Can the Democrats beat Diebold ?

[bearfan454]

Or will it be another 51-49 percent stolen election ?

[abluelady]

1. That's the Real Question, Isn't It?

It doesn't seem to matter what eitber party does, when we have to worry about the machines, something is very wrong in America.

[Atman]

2. 51-49 Stolen

Search for the DU post on PUT options on Wall Street. They have the big surprise all ready to go, and it will miraculously make American shift to the GOP column, probably in the middle of the night.

[kma3346]

7. Link?

I couldn't find it. Do you have a link?

[mtnester]

3. Diebold will only come into minor play...the real problem right NOW is

specifically in Ohio - thousands of precinct location changes with no real notification to voters. Changing high Dem locations to inconvenient or hard access areas (no parking, small buildings). People NOT being notified of precinct changes...just your little normal voter card that comes to the house, la dee dah, with the precinct location as normal. But WAIT...the location is different but there is not a whisper on the card that YOURS changed...no red dot, no red PLEASE NOTE YOUR PRECINCT LOCATION HAS CHANGED.

Even worse? The MAJORITY of these precinct location changes are single precinct changes...the actual polling place is not closing up shop completely...so many people may show up at the wrong location, argue that it is their precinct (cause they have been voting there for DECADES) and be handed a provisional ballot, which will NEVER be counted.

It is 2004 Ohio, on a MUCH LARGER SCALE THAN EVEN THEN.

Not a peep on this from the Dem muckity mucks either. The huge "lawyer teams" better get in there NOW. OH, and BTW - WHY has Ohio's voter ID law NOT been stricken as unconstitutional like in other states? What crack legal team is working on that?

OK, so I am starting the week bitter. I worked Election Protection in 2004, and already have Deja Vu. The precinct I watched? Combined one precinct with another HUGE minority based Dem voting precinct into a building you could not swing a cat in, cut the voting machines, it was raining, and the last person in line when the polls closed at 7:30 voted at 12:10 AM. No inside waiting..all outside in the damn freezing cold rain.

This happened all over Ohio in 2004, and will be on a much larger scale for 2006. Don't need to rig the machines when you have a game plan to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.

[kma3346]

5. Those voters need to make a big, noisy, public STINK about this!

If they want to vote and can't, they need to get together and demonstrate and protest. If there are truly hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised voters, this blatant slap in the face of democracy needs to be shown to the U.S. and to the world. This is just outrageous. I would be so furious if this happened to me. They're counting on people just shrugging their shoulders and resignedly going home. Well, I sure as hell hope they don't.

:mad: :mad: :puke: :puke: :mad: :mad: :puke: :puke: :mad: :mad:

[mtnester]

6. Of course that is what they are counting on...think about it

voting on the way in to work - what normally used to take about 8 - 10 minutes (including signing in) is not accomplished at all. Same thing on the way home, at lunch, or right before polls close cause that is the only time your boss let you off a 12 hour shift to vote.

Now, you cannot accomplish that in a reasonable amount of time or you have to cast a provisional ballot.

Half will give up in frustration. The other nearly half will cast a provisional, the small minority will drive to their new location. Some precincts have moved so much, it is on another bus route.

If it raining, all bets are off...more than half will give up in frustration.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

4. The reason that the elections of 2000 and 2004 (and 2002) were so

stealable was that the margin was too narrow.

Both Gore and Kerry ran less-than-ideal campaigns, and while they captured the anti-Bush crowd, they failed to inspire the rest with positive reasons to vote FOR them.

The next presidential candidate needs to be proactive, not only attacking the Republicans and anticipating and deflecting their attacks, but also presenting a coherent, easily explainable VISION of what he wants America to be. Most people appear to vote on the basis of general impressions, not on the basis of party strategy or reading wonkish position papers.

[Marnieworld]

8. no

[Tom Rinaldo]

9. We sure as Hell can in NY - there's no e-voting here this November

There are several Cpngressional Seats held by Republicans that we can flip Democratic if we pitch in and fight hard. My top priority is electing Eric Massa from NY's 29th District.

It is supposedly is now leaning very weakly to the single term Republican incumbent, a man who has proudly hosted visits from both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to his district this year for fundraisers. Republicans are trying to pull out the stops to hold this one.

Eric Massa is a regular blogger at Kos, and is one of the founders and leaders of the Fighting Vets. Eric is an official kos netroots endorsed candidate, so if we win this one we both strike a blow and send a message. But the thing is Eric Massa is a great candidate and wonderful person. He served as a top aid to Wes Clark at N.A.T.O. and he is absolutely fearless in attacking the Bush Administration. He is down to earth, very real and always accessible. Eric gets it. Let's win this one for him.

REPEAT: There is no e-voting in New York State for the November election. We CAN pick this seat up for Democrats.

Here is Eric's web site:

http://www.massaforcongress.com/