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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:36 AM
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NYT editorial: The Foley Matter
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 07:40 AM by ProSense
Editorial

The Foley Matter

Published: October 3, 2006

History suggests that once a political party achieves sweeping power, it will only be a matter of time before the power becomes the entire point. Policy, ideology, ethics all gradually fall away, replaced by a political machine that exists to win elections and dispense the goodies that come as a result. The only surprise in Washington now is that the Congressional Republicans managed to reach that point of decayed purpose so thoroughly, so fast.

That House leaders knew Representative Mark Foley had been sending inappropriate e-mail to Capitol pages and did little about it is terrible. It is also the latest in a long, depressing pattern: When there is a choice between the right thing to do and the easiest route to perpetuation of power, top Republicans always pick wrong.

Snip...

It’s astonishing behavior for a party that sold itself as the champion of conservative social values. But then so was the fact that a party that prides itself on fiscal conservatism managed to roll up record-breaking deficits, featuring large amounts of wasteful pork earmarked to the districts of powerful legislators or the profit sheets of generous campaign contributors. So was the speed with which the party that billed itself as the voice of grass-roots exurban and suburban America turned itself into the partner of every special-interest lobbyist with a checkbook.

The good news is that American democracy, so flawed in many ways, is often fairly efficient at punishing parties that become addicted to self-perpetuation. This November may not force Congress to come up with a plan for Iraq, or even immigration. But if it reminds elected officials that there’s a punishment waiting for those who fall in love with their own sense of entitlement, it will have done its job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/opinion/03tue1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


No plan for Iraq? Has the NYT reported this yet (posted at DU three days ago):

Congress Approves Kerry Legislation Urging Summit of Iraq and Its Neighbors to End Civil War and Build Political Solution

September 30th, 2006 @ 2:27 pm

Early this morning, the U.S. Congress approved Senator John Kerry’s legislation calling for a summit of Iraq and its neighbors to arrive at a political solution to the growing civil war in Iraq. The legislation is part of John Kerry’s plan to force Iraqis to stand up for Iraq and bring American troops home, it was passed as part of the Defense Authorization bill. Given the news from Iraq today that Baghdad is under curfew over a suspected suicide bombing plot, it’s clear the situation in Iraq is continuing to spiral downward. We simply can not continue to ’stay the course.’


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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:42 AM
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1. How disingenuous is that? "The only surprise in Washington now is...
that the Congressional Republicans managed to reach that point of decayed purpose so thoroughly, so fast."

Here ya go, NYT editorial writer: how about they've been doing this for years and you bastion of journalism folks turned a blind eye to it. You cocktail-weenie-sucking hypocrites.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:51 AM
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2. Don't be so hard on the NYT's...they are one of the few in the MSM that
have been willing from time to time take on and challenge this administration and the GOP leadership...maybe not as often as they should have, but compared to others, its been something...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:22 AM
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4. There editorial staff seems better than their reporting
in the last coulple of years.

The summit provision seems to have been totally lost in the huge stories going on. It is also something that the Senate can only suggest not require. The good news is that the Republican leadership agreed to this which may be a sign of a major tipping point. The question is whether they can be pushed to recommend that other aspects of Kerry/Feingold be recommended.

In July when Kerry/Feingold was considered, the Democratic leadership pushed it to the late evening and they issued the Levin amendment as the Democratic position. Kerry/Feingold was by far the more substanitive bill including many well thought out pieces. It deserved a serious debate - which it got only because Senator Warner agreed to debate Kerry on the floor of the Senate.

Kerry deserves credit on this and the Democrats are crazy if they don't take this as a Democrat getting Republican support on part of what is needed in Iraq, they are crazy. (It will also indicate they are willing to play politics to position a media/party favorite for President.)
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:36 AM
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5. Welp, I'll never forget their editorial after the 04 election, in which
the writer wrote that "Bush can leave a magnificent legacy" (actual quote), and lectured to us, the voters who hadn't voted for him, and referred to us as a "minority" (you know, that scant 59 million of us). I'll just never forget the tone of that editorial—such glowing approval of Bush and such condescension to 48% of the country—and it so turned my stomach that I cancelled my subscription.

