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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:38 AM
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Sherrod Brown needs to take debating lessons from Wes Clark.
He lets Mike DeWine interrupt him repeatedly and take over the conversation. However, I must admit...since I started writing this...Brown is doing much better.in the session he got more aggressive.
Thank Goodness! :bounce:

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liberaliraqvet26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:40 AM
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1. He rocked on Economic issues.
Hopefully that can take him to victory. He is most comfortable in that area.

But I think Paul Hackett would have wiped the floor with Dewine.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:33 AM
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15. Brown was clearly in his comfort zone
...when the discussion switched to economics. I thought he did really well during that segment.

One thing, and this is not just directed toward Sharrod Brown, when you know that Iraq will be on the table, it is necessary to have your story down cold. Brown seemed to have decided that "staying the course was bad" was his prepared statement. Brown voted against the war, and should be able to hammer that point with better backup. As I stated, this is not just directed at Brown. Too often Sunday mornings finds Democrats unprepared for these questions about Iraq. "Hey team, we can now make Iraq our issue."

All in all, Brown held his own, although he had an opportunity to point out that DeWine didn't want to be interrupted, but sure wanted to interrupt.

DeWine is a ghastly man, who comes across as weak and a toadie.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:40 AM
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2. Maybe, but Dewine looks terrible!!
He stutters when he can't find the right words. He sounds unsure.

Brown sounds much more certain.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:43 AM
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3. Brown's doing ok..
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 09:46 AM by Tellurian
Just got in that Hastert should resign for not protecting pages.
Another point is, (I don't know DC Law) but in many states it's
a criminal offense IF you KNOW child abuse is going on, and you
do not report it.

IOW, you're as guilty as the perp. It would be good if someone
followed through on that and pressed for Hasterts resignation,
if in fact it's true.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:02 AM
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9. That would be icing on the cake if we could get rid of Hastert.
I take back what I said about Brown. He's really warmed up now and doing great. :woohoo: Now I see why he's so popular...first time I've seen him. And at first I was disappointed...he was too polite.

Clark doesn't let anyone interrupt...he just continues what he was saying and ignores their comments. In the beginning DeWine did a 5 min. rant and when Brown finally got a turn to add his two cents...Dewine interrupted him and he let him...then Fat boy went on to a different question and he never got to defend his position. Burned me up!

But he certainly redeemed himself for the rest of the discussion. Maybe he read my mind or someone whispered in his ear......

But I still think Clark could give him a little constructive coaching session on how to advoid being interrupted without becoming rude or pushy like Rethugs.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:07 AM
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16. Demos are developing a Sixth Sense, now the Republicans
are on the RUN.. You might as well say,
IF a Republican has anything to do with it,

it's One of 3 things. L-C-S


A LIE. A COVERUP. Or A SCANDAL! :)

:hi: Auntie B.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:29 AM
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18. You should catch one of Sherrod's speeches
on the floor of Congress on C-span. I've seen several of them. He Rocks.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:57 PM
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24. I'll watch for him. Better yet , post a heads up here on DU.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 07:09 PM
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27. I'll try. I usually just happen on them by chance
and... threads like that usually sink.... ;)
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:48 AM
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4. Just started watching - Wine is mealy-mouthed.
I thought he talked himself into a corner before Sherrod even opened his mouth.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:48 AM
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5. Brown needs to learn how to embarrass his opponent on television
This is no time to find common ground with the enemy. This is time to go Normandy on DeWine's ass.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:54 AM
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6. Debate just began in Greater Cleveland area.
First part with Dewine went on and on and on much too long - at the direction of Russert.

Dewine has always looked retarded to me - I don't know how anyone ever voted him into office.

Just got to the point now where he is accusing Sherrod of interrupting HIM. He is coming off as a bully.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:12 AM
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17. if you think DeWine looks like and idiot...
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 11:12 AM by Zodiak Ironfist
get a look at Ohio's inept 3% approval rating Governor, Bob Taft



We call him "howdy doody", and he looks even dumber when he is moving. His eyes aren't right.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:10 PM
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25. Dewine beats Taft for looking retarded.
I do agree that we have a real "winner" as governor of Ohio.


I can hardly believe that Bob Taft is descended from William Howard Taft, US President and is related to * and Cheney:



    William Howard Taft
    27th President of the United States



The Taft family has been involved in Republican politics for over a century. His great-great-grandfather Alphonso Taft was Secretary of War, Attorney General, and an Ambassador; his great-grandfather William Howard Taft was President and Chief Justice of the United States; and his grandfather (Robert Alphonso Taft I) and his father (Robert Taft Jr.) were both U.S. Senators. His first cousin, William Howard Taft IV formerly served as chief legal advisor to the U.S. Department of State, before resigning after the reelection of President George W. Bush. His uncle, William Howard Taft III was an Ambassador. His great-grand-uncle Charles Phelps Taft was a U.S. Representative from Ohio and for a time, an owner of the Chicago Cubs baseball team. His great-great-great-grandfather, Peter Rawson Taft, was a member of the Vermont legislature. Other prominent relatives include Seth Chase Taft, Charles Phelps Taft II, Peter Rawson Taft II, Henry Waters Taft, Walbridge S. Taft, and Horace Dutton Taft. Kingsley A. Taft was a U.S. Senator from Ohio and Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court.

