Why the hell was Carville passing Dem info to Matalin on election night?

[blm]

Carville was passing info to Matalin about the vote count.

Kerry's election team was ORIGINALLY challenging 250,000 votes, then some time later, that number get downturned into 150,000 as per the Dem election team number crunchers, as I recall.

It's in Woodward's book.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/01/AR2006100100687.html


>>>>
The book also reminds us what a small town this is. On election night 2004, GOP communications guru Mary Matalin was with Bush and Vice President Cheney and talking with her husband, Democratic strategist James Carville , who was close to -- but not in -- John Kerry 's campaign.

Kerry, Carville told her, was going to challenge 250,000 provisional ballots in Ohio, which could change the result there or tie things up for a long time. Matalin promptly told Cheney, and they met with Bush. The Kerry camp made the announcement shortly thereafter.
>>>>>

[valerief]

1. Sure looks like they're all on the same team. nt

[Totally Committed]

2. Because we are still too stupid to stop trusting him with information

like this. He is married to a Big Kahuna of the Republican Party, and he never shuts up.

You do the math.

TC

[5X]

5. And don't forget his cohort, stephanapolus(sp?). n/t

[Ian David]

11. George Stephanopoulos (n)- A Democrat that only Big Bird can see. n/t

[Ian David]

7. Yeah, he never shuts-up. But can you understand a word he says? n/t

[blm]

10. I don't believe it's that benign.

This is SERIOUS strategy info that Carville should have been too BUSY helping to deal with to be calling his wife at that point.

[Totally Committed]

17. I tend to agree with your assessment... but, I've been saying that

about Carville for a very long time. He cannot and should not be trusted. As long as he's married to that pit-viper he is WAY more of a liability than an asset.

If you are right, and it was not benign... the only thing that comes to mind is that he wanted Kerry to lose to give Hillary a shot this time around, maybe?

Whatever -- he needs to be cut out of any and all Democratic Campaigns like a cancer.

TC

[blm]

18. Completely agree. This article is just another nail in his coffin for me.

His credibility has been dead for some time now. Everyone KNEW he knew Wilson was targeted by Cheney's office as his wife was a key member of the team.

[karynnj]

20. Kerry wanted nothing to do with him

The question is who told Carville. Remember all the grief on these boards because Kerry didn't welcome in all the Clinton people. Even Begala was not asked into the inner circle. McCurry and Lockhart were the Clinton people I remember involved - and the media praised both. (McCurry seemed good. Lockhart nearly got Kerry's campaign mixed up in the TANG thing - Thank God it was Cleland in charge of that part of the campaign. ) On TV, Begala and Carville were worse than useless.

The biggest problem, TC, is their punishment for hurting the Kerry campaign may be be that Hillary gets the nomination.

[Totally Committed]

33. That is disgusting!

Does anyone know how he got that info? And, who called him to pass it on?

"The biggest problem, TC, is their punishment for hurting the Kerry campaign may be be that Hillary gets the nomination."

I swear... if we find out they helped the RNC screwgie that election in any way, he and his entire firm should be cut loose, and Hillary should be disqualified. (I know that isn't possible, but it felt very good to type it! LOL!)

We need to get this info out everywhere NOW.

TC

[karynnj]

38. It should be interesting to see what comes of this

whoever passed this on is talking - Carville was playing with fire doing things like this. The other question is what else did he tell them?

Then he and Begala wrote their smirky book that can be summarized as only they could win elections. In fairness, the Clintons may not have known, but they clearly must have signaled that their people didn't have to go all out to help Kerry. (The thing that could have been the worst would have been if Cleland wouldn't have told Lockhart in no uncertain terms to drop the TANG Bartlett connection. It would be beyond fair if honest Kerry, who was being smeared daily would have been blamed for trying to "smear" the President.)

[Donna Zen]

36. Yep

Plan B

[grasswire]

3. looks like she married him in order to compromise him

Kind of like that FBI agent who married the young woman who allegedly was impregnated by GWB years ago.

[Ian David]

4. The obvious answer is that Mary Matalin must give great head

Of course, she's probably no Nancy Reagan, but still...


Paying Lip Service
An oral history
by James Ledbetter
February 4 - 10, 1998

According to Kitty Kelley's biography, Nancy Reagan "was renowned in Hollywood for performing oral sex." Just-say-yes Nancy--in the days when she was Nancy Davis--was known to give the best blowjob in town, "not only in the evening but in offices. {T}hat was one of the reasons that she was very popular on the MGM lot." It must have made her very popular with Ronnie as well.

More:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/9806,ledbetter,124,1.html

[babylonsister]

8. Gee, thanks. I could have lived the rest of my life not knowing

about Nancy's 'talent'.

[Ian David]

9. You know, Nancy Reagan is single now...

And she can take out her teeth, too!