I know that the NYT is a mixed bag—they publish Krugman and Rich and that's great. I pay attention to the voices in all the journalistic venues who talk straight about this maladministration. But I will never forget the point of view the editorial board took that day. How right & wonderful the president was and how wrong & misguided we who didn't vote for him were. It was astounding.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:11 AM
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6. You're right.
That is astounding- if they ever published an editorial that said that. You used quotes and didn't source it. Sorry, I ain't buying until I see said editorial.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:50 AM
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7. It's not hard to find references to it
google
times bush magnificent legacy
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=times+bush+magnificent+legacy

The top link
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/nov2004/nyti-n05.shtml

"New York Times advises Bush opponents to accept new administration
By David Walsh
5 November 2004
Not wasting any time, the editors of the New York Times have greeted the narrow electoral victory of George W. Bush with a predictable dose of toadying, wishful thinking and upper-middle-class self-absorption.

In a November 4 editorial, “The Next President Bush,” the editors begin by informing the “49 percent of the voting public who wanted a different outcome” that their “first job is to accept the will of the majority.”

What is the meaning of this? The critical question is not so much the will of the majority, but the rights of the minority, on which the constitutional framework lays great stress, particularly against the aggressive intrusion of the state. What the Times has in mind is not ‘accepting the will of the majority,’ but political capitulation to the second Bush administration."

etcetera

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:02 AM
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11. OK, I've read it
and you completely mischaracterized it. I certainly disagree with the premise, but there's no glowing approval at all in said ed.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:20 AM
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13. I didn't mischaracterize it at all.
I just said that it existed. Period.

I didn't make any comment on its validity, on the response's validity, or on the source of the reference to it. Did you notice after my initial comment on the google words everything is in quotes???
That's because I was quoting a reference to it. Nowhere in my post is my opinion about the editorial.

Let me spell out plainly what I did do.
You stated that until you saw the editorial sourced you weren't going to buy it.
Well I provided a source because I thought your comment about needing a source was snark that deserved snark.
Apparently it went right over your head though.

... or were you not really responding to me but to Demitall?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:18 PM
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32. Don't forget that the NYT was one of the papers that went with
Bush in their famous 'reassessment of the vote in 2001 - a get together they all had months after that disastrous day, December 12,2000, when the not so supreme court dictated our killing and thieving destiny.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:54 AM
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10. You think I made it up?
Here it is in its entirety. The link is now behind Times Select. I had torn out the editorial and kept it for awhile, and based my cancellation email to the editor on it. That's where I got the quote, from my email. I can understand your asking politely for a link, but the tone you take in challenging me is repugnant. All you had to do was google the damned phrase yourself. I did it for you. Shame on you.



Editorial
New York Times
November 4, 2004
 
President George W. Bush has put to rest all the ghosts of his father's one-term administration. He won a solid re-election victory on Tuesday night. The country remains, of course, divided. It is the point of a national election to illuminate divisions - these days in stark blue and red. The 49 percent of the voting public who wanted a different outcome are disappointed, and in some cases crushed and frightened about the future of the country. Their first job is to accept the will of the majority. Then it will be time for everyone - Mr. Bush, the victorious Republicans and the people who opposed them - to decide what to do next.
 
Mr. Bush can either try for four years of the same, or look to his place in history. Yesterday, he offered at least some hope that he was choosing the higher road. "A new term is a new opportunity to reach out to the whole nation," he told the Kerry voters. Experience suggests that these conversions are short-lived. Four years ago, according to Vice President Dick Cheney, when Mr. Bush lost the popular vote and seemed to be in a position where consensus-seeking was a given, White House officials thought about taking a compromise centrist route for "about 30 seconds" before grabbing their old partisan agenda and running with it. In his speech yesterday, Mr. Cheney stressed the president's mandate. Given the way Mr. Cheney behaved during the first term, it's unnerving to imagine what he may have in mind now.
 
