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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:43 AM
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Biden: "The president is wallowing..."
He suggested to Bush that Cheney should resign as well as Rummy......but said he was making a point, not suggesting something unconstitutional.

I dunno. It wasn't unconstitutional for Nixon to resign. Go for it.

Oh, Biden is on CBS with Schieffer who showed a Woodward clip from tonight.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:45 AM
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1. They all need to resign
together and to work out a peaceful change of power before they do.

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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:47 AM
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2. Heh. I thought you said, "The president is swallowing..."
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:48 AM
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3. No, it's the media who are swallowing
everything Karl gives them
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:22 AM
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6. Well, I've read the rumors about him and his poodle Tony. n/t
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:50 AM
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4. Saw it
More and more, sticking with Rumsfeld is making bush is looking like an isolationist nut. Shades of Nixon.

The stories about how Pickles tried to get him to dump Rumsfeld only emphasize how intractable and out-of-touch he is.




Cher


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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:50 AM
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5. And Now Bartlett is Playing Clueless
in his responses. Gee, we just don't remember it that way.
Pitifull....
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:34 AM
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7. You all don't realize that Bush doesn't have the power to fire Rumsfeld,
nor Cheney. They control him, not the other way around. Bush is a puppet. I began to realize this in early 2004 or so, when Bush did not dump Cheney from the '04 ticket. I also began to realize, around that time, that the 04 election would be fixed. I didn't see how Bush could win it with Cheney on the ticket. Never in our history have we had a more corrupt VP, and so blatant about it. In addition to the missing Halliburton billions in Iraq, Cheney had committed treason in outing not just Plame but an entire CIA counter-proliferation network. (He's the most obvious perp--but I actually still suspect the Rumsfeld was the mastermind.) Not knowing much about Diebold/ES&S at the time, I fully expected Bush to replace Cheney on the ticket, with health as the excuse--as a key tactic in getting re-elected. That would have been the smart thing to do--if Bush was a real president, and if they had been running in honest conditions. But Bush did not have the power to tidy up his reign for his re-election bid. And they were not facing a real election. They had assured victory, via their buds at Diebold/ES&S who had taken over our election system in the meantime. Same with Rumsfeld. The NORAD standdown alone, on 9/11, should have prompted Rumsfeld's resignation and/or firing--in a normal U.S. But add to it the debacle in Iraq--tens of thousands of innocents dead, no WMDs, massive looting and chaos, Rumsfeld ignoring military professionals, and, finally, the horror of the Abu Ghraib torture--and surely this double whammy of a corrupt VP and a Secretary of Defense that even the military despised would make Bush un-re-electable. Both would have to go, I thought, for Bush to win. I figured Daddy Bush and others would pressure Bush Jr. to sever himself from these two, to save his presidency. I still hadn't grokked the significance of Diebold/ES&S and their "trade secret," proprietary programming of the new electronic voting systems, nor the reality of the power situation among Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Cheney holding Bush's hand in the 9/11 interview should have been the key. Cheney and Rumsfeld are horrible men. They no doubt have extensive files on Junior. And he is completely dependent on them for his position, and cannot do anything without their consent. THEY are "the deciders." Not Bush, who is a man completely lacking in political skills (or any human skills) and not very bright. He can parrot lines--not at all well--and that's it. He is a bad little man, with a perverse psychology, and alcohol/drug problems, and thus manipulable. We've seen this syndrome of the puppet leader before, in monarchies. That's what we have--a cowardly, delusional "boy king" whose power is token, and who is controlled by others.

If anything, though, this analysis makes me feel a bit better about the torture bill. It's so outrageous, it boggles the mind. But it may have been a deal for the transfer of power. Gonzales tried to arrange their immunity by fiat--but other powers in gov't (war supporters like Biden, and the Sup. Court) weren't buying it. I mean, they have their tattered reputations and pensions and stock portfolios to protect. So they had to manufacture Congressional consent--not difficult, since most of Congress ALSO owes their power to Diebold/ES&S, and not to the people.

I think where we start to topple this rotten kingdom is by massive Absentee Ballot voting, and the time is now, this fall. We MUST protest these rigged electronic voting machines--and in such numbers to make it impossible for local/state election officials to defend this non-transparent system. If everyone who despises the Bush Junta--60% to 70% of the American people--votes by Absent Ballot this November, the reign of these diabolical machines will be OVER. And we can begin to re-establish the rule of law as opposed to the rule of evil counselors and puppet kings.

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