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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:36 PM
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I knew of Dean memos in 2003, but I did not know they had a meeting.
Just rereading the NYT article that came out tonight. It shows a lot of discontent with the DNC policy of rebuilding state parties. I see both sides, I chose one to stand with. But I understand the other position.
From the NYT tonight: The Inside Agitator

I knew there were memos in mid 2003 about Dean, but I did not know they had a meeting, 50 of them. I don't have the link but someone sent me a snip they had saved. I even did a search to find the links, but couldn't even find it archived.

With the renewed attention on Dean, fundraising, and grassroots this week and in the weeks to come, especially with their unhappiness at the strategy..this is just to remind. The NYT article out tonight pretty well shows there is still so much discontent.

I mean, really. To find out they actually had a meeting is a little much. To be clear, people win and lose on their own...that is not what this post is about. I just feel that it is the grassroots and new people in the party they went after back then, and I fear there may be some of now. If they went so far as to have a meeting back then, I sort of worry about now a little.

The 'D' in DLC Doesn't Stand for Dean (David Von Drehle, May 15, 2003, Washington Post)

More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."

"It is a shame that the DLC is trying to divide the party along these lines," said Dean spokesman Joe Trippi. "Governor Dean's record as a centrist on health care and balancing the budget speaks for itself."

As founder of the DLC, From has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right for nearly 20 years. He was in tall cotton, philosophically speaking, when an early leader of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992. As Clinton's domestic policy guru, Reed pushed New Democrat ideas -- such as welfare reform -- that were often unpopular with party liberals.

"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."


Now there is one more paragraph that shocked me about what they said about Gephardt. This shows the mindset they had in 03 about health insurance. I assume it has not changed.

The memo took a milder shot at Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) for his proposal to guarantee universal health insurance coverage, which From and Reed deemed far too costly. "Every primary season unleashes the pander virus," they wrote.


And here are more of the memos from mid 2003.

Being called "fringe"




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:40 PM
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1. Here is the updated link to the NYT article itself.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:43 PM
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2. We can spend a trillion on the Iraq War, but universal health insurance...
...is too expensive (from a DLC point-of-view.)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:09 AM
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12. That was my first thought when I read that paragraph.
It really hit me hard.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:51 PM
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3. WTF Trippi is back on board?
I thought he retired...
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:56 PM
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4. This is from 2003...
...during the primaries...which the NYT is talking about now. Basically the "stop Dean" movement from the DLC.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:58 PM
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5. Yeah, I should read
plus Im tired.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:59 PM
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6. This happened in 2003.
Trippi is all over the country, also in Canada and other countries. He is a busy.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:05 AM
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7. Me dumb.
:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:07 AM
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8. No, you are not.
This time of night it is easy to not read right.

Get some rest. I need to do that myself. I am a night owl and sleep late since I retired.

:hi:
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:09 AM
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9. lucky.....
My goal in life is to retire before 50...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:39 AM
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11. We retired fairly early and love it.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:19 AM
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10. And since the NYT article refers to fundraising....the DNC set records.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

Set a record for a non-presidential year.

"Democratic National Cmte $95,543,172
Republican National Cmte $176,283,310

House Party Committees

Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $80,806,205
National Republican Congressional Cmte $115,468,183

Senate Party Committees

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $77,193,131
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $65,934,939

Totals based on data released by the FEC on Friday, September 15, 2006."

The DNC outraised the others, but it is how the money is being spread around that is the problem.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:15 AM
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13. Thinking One Knows Better Than Al From Does Not Make One an Elitist
And From was wrong: his guy wasn't the "man to do it," either.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 03:29 PM
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17. Probably makes one a realist.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:38 AM
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14. This DLC schedule appears to verify that article.
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251574&kaid=85&subid=108

May 15 Media Briefing with Gov. Warner and DLC's From & Reed

For Immediate Release:
Contact: Karin Kullman/Eric Wortman (202) 546-0007 / (800) 546-0027

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Democratic Leadership Council has long believed that Democratic politics should focus on broad national issues and pay careful attention to the views of Democrats who govern across the country, not just the narrow concerns of activists and interest groups who roam the halls of Washington.

The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) will today convene a strategy session of almost 60 state and local New Democrat elected officials to get their "outside the Beltway" views on the New Democrat movement, its ideas and the direction of Democratic politics. Gov. Mark Warner (VA), Columbus (OH) Mayor Michael Coleman and Pennsylvania State Rep. Jennifer Mann will join the DLC Chair Sen. Evan Bayh (IN) and the DLC's Al From and Bruce Reed at a media briefing to discuss the results of the strategy session tomorrow, Thursday, May 15th, at 10:00 a.m.

The press briefing will also feature the release of the second edition of the DLC's 100 To Watch, a publication highlighting New Democrat officials making their mark and making a difference in cities and states across the nation by using innovative means to solve real problems for the citizens they represent."

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:41 PM
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15. Kick....an interesting read....Didn't most of the replies on this post
disappear somewhere along the way? :eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 09:01 PM
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16. Can you believe they called a press conference?
I don't think anything got deleted, I think this was all there was posted.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 05:06 PM
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18. what does this stuff from 2003 have to do with the
current dispute, between certain factions of the Democratic Party, over the best use of DNC funding a month before the election?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 05:23 PM
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19. Actually....
they convened a press conference to say who they thought should not be president. That was in 2003.

Many of the ones listed at that meeting, and the two who sent out the memos...are still being the deciders. They have decided Lieberman should have won the primary, and they are supporting him against the primary winner.

A press conference to say who should not be the nominee? Working for one who did not win the primary?

I was just reading the group of centrist blogs by some DUers, and their response to the NYT article was not very nice.

So I guess I am wondering why it should even be asked. We all know what's coming.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 06:44 PM
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20. Reed and From are members of the DCCC?
:shrug:
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