I Hate Nader.

[Don1]

I cannot believe he forced 25% the Democrats to vote for the torture bill, because that is so sickeningly disgusting of Nader to do that and he has no spine to stand up against the Republicans.

[Thickasabrick]

1. I'm confused. How did he force the dems to do this?

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[Thickasabrick]

11. I heard it was just 9 and I still don't see what Nader had to do

with it. Do you have a link to a genuine article that puts the blame on Nader?

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[Thickasabrick]

33. I totally missed your sarcasm - long week. Thanks for getting me

all "riled" up again. :)

[Don1]

42. You're welcome. n/t

[blondeatlast]

20. I still don't see it. I despise Nader myself, but have no idea how

he could have accomplished such a feat?

Was it in the deleted subthread?! Help! :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

2. What in The World are you talking about?

:wtf: over!

[Don1]

12. I'm trying to show you how ridiculous this looks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2853497

[gully]

32. Actually it's a valid question.

nt

[ShortnFiery]

48. No, we have to also face the fact that we could have helped Gore

run a better campaign. :shrug:

It's really, IMO, tacky to blame those who voted for Nader in 2000 as many would not have done this had they had any inclination of the nightmare that has materialized.

Face it, The Greens are basically our "further left of the center" compadres. We can help them in local races and, just perhaps, encourage our lauded Representatives to address some of their heartfelt issues.

We can make this work. Although I understand the bitter feelings over 2000, it's well beyond time to make amends and work together.

I have to admit, today - Anybody but Bush (or The Republican Party) means EVERYTHING. With a little warmth and shared goals, we can bring many Greens and former Nadarites with us to vote for Democratic Candidates on the National level. :thumbsup:

Remember, The Greens are much closer "to family" than the Republicans can ever be. It's time to set aside the petty bickering and work together. :hi:

[ulysses]

3. heh!

:thumbsup:

[Don1]

13. Thanks for understanding me. n/t

[ulysses]

15. it's the sarcasm gene.

:D

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Nader who?

[Don1]

26. I think he was the Libertarian Party candidate or something like that...

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. Next week it will be Hugo Chavez's fault then Mike Malloy's, then

Carrot Top's, so on ans so on....... Watch it buddy or I'll put your ass on ignore.

[babylonsister]

10. Yeah, Carrot Top!

:rofl:

[gully]

6. I hate him because he said Gore and Bush would be "essentially the same

on foreign policy and the environment."

[Don1]

9. He was probably talking about how Clinton was bombing Iraq

in 2000. Nader is such a jerk.

[gully]

21. Yea, and how Clinton invaded Iraq, and had plans to invade Iran and Syria,

and how he refused to sign the KYOTO treaty and deregulate environmental protections? And how he killed about 100K iraqi civilians and lost about 3000 troops, and how he ignored warnings that OBL was determined to strike at the US.

Yea, Nader is a "jerk." And, might I remind you, that Nader is a political opponent who lied about Democrats just like Bush has?

[Don1]

29. and don't forget the 500K Iraqi civilians and deregulation

of the Telecommunications industry and NAFTA. Nader is such a jerk.

[gully]

34. oh no, not deregulating the phone company!? All the humanities?!

Clinton killed 500K Iraqi civilians? Show me. I do believe your talking about sanctions imposed via the UN under Bush ONE.

[Don1]

45. I am not talking about anything.

It's Nader! Don't put me in the same camp as him, because I hate him! No, really, don't put me in the same camp, because we'll all end up in a camp at this point.

[Don1]

65. hello, Earth to Gully.

Telecommunications is not just the phone company and this is what allowed right-wing media conglomerates to have the power they have today.

[calico1]

14. Thank you!

I didn't forget that. :mad:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

8. There wouldn't be a torture bill if Nader hadn't helped * steal presidency

nt

[Don1]

18. YEAH, I KNOW!

I CANNOT BELIEVE NADER MADE THE SENATE APPROVE THE VOTE RIGHT IN FRONT OF GORE, TOO! HE HAS NO BALLS!

[gully]

27. I cannot believe Nader said that Gore = Bush.

Over 90% of Dems REFUSED to support the legislation you Nader voters are bitching about TODAY.
Contrast that to over 90% of republicans WHO SUPPORTED the torture amendment.

Got any comment on the fact that we are even voting on torture legislation?

Also, I'd be glad to contrast Nader quotes from 2000 with that of Democrats to see who was "right" if you like?

[Don1]

53. 27% of the Senate Democrats voted for it.

If they didn't then it could have been filibustered.

[gully]

55. You didn't clarify "sentate dems" in your sarcastic post. Also

over 90% of Republicans voted for the same measure. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, between the Dems and R's, and I won't quietly allow anyone to spin otherwise.

[Don1]

60. So the Dems didn't have the power to filibuster or what?

Just answer that.

[IndianaGreen]

19. Was Nader running in 2004?

How silly to refight 2000 when we no longer have a Constitution or a republic, and there is a tyrant in the White House that must be overthrown.

Will you take up arms to restore the republic and topple Bush's tyranny?

