection to Clinton, but how does Clark stand on NAFTA?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:36 PM
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6. I think he takes the rational and common sense approach.
NAFTA should be improved by making sure people around the world have living wages and we respect child labor laws, plus protect the environment.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:40 PM
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8. "Repeal" of NAFTA is a gesture in reality
To repeal NAFTA implies repealing WTO - which takes you to the Kucinich side, and not Edwards.

Answering your question: Wes Clark doesn't want to repeal NAFTA - instead, he wants to strengthen directly (via bilaterals) that which "NAFTA repealers" pursue indirectly: fair trade, improved labor conditions and stop the export of American jobs.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:58 PM
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10. Yes, he's way down. Somebody who knows someone in the polling
business said new polls are coming out where he's even lower. Let's hope we Dems don't stupidly blow it. But really I think a squash could beat illegal resident at this point!
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:15 PM
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13. Democrats I see on TV are hammering away at the AWOL thing which I
think is very important to keep on emphasizing....I'm just an observer from outside your country, but it seems to me this is the first time I've seen the Democrats do that...It has always seemed to me that they are usually much less ruthless in their attacks on their opponents than the Republicans are....The Repubs seem to go for the jugular and not let go....Good luck...I'm very impressed with General Clark and feel he is the right man for these times....:)
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:10 PM
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12. Thanks...I'm not compromising either
I support Clark because I believe in him. I'm not selling out or compromising. I've heard both.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:16 PM
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14. It is an unacceptable compromise for ME to vote for Clark
I think that is the problem. You obviously have the right to vote for anyone you choose--and as I don't know you, I would have no information on which to judge that you are making a "compromise" or not.

The problem is that when DUers demand me to vote for Clark if he wins the nomination, they are then telling me to compromise--and I will not.


I do not think this will be a problem as I don't see him winning the nomination.

And if so many Republicans love him as many of his DU supporters claim--then he should have run as a Repuke or Independent and therefore split the Repuke vote and assisted Shrub in losing. That would have been the thing to do if he really wanted to oust Shrub.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:22 PM
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16. If you read my entire message you'd understand that I mean
ALL of the candidates. I particularly fancy General Clark because I believe he is the most progressive and likely to beat the *. But I will support any of them who win thenomination.

As an aside what do you mean by the statement:

"And if so many Republicans love him as many of his DU supporters claim--then he should have run as a Repuke or Independent and therefore split the Repuke vote and assisted Shrub in losing. That would have been the thing to do if he really wanted to oust Shrub."

Clark is a Democrat who has broad appeal. He's NOT a Repuke. He's NOT an Independent. He's a progressive Democrat. THAT is a major reason why I support him.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:30 PM
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17. OK
I do not demand that anyone votes for a candidate.

What I think this thread is about is asking folks to acknowledge us. We are progressives who support Clark.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:17 PM
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15. How could it possibly be a "sell-out"
to support a man who has given his life to the service of this country, a man who was living comfortably in retirement and answered the call of a draft movement in order to serve his country again?

I think the true sellouts are those who vote simply for who they think is going to win the primary. What's the point? Bragging rights? There's been a lot of talk on this board tonight about voting your conscience, or, flip-side, giving up ones integrity to beat Bush. All of this stuff is hogwash. Vote for the man you believe will make the best president and let the chips fall where they may.
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