Obviously, the losers in this election are going to be far more eager to see Mr. Bush take a different, more moderate route this time than the winners - especially the triumphalist Congressional Republican leaders. But there's a yearning out there, in red states as well as blue, for a government that works better and with less partisanship. Many of the voters who support Mr. Bush are just as unhappy about economic uncertainties, lost jobs and the number of people who have no health insurance as the people who voted for Mr. Kerry. Vast majorities of Americans want to keep the federal deficit under control, make Social Security financially sound, protect benefits like Medicare and Medicaid, and be sure that there's adequate spending on homeland security.
 
Mr. Bush can address that national yearning - and leave a magnificent legacy to the country - but such an effort will require bipartisan action. Except for his education initiative, the president's domestic agenda thus far has been the product of the Republicans alone, and it has been a mess that has made nobody very happy. Tax cuts are easy to pass, even irresponsible ones. But spending cuts are not, and the president's own party refused to make them happen. Instead, Republican leaders bought the passage of the bills they needed by piling on masses of unnecessary, irresponsible pork. A truly heavy political lift, like fixing Medicare or restraining the deficit, requires national attention and the kind of political support that can come only if both parties feel they have something to gain from success.
 
For Mr. Bush's opponents, one of the great disappointments of this election was the fact that the war in Iraq had little impact on the outcome. The nation is worried about whether the Iraq conflict is going well, but many of the people who wonder whether the president made the wrong choices on that had other interests when they went to the polls: a preference for the president's personality, memories of 9/11 and concern over social issues like gay marriage. While Iraq did not in the end hurt the president's re-election campaign, it has not gone away. Although members of his team campaigned as if Iraq was going very well indeed, they know better. Finding a way out of the morass in Iraq must be the work of all Americans, and on this issue, the president has a real obligation to reach out to the other party. While Democrats may be quietly hoping that Mr. Bush runs into so many problems in the new term that the country will turn back to them in the next election, no partisans are so eager for political gain that they want to see Iraq plunged into an inferno of civil war and terrorism.
 
Tuesday's vote came as a particular shock in places like Europe, where much of the population simply couldn't conceive that people would want to keep Mr. Bush in power. In Britain, Prime Minister Tony Blair made two important points to America's angry allies when he spoke about the results. One was that this is the right time for Mr. Bush to reach out to America's traditional allies - and time for the rest of the world to accept that he will be around for the next four years and must be dealt with as the American people's choice. The other is that the critical goal of stability in the Arab world will never be achieved unless the United States throws itself back into the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. Mr. Blair is one Bush supporter who deserves all the election rewards he can get, and this is the one he's desperate for.
 
For many anti-Bush voters, the wounds of this rancorous campaign will be raw for a long time, and the idea of joining hands with the president will be a nonstarter. And 49 percent of the public expects those in the loyal opposition to continue taking principled stands against the administration. The challenge for them will be to pick their fights wisely.
 
To us, the central domestic issue of the next term will be the Supreme Court, and Mr. Bush's nomination to replace the seriously ailing Chief Justice William Rehnquist. The president could pick a respected jurist of centrist temperament with a genuine belief in judicial restraint, or he could pick someone in the ultra-extreme school of Justice Antonin Scalia. Mr. Bush's social conservative base will be pressing in one direction, and will no doubt remind him that the election turned heavily on social issues, particularly opposition to abortion and gay marriage.
 
The evidence in the polling data that these social issues were crucial to Mr. Bush's win - and that the bulk of those infrequent voters who stood in line for hours to vote were evangelicals, not people against the war - is pretty inescapable. But we were struck by the broad majority of voters who told pollsters that they favored a middle approach on these issues: providing gay couples with the right to have some kind of civil unions, and guaranteeing women the right to legal abortions in most, if not all, cases. This page will never give up our commitment to women's right to reproductive choice, as well as full civil rights for people of all sexual orientations. But a leader who was prepared to make political sacrifices in order to stake a claim to that middle ground could be laying the foundation for a new national consensus that might finally bring the nation's social wars to an end.
 