[IChing]

36. Nader made Lieberman run against Lamont

Nader was responsible for the supreme court we have now and the senate group that formed to protect Bush's appointment
Nader was on this planet when we had Democrats vote for this torture bill.
Nader was alive when Paul Wellstone was killed
Nader was in the US when Democrats voted for the bankruptcy bill and convinced Lieberman to support it.
Nader caused Lieberman to be against gay marriage.
Nader made the supreme court vote against democracy in 2000

See
it's that easy

[Thickasabrick]

24. I really think people need to quit blaming Nader for wanting to run

for President. That was his right and just because he exercised that right - people have condemned him to hell. The reason we lost is because we did not have a strong enough candidate - end of story.

Many people credit Clinton's presidential win to Ross Perot. You see - it works both ways

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. I hate spinach. Never tried a nader, though.

[MuseRider]

17. LOL

Seems kinda silly doesn't it?

[Don1]

23. We should have an intervention for for some people. n/t

[gully]

31. NO what seems silly is defending the man who said Gore = Bush.

GORE would not have failed us on 911, invaded Iraq, denied KYOTO's importance, and put forth legislation to torture anyone - period. What is silly is that Democrats are expected to continually listen to the accolades of a deluded political opponent.

[Don1]

37. Nader calls the Washington Democrats spineless

and they want to fight him so much that they disprove him by voting for torture and against habeas corpus. Nader is such a jerk.

[gully]

40. How many Democrats does it take to make Nader right?

1, 10, 50? Nader calls Gore, Bush - Nader IS a jerk and so are his largely idiotic wealthy white male supporters.

[Don1]

50. that is racist. n/t

[gully]

56. It's true.

nt

[Don1]

61. So you support racism?

[MuseRider]

59. I don't recall

seeing nearly as many posts of his accolades as I have posts accusing him of everything from our poor excuse for elections, or our non existent response to the SCOTUS etc etc etc.....

Unless you want a one party country people had better get used to other people voting for who THEY want to win without asking you or anyone else for your blessing before or after.

[Thickasabrick]

25. I'm repeating myself but - Ross Perot - 3rd party candidate helped

Clinton win. It works both ways people!

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. Can we use him again in '08?

[Thickasabrick]

30. LOL...whatever happened to big ears Perot?

[TheCowsCameHome]

35. Probably got tangled up in that giant sucking sound.

Never to be seen again.

[wyldwolf]

52. I'm repeating myself - Ross Perot DID NOT help Clinton win

Absolutely ZERO evidence to support the rightwing belief that he did.

[gully]

38. BTW, it's not 25% of Democrats, it's about 10-15%

eom

[Don1]

41. 10-15% = -5% sounds about right to me!

Nader of course would refer you to the Senate rollcall vote to show you that it is in fact 25%:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00259

These 12 Democratic Senators voted for torture:
Carper (D-DE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Stabenow (D-MI)

And 32 Democratic Senators voted against torture.

Nader would say 12/(32+12) = 27 and 3/11 % voted for it. OMG HE CONTRADICTED HIMSELF. BECAUSE BEFORE I SAID HE WOULD HAVE SAID IT WAS 25% AND NOW HE IS SAYING IT IS 27 AND 3/11 %. WHAT A JERK!

[gully]

44. Did you forget the house?

Now, contrast that percentage to the percentage of Republicans.

I'll check back with your nonsense later. I know you Nader supporters feel guilty about your role in helping Bush win the white house, but you really should tone down your desire to prove that Gore = Bush because you look like fools.

[Don1]

46. Don't insult me.

I vote for Democrats and people like you need to stop this kind of nonsense. See what happens?

[gully]

57. People "like me" didn't start this thread.

"See what happens" yourself.

[Don1]

58. huh?

[AX10]

39. I can't stand Nader either. He's the reason I cannot consider...

voting for a third party. For me, I vote straight Democratic!

[Don1]

43. Me too!

I am in love with Wesley Clark, too, because if he becomes President he said we can actually win in Iraq and that is what is important after all, winning, right? Boy I love that man and did I mention I hate Nader?

[Frances]

47. And did I mention that if it weren't for Nader

Gore would be in the White House. 9/11 would be just another day. And there would be no terror bill.

[Don1]

51. If it weren't for Nader then there would

have been another candidate that the Green Party and ISO endorsed. He represents an out-of-the-mainstream category which doesnt vote Democrat. So, you don't know what you are talking about.

[Frances]

62. I do know that this is democratic underground

Why aren't you posting on nader underground?

[Don1]

64. You mean this is the underground of the Party

where some people out of the mainstream in the Party can go? Well, that's me and I am mad at Democrats, 25% of whom in the Senate voted for fricking torture. Now, some jerk in another thread is blaming Nader. Does that make any sense to you at all? If you say, yes, then you are part of the problem in our Party and not part of the solution.

[jonnyblitz]

49. LMFAO!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :crazy: :thumbsup:

[gully]

54. I love Nader because he said that Gore and Bush were the same.

I love Nader because he refused to pay homeless people who gathered signatures in PA.

I love Nader because he profited from the war via stock in Halliburton.

I love Nader because he has busted unions.

I love Nader because he took money from Republicans including the swift boat vets.

Yea, that Nader - he's a great guy!

Again, I'll check back later.

[Don1]

63. I hate Nader, too!

He's a jerk who made 25% of the Senate Dems vote for torture.

[The Magistrate]

66. Locking

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