things seem to be going nicely in Iraq ...

[welshTerrier2]

Olbermann just announced that Baghdad has been locked down under a curfew because the Iraqi government believes there was a coup attempt being planned ...

based on this, i think we should advocate remaining in Iraq another year or two because we wouldn't want to be tagged with the cut and run label ...

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[Totally Committed]

1. He said the Iraqi government got wind of a military coup in the planning..

and they had to round up the miscreants brfore they coup could take place.

If you ask me, it wasn't just the military that was planning to take over the country and THAT'S why the whole place is under lock-down.

Thank goodness it's not a civil war yet! :sarcasm:

TC

[jimshoes]

2. Would that be the same military that

we have been equipping and training for the last 3 years? What happens now? They going to disband this army too? What a mess bushco and rummy have created. I don't think this is what they had in mind when they said "When the Iraqi army stands up, we'll stand down".

[welshTerrier2]

4. maybe AFTER the election ...

the Dems will take a real position on Iraq ...

i keep hearing, help us get elected and then we can do all that neat stuff ... i heard it in 2002 ... i heard it in 2004 ... and i'm hearing it now ... after November, no more mr. nice guy ... some may have misconstrued my earlier post to mean that we will have our intra-party battles by fighting among the primary candidates ... if none of them is calling for an immediate end to Iraq, the battle will be much bloodier than just "primary wars" ...

i truly hope Democrats take both the House and the Senate ... i think there's at least some possibility that could happen ... the day after the election, things need to start changing ... many promises have been made; all promises have been broken ...

if Dems win the House, they'll tell us we have to "play it safe" because we need to pick-up the Senate ... if we win the Senate too, they'll tell us it's because Dems campaigned in the center and we shouldn't push them to a less pragmatic position ... if we win the House and Senate and the Presidency in 2008, they'll tell us how quickly it could all be lost if the party moved to the left ... frankly, i'm sick of it ... the time to be REAL DEMOCRATS is NOW ... all the other conditions they lay down in our paths are lies ... it will never happen until we make it happen ...

btw, thanks for your kind comments on my other thread ... they really were appreciated TC!!

[Heewack]

3. This is bad

This will be used to show how we can not possibly leave. I honestly think that no matter whom we elected we will be there for the next 5-10 years.

[TayTay]

5. 60% of the Sunnis, the people we supposedly 'liberated'

think it's okay to kill Americans in Iraq. These are the people who were supposed to greet us as liberators and give us chocolates and flowers. 60%, according to an internal Iraqi poll, think it's okay to kill Americans.

This situation is hopeless. All the news items that have come out recently have just reinforced this. We will either leave or be forced to leave. Cong. Murtha said this tonight and he is right. The Bush Administration still refuses to acknowledge this. Unless Congress takes over one or both houses this debate will not go anywhere in Congress. (They won't even allow hearings anymore from the Democratic Policy Committee, like the one that was held last Monday.)

The situation in Iraq is desperate. Something like 70+% of Iraqis want the US out of Iraq as soon as possible. Wasn't that Bush's litmus test: when the Iraqis ask us to leave we will leave?