Mr. Bush could be that leader. He could be the uniter he promised to be, then failed to become, four years ago. He could put an end to a period in national history when too many people go to the polls on Election Day convinced that victory for the other side would mean disaster for the nation. A lot of voters felt that way on Tuesday, and now Mr. Bush has the chance to show them they were wrong.
 
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20617FB3C580C778CDDA80994DC404482&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fOrganizations%2fR%2fRepublican%20Party
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:06 AM
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12. Oh can the shame on you shit.
you mischaracterized the editorial. I may not care for it, and I think it was delusional of them to publish such a hopeful piece, but it's hardly the fulsome praise you claimed it to be.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:03 AM
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22. But that wasn't your initial objection, was it? You challenged the quote.
And now, rather than admit you were maybe a little too quick to suggest I'm a liar, you backpedal and switch to disagreeing with me on how I read the piece. I wouldn't have minded your engaging with me on the interpretation—I was remembering it from two years ago, in the context of still being stunned two days after yet another questionable election—but I never forgot that "magnificent legacy" wording, how gratuitous it was. Nor the deliberate choice of the words "minority" and "losers" to describe those who voted for Kerry, and the deliberate phrase "victorious Republicans". Two years later that still reads as craven toadying to me.

You have a knee-jerk need to defend the NYT. Why, I don't know and don't care. But you make yourself look like a fool, first for challenging my veracity, then compounding it here with your "yeah, but" post, and that's all on you.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:37 AM
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14. ..yeah, but I call it throwing a bone at honesty vs continued drum of MSM

they only do it to keep the facade that they are any better then FAUX news.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:57 AM
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20. "..cocktail weinie sucking hypocrites"!
That describes most of them so well!
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:53 AM
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3. Americans have an assignment on November 7th:
"This November may not force Congress to come up with a plan for Iraq, or even immigration. But if it reminds elected officials that there’s a punishment waiting for those who fall in love with their own sense of entitlement, it will have done its job."

Let's hope all Americans send a big message to this utterly corrupt GOP-led Congress that enough is enough - you all work for us - and your FIRED!

:kick:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:52 AM
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8. This Foley thing is divine intervention.
Holy shit! This is very bad, blah blah blah. It could not have happened better if we planned it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:10 AM
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23. That and some very bad
chickens coming home to roost. And leave to the repukes to try and do a coverup job to make even worse for their sorry asses.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:53 AM
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9. NYT clearly doesn't think GOP is invincible
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:41 AM
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15. I do not think so either, more like the DEMS are incompetant..
..to respond year after year, fiasco after fiasco of the GOP.

They are also not showing leadership...they may have to speak out against a war and take a definitive stance of pulling the troops out and not just call it 'redeployment' double talk. Leaving the troops in status quo is murdering our troops every day!
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:44 AM
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16. To quote Robin Williams,
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently, and for the same reason."
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:44 AM
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17. Lord Acton was right: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely
What's so damnable is that DUUUUUHbya seems intent on capturing absolute power--as if he's not corrupt enough already.

Maybe it's the thirst for power that corrupts.

Newsprism
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:50 AM
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18. The NYT:
"History suggests that once a political party achieves sweeping power, it will only be a matter of time before the power becomes the entire point. Policy, ideology, ethics all gradually fall away, replaced by a political machine that exists to win elections and dispense the goodies that come as a result"

Is that so?

They'd better re-read the history of the Democratic Party:


Franklin D. Roosevelt used his power differently:

Emergency Banking Act/Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) 1933

Federal Emergency Relief Administration (FERA) Revitalized many deteriorating relief programs.

Civil Works Administration (CWA) The CWA provided a psychological and physical boost to its 4 million workers

Civil Works Administration (CWA)

Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) (May 1993)

Works Progress Administration (WPA) 1935-1943

Farm Security Administration (FSA)

Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938

Social Security Act

http://www.bergen.org/AAST/projects/depression/successes.html





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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:54 AM
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19. CSV..conservative social values=
Mass murders, war criminals, sexual perverts, , & more sexual perverts, and just plain ol' Lyin' Perverts.

