Kerry Supporters: What Will Kerry Do About Black Box Voting?

[stickdog]

Assuming Kerry gets the nomination:

Does he know they aren't rigged?

Does he know how to use them in his favor?

Or does he have some plan to make vote fraud a lot less simple and full-proof before November?

[Andy_Stephenson]

1. I think Kerry is just fine with BBV

Look to New Hampshire as a guide.

[Dookus]

4. Nice smear...

but you know it's been explained here at least a dozen times that there is absolutely no evidence of any vote tampering in NH, despite one one blogger THOUGHT he discovered.

People in different counties voted differently. That's all.

[Andy_Stephenson]

14. The fact remains...

1.92t is not certified.

[buckeye1]

2. BBV won't matter.

If nominated Kerry will win in a landslide. Your questions really make no sense to me. What is full-proof?

[MercutioATC]

3. Heehee...that was kind of the point...."BBV" seems to not be an "issue" to

Kerry.

It'll be interesting to see how it works with real election manipulators....

[jmags]

5. I think I've heard Kerry mention Diebold and Electronic Voting Machines

a few times over the past month, so he is aware of them. I don't know how Dems can remain silent over this issue before Nov. There is no argument against voter verified reciepts.

[Andy_Stephenson]

15. "There is no argument against voter verified reciepts."

Yes there is! Call it what it is...a ballot.

[blm]

13. Where do you get your disinfo, Mercutio? Kerry already said he's putting

up the best legal team in the country to investigate it.

Get current. You want Eliot Spitzer looking into it or not?

[Andy_Stephenson]

17. Where is the team blm?

Or is he waiting till it doesn't matter like always? Seems to me if he really meant what he said...he would be taking action now to ensure the primary process was fair and accurate.

[blm]

22. Same place as everyone else right now.

My ballot was paper.

[emulatorloo]

6. "Kerry pledges more accurate elections"

<snip>

“I intend to have a legal team in place that will guarantee us that there will be no question at all (about accurate voting results),” he said at a campaign stop.

“The second thing I intend to do is to win by enough votes that it ain’t gonna matter,” he said, referring to the close vote in Florida during the 2000 election.

<snip>

Kerry said his legal team would ensure that eligible voters are able to cast ballots, and that all votes are counted. He also said he would challenge polling places where ballot machines lack accountability trails, and he would take action in communities where there is evidence of disenfranchised voters or where voting lists were manipulated.

<snip>

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2003_1229b.html

[diamondsoul]

11. Sure thing, right after he reaps the benefits

first and gets the nomination.:puke:

Sorry, but this is one issue he's really, REALLY pissed me off about, and at the moment he's my second choice!

[For PaisAn]

12. Oh, really?

Those are just words are far as I'm concerned. Blah, blah, blah.
If he is dedicated to ensuring accurate elections then why hasn't he signed on to S 1980, the Senates bill to require a paper trail for electronic voting machines? Words are meaningless, action is what matters.

[bryant69]

7. Yep he has a secret diabolical plan

It's so evil.

He's going to try to appeal to the voters on the issues and on his record and on his history. What an evil strategy.

In that way he'll get plenty of votes--enough that rigging the election won't be an option. That diabolical jerk.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Indiana Democrat]

8. Nothing.

He's not a conspiracy kook. Thus, his surge in the polls and his eventual win in the primaries and his KNOCK-OUT of the idiot in the general.

[Dr Fate]

9. Read Post #6- Kerry has adressed this issue...

it's not just "conspiracy kooks" who are concerned about fair elections after 2000...

[Indiana Democrat]

10. What he said was common sense.

Who ISN'T in favor of fair elections and all the votes being properly counted?

BIG difference between his statement and the rantings of nutters about rigged machines that favor the GOP.

[Andy_Stephenson]

16. News FLASH

BBV isn't just for Republicans anymore. Or haven't you been paying attention?

[Indiana Democrat]

18. LOL!

Yeah..."BBV" is a great self-fullfilling prophecy for losers of all political persuasions.

[stickdog]

20. Yes. And it's a great self-fullfilling reality for "winners" of ONE

political persuasion. That of the establishment elite. Is that why you support it, or do you just like elections that can't be verified or recounted in any way for some other reason?

[stickdog]

19. At his level, there are only two options: fighting against "conspiracy"

or being in on it.

I assume from your post that you like black box voting. Could you explain why?

[mitchum]

21. Only replying because this is already at the top of the page..

(so I won't feel all dirty for kicking it)

I'll say it again:
I could fucking care less

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

23. Here's his statement:

In light of the recent lawsuit regarding the Diebold Elections System, John Kerry also pledged to protect voter’s rights. During the 2000 election, 185,000 Florida ballots were not counted and voting machines armed with faulty technology failed to count the votes of 2,085 of its citizens.

“In 2000, here in Florida, democracy was trampled on, constitutional rights were denied and now heading into this election, we find out that Diebold Elections System, the maker of faulty high-tech voting machines, is promising to deliver Ohio its electoral votes to George W. Bush and the Republicans next year,” said John Kerry. “Let me make it clear, we’re the Democratic Party that stands up for civil rights. We didn’t break the back of Jim Crow to have the Republicans give us JimCrow.com. In 2004, we will make sure that every vote is counted and we will win.”
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_1206b.html


Might have even been some spit dripping from his mouth when he said it to please the "pay-per-view political punchers

[drfemoe]

24. It's not just BBV

Just a reminder, we have new election legislation this year >>
N.H. seen as barometer for efforts to improve voting systems
By Jim Abrams, Associated Press, 1/24/2004

WASHINGTON -- The New Hampshire primary on Tuesday will be the "first real test" of a new federal act providing billions of dollars to help states ensure that future elections will be accurate, honest, and accessible, Representative Steny Hoyer, one of the sponsors of the act, said yesterday.

Other primaries that follow in February also will showcase provisions in the $3.9 billion law that help or require states to replace outdated voting equipment, establish statewide voter registration databases, require better voter identification, and provide provisional ballots so qualified voters won't be turned away from polling places.

Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland, and Representative Bob Ney, Republican of Ohio, the two chief sponsors of the "Help America Vote Act" signed into law in October 2002, said that this was the first time that federal dollars were being used to improve the election system.

They spoke a day after Congress finished work on a giant 2004 spending bill that included $1.5 billion for the election reform program, $1 billion more than was originally budgeted. Congress also allotted $1.5 billion in the first year of the act last year. ... "
bolding added .. complete article >
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/24/nh_seen_as_barometer_for_efforts_to_improve_voting_systems/

So, if NH was the "test", why aren't they grading the papers? How the hell can it be determined to be "working" if nothing is done to verify the new system? Could it be this legislation is nothing more than window dressing? Would our "government" give us a stone when we asked for bread?

[eileen_d]

25. Just ran across this thread in the archives

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=841368

Links to NYT article - actually this has quotes from most of the candidates on this issue
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/07/politics/07FLOR.html

[FARAFIELD]

26. DECEASED VOTING QUESTION

I read an article that said IDAHO law doesnt allow votes to count of people that die AFTER their absentee ballot is cast BUT before the general election date. The article said that TWO other states didnt allow this as well. Can someone tell me what the two other states are. I have an hunch that COlorado is one.