[Ignis]

31. Gaaaaah!

The goggles--they do nothing!

[Ian David]

32. I'd do Nancy Reagan... but her personal astrologer says I'm the wrong sign

[babylonsister]

35. Ewwww.....

:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. I never felt comfortable about that relationship.

I'm happy for Carville, I'm happy for Matalin, but they could have both done America a big favor if they had withdrawn from politics after they got married. In today's political world, you just can't serve two masters. I also think it's a big mistake for political campaigns to use lawyers from the same lawfirm that your opponent's lawyers come from.

[zulchzulu]

12. I'd like to hear Carville explain that one away...

I like Carville for the most part, but that certainly would make me think about hiring him next time if I was running for President.

As for the story about Kerry challenging 250,000 provisional ballots in Ohio, that must fly in the face of people who thought Kerry wasn't doing anything about the election results.

[blm]

14. But the Dem party number crunchers downturned that number to 150,000

shortly after and took the new number to Kerry.

Smells.....bigtime.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

13. I think James has had some 'splainin' to do for a long time now.

The venomous Maitlin couldn't possibly sleep with anyone who didn't see eye to eye with her unless there was a quid pro quo going on there.

[blm]

37. Plus, she was no doubt part of the gang taking down Wilson and Plame

and yet she gets a pass from media - both of them do.

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. Maybe he was promised some action by his trophy wife.

Ugh. Bad image there.

[blm]

16. Trade nation's democracy for some tail? I doubt SHE's the ONLY motivating

factor here. I believe that there were other bigname Dem players involved and that Carville is part of THAT team.

[NYCGirl]

19. Mary Matalin is many things, but trophy wife is not one of them.

Noun 1. trophy wife - a wife who is an attractive young woman; seldom the first wife of an affluent older man; "his trophy wife was an asset to his business"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=trophy+wife

[blm]

34. *spit take*

/

[wisteria]

21. Because, more than anything else, he is an opportunist. He has

praised Rove in the past,taken potshots at other Dem's and is married to one of the most partisan Republican women in Washington. That should tell you enough about this guy not to trust him with our party.

[wisteria]

22. What do you think happened to down size the number and

change Kerry's mind?

[blm]

23. Dunno. But Carville couldn't have been the only traitorous Dem in position

to block Kerry's win.

[Cha]

24. I wonder who told bob woodward

of carville's Loose Lips? I bet carville's going.."damn damn damn!"

I'd love to hear of carville going on the headshows and try to defend his treason.

[madfloridian]

25. That is almost a traitorous move on the Kerry campaign.

Carville should not have done that.

I have not forgiven him for saying Dean had a political lobotomy...and saying it on Crossfire. That was one of the nicer things he said.

And where was it when he smashed an egg on his face on TV? That was stupid. I don't like that man.

Wonder why the numbers dropped like that on the total number of votes?

[karynnj]

26. He said Dean had a political lobotomy?

What a creep. I had always assumed the first number may have included some double counting, now I'm suspicious.

[madfloridian]

27. That was one of the nicer things he said on Crossfire.

They were very harmful on that show. Begala was just as bad. They said he was crazy in many different ways.

It should never have been allowed to happen without someone from the party speaking out.

[karynnj]

29. I quit watching it in 2004

It was just annoying. In the March time frame they seemed to spend a lot of time doing three things: Making stupid snarky Bush jokes - which were funny, but offened those who didn't already hate Bush, Speak of the possibility (as Kerry won primary after primary) of a deadlocked convention, three whine that Kerry didn't do "this" like Clinton or "that" like Clinton. They never effectively countered any of the conservative knocks on Kerry and they themselves spoke of ABB.

The strange thing about ABB ia the ABX was always a primary thing against frontrunner X. In the general election, there are always a large numbr of people who always vote their party. It bothers me that this did undercut John Kerry. I seriously don;t remember liberal commentators doing that to Clinton - though I know I was not for Clinton in te primaries. Kerry won the primaries more decisively than Clinton had, so this was a pretty cheap shot.

[windbreeze]

28. I wondered what everyone was thinking....

about this situation...I don't care how happy they are together...they live in the same house...and no one can tell me, that they don't discuss things they shouldn't...now we find he's passing information to her on election night, on election night, for crying out loud????....run him out of town on a rail, after a good tar and feather bath ...what was he hoping to accomplish by passing information...and did he succeed?? I have even less use for him now, than I did before, because I never trusted him, once I found out who he was married too..
windbreeze...

[karynnj]

30. Will this at least end the call that a smart candidate would have Carville

run their campaign? Remember that the DCCC had Carville on the list you could check as someone you thought a party leader. (Kerry wasn't on the list - but got enough write ins to place pretty well)

[leesa]

39. Because DLC = GOP?