About time the corporate media did their fucking job and woke the masses the fuck up.
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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:58 AM
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21. Why is this an issue?
He said some inapropiate things to some young men. But nothing happened.

There's an issue of abuse of power, but that's it.

What does bother me is that it smells like a witch hunt. If these boys were so upset and so damaged, why didn't they go to their parents or the cops? All you gotta do is pick up the phone....

And you don't have to read every email you get and there are such things as killfiles.


Sorry but this sort of thing bugs the hell out of me... My first lover was when I was 14. He never laid a hand on me. I guess you could call him a pedophile, but he never touched me. I wish he had. What he did do was make me believe that I was desirable, teach me to respect myself and my lovers.


This is just the old Puritan sex-hatred thang and the politics of personal destruction.

Khash.


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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:13 AM
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24. link Foley said about Pres Clinton READ
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 11:48 AM by april
Here is a link to what Foley had to say about Clinton after the Lewinski thing… Hilarious!

http://www.sptimes.com/ Worldandnation/ 91298/ Congress_sees_through.html

Republicans were aghast at Clinton's behavior, with many saying it showed he had lied and abused his power.

"It's vile," said Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach. "It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction."



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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:26 AM
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25. Yeah, same old same old
the fucked up about sex thang.

The way I heard it it was totally consensual and she pursued him. And so we want to wreck the nation cuz some guy got a blowjob? If so this nation is done and over with. In about 5 minutes.


Khash.
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:49 AM
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26. no and yes
Republicans were aghast at Clinton's behavior, with many saying it showed he had lied and abused his power.

"It's vile," said Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach. "It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction."

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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 12:41 PM
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27. It's an issue because he belongs to the party that hates gays
And I mean HATES GAYS. This is s guy who has an 80% rating from the Christian Coalition. That's a group that cannot utter the word "homosexual" without also using the phrase "an abomination before God."

It's an issue because he was chair of the caucus on missing and exploited children. Just as the Bush administration likes to put oil and timber executives and lobbyists in charge of environmental policy, congressional Republicans put a pedophile in charge of policy on missing and exploited children.

These boys did go to their parents, the cops and the GOP Republican leadership, so I think the point that "all you gotta do is pick up the phone" is moot. They did pick up the phone, and we have heard them.

As yet, we don't know that "nothing happened." When there's one case, there are usually others. (Look at Clinton and the issue of adultery. Jennifer Flowers was the tip of the iceberg.)

An 18 year-old with a 16 year-old is one thing. A 54 year-old authority figure with a 16 year-old is quite another. I don't think children are ready to have sex with adults. They have enough on their plate to worry about before rushing headlong into the world of adult sexuality, or before someone drags them into it. Pedophiles are good at making children feel special, good at earning their trust. I am sorry, but there are a lot of ways to make a kid feel good about themselves and to respect themselves, much better ways than to enter into a sexual or love relationship with them.

Pedophiles don't court, they groom, which is exactly the kind of behavior you see in the Foley e-mails. They do this to get kids to do things they would not ordinarily do. That's not hatred of sex, but respect for freedom. Young people are subject to forms of manipulation that older people seldom fall victim to, and thus are not free to have sex with older lovers (read: abusers). we are not destroying Foley, he destroyed himself--as he himself said (in re Clinton), "It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:15 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:52 PM
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31. No! "The relationship was consensual," huge difference!
The issue isn't about a single consensual relationship or age of consent! In Foley's case, there were complaints by pages, lies as the behavior continued and a cover-up by the Republican leadership! Foley is a sexual predator! The Republican leadership knew this and covered it up!