Bob Taft is also related to current President George W. Bush through at least three different marriages, ranging from eighth-cousin-once-removed to 11th-cousin-once-removed, as well as being a ninth cousin of Vice President Dick Cheney.

---

On August 17, 2005, Taft was charged with four criminal misdemeanors stemming from his failure to disclose golf outings paid for by lobbyists, as well as some undisclosed gifts.

This was the first time an Ohio governor has ever been charged with a crime while in office.

Taft's conviction was grounds under the Ohio Constitution for impeachment and removal from office by the Ohio General Assembly; this was unlikely, however, since both chambers of it are controlled by his fellow Republicans. Taft has stated that he would not resign from office. In late 2005, his approval ratings sank to just 6.5%, and according to pollster John Zogby, "I'm not aware of anyone who's ever sunk lower".

Bob Taft is a disgrace to the Taft family name.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:56 AM
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7. DeWine is monopolizing the debate.
Brown's spoken half as much as Dewine.

Brown is coming off as a pushover. Sorry to say it, but that's my perspective.

I'm sitting here cringing.

Damn.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:01 AM
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8. Tim Russert - Mike Dewine show!
Russert is simply giving Dewine all the time he needs to spew bull shit upon bull shit.

Dewine gets all the time he needs to respond, Brown 30 seconds.

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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:03 AM
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10. Russert just lets DeWine drone on and on. WTF?
DeWine makes me ill. I can't stand to see or hear him, now I have to watch him steamrolling over both Russert AND Brown.

Man I hope Brown pulls something out of his hat because if I had to score this one so far DeWine is winning in a KO.
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ebdarcy Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:06 AM
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11. Mike DeWine is an idiot.
It will be a pleasure to vote against him this November.

I love how his commercials try to paint him as an independent republican. He tries to come off as having a backbone. Bullshit.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:08 AM
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12. Dewine had to get in his "8" children!!!!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:53 PM
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26. My eyes! argh
I know that's where republican babies come from, but still. Aieeeee!! Now I need to gouge out my eyes with shrimpforks! :evilgrin:
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:11 AM
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13. Good. Talking about Ohio corruption.
Going on the offense. DeWine profited from GOP criminals.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:31 AM
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19. yes, Sherrod did a pretty good job
of connecting the corruption dots. He just needs to remember that a lot of voters don't really know all the players - When he mentions Tom Noe, he needs to mention the coin-gate, BWC losses too.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:27 AM
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14. Underwhelmed.
Sherrod needed to go for the jugular and he shook hands instead.

That's the end of that.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:44 AM
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20. I thought he was pretty good
He did as good a job as anyone responding to the use of selected votes. It is complicated - and there is usually not enough time to explain that there are always competing bills and amendments. His answer that the bill referred to gave Hallibutin and the other profiteering companies a blank check with no oversight was good. At some point, a sufficent number of Democrats will have explained this.

I also don't know Ohio. I am originally from NW Indiana. I wonder if the more reasoned, calmer defense of Brown doesn't play better than Hackett. On issues, it is Brown who has the long consistent record.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:49 AM
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21. Brown won the debate, IMO, but I missed the very first part.
Brown kept it on jobs, mentioning specific Ohio cities and towns over and over again. He rubbed DeWine's nose in the fact that big corporations, HMOs, and pharma always get their way with Republicans. He would renegotiate NAFTA. He zinged DeWine on being part of the culture of corruption, specifically pointing out that DeWine directly took Abramoff money.

DeWine looked like a befuddled nebbish by the end.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:00 PM
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22. Plus DeWine made a couple of HUGE mistakes
He actually said that we are not there for the Iraqis, we are there for the American people. I thought - are you f-in kidding me?!!??! A sitting U.S. Senator is so completely irresponsible that he would send a message to the people of Iraq that we are not there for them??? How do you justify this? Idiot!

Also when asked if he thought Rumsfeld should resign - wtf was DeWine talking about? He can't have it both ways. He actually said that is up to the President? Thanks for taking your responsibility of Congressional oversight seriously ass hat.

Brown won hands down. Dewine was smarmy and nonsensical. Sherrod is correct on the issues and did a good job of stressing to the voters how it is important to have someone in Congress that works for their interests instead of big business. He also did a pretty good job with the short time allotted him to describe the Ohio Republican corruption machine. I wish he would have had more time to explain it tho.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:12 PM
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23. Ha! Ha! I just had a picture of DeWine debating Hackett.!
Sorry, I couldn't resist. They could have sold tickets to that one.

:evilgrin:
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