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/oct/01/timeline_of_foley_email_scandal

http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/newsrelease.php?view=161

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/30/foley.quits/index.html
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:18 PM
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34. Studds admitted he was gay, and the ONE guy he had the relationship with
stood by his side at the press conference and said their relationship had been consensual. A lot different from a closet gay trawling for kicks from multiple kids he's in a position to exert power over. A closet gay who also was in charge of a committee to oversee issues pertaining to kids and sexual predators; who sponsored a law to protect kids from the very same thing he himself was doing; who, caught, is trying to blame his actions on alcoholism. Btw, Studds is now married to the guy he's been with for 15 years.

Yes, I'd say there's a huge difference between the two situations.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:18 PM
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29. it's an issue because cyberstalking underage boys is a crime
just because you don't feel you were a victim of pedophilia does not invalidate the need for laws to protect those under the age of consent.
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CODEPINK Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 01:44 PM
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30. CODEPINK Give Peace A Vote Pledge-Please Sign!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:31 PM
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33. President Clinton is a more worthy human than Representative Foley.
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 02:33 PM by higher class
Clinton never preached morality.

(At least I don't remember hearing or reading anything that even sounded like he criticized another or preached to anyone about sexual morality - when I hear it from anyone I'm tentatively suspicious and I unofficially save it for future 'revelations' - which means the entire Republican Party is suspect for their stupid, pompous, hypocritical mouths during the 1990's and until now with one possible exception - Rep King sometimes said things that implied that Republicans were over the top in their attacks on Pres. Clinton. But, maybe I remember it wrong.)













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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:28 PM
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35. I'm not shocked by all of this. Reports of teen sex parties on the hill...
they've been voiced here on DU and other places for years. Given Gannon's free pass to the White House considering his.. profession, and the stories of young male prostitutes brought to parties for folks in power on the Hill, why is anyone shocked this was swept under the rug?

The hallowed halls of our government are filthy places.. apparently. The only reason the conservatives scream so loudly about Clinton's adult-to-adult consensual tryst, is to keep everyone from seeing what is really going on back there.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:52 AM
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36. GOP leadership "exploring the outer reaches of the galaxy of desperation"
(October 04, 2006 -- 12:50 AM EDT)

I was just reading this post at the Chicago Trib's blog about John Boehner's latest flip-flop on Denny Hastert. (Atrios has this thing of naming intervals of time after certain individuals based on their predictions about Iraq. At this point, a 'Boehner' should be about 10 hours.) And I note that now Boehner too -- in an apparent effort to distract attention to his nine different recollections of what he told Hastert -- is now trying to say Foleygate is all the product of a grand nefarious dirty trick.

From everything I've learned from our reporting on this, I don't think there's anything to the charge. But what strikes me is what the charge would even mean. Is this really a winning argument or is it, as it seems to me, a sign that the House GOP leadership is currently exploring the outer reaches of the galaxy of desperation?

I mean, is it a diabolical plot to reveal that one of members of the House leadership (Foley was a deputy whip) spent the last decade hitting on teenage pages and passed the time between votes having cybersex with them?

Is he like a plant? A pervy Manchurian candidate hived into the 1994 Republican Revolution by the Dems?

I just don't see how this one plays.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010166.php


Josh is on to something, from the link:

Originally posted: October 3, 2006

Top congressman defends Hastert

Posted by Frank James at 12:40 pm CDT, second revision 5:48 pm CDT

The office of House Majority Leader Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio,) has sent reporters a copy of a letter-to-the-editor the congressman wrote to the Washington Times following that paper's editorial today calling for Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) to step down as House speaker.

Boehner's letter doesn't really offer a full-throated defense of the Speaker and his importance to House Republicans. It doesn't offer reasons why it would be a terrible idea to throw Hastert under the bus, to use a phrase that has been heard a lot in Washington in recent days.

What it does is repeat the defense that congressional leaders have used since the scandal broke that they weren't aware of the sexually overheated text messages between former Republican congressman Mark Foley and an erstwhile page.

"...One thing is certain: no one in the leadership, including Speaker Hastert, had any knowledge of the warped and sexually explicit instant messages that were revealed by ABC News last Friday," Boehner says. "...I'm confident the Speaker would have moved to expel Mr. Foley immediately and turn him over to the appropriate authorities."

more...


Boehner?
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