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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:51 PM
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Wow! Turns out these "pages" are paid over almost $19,000
a year for Congressional pages and $21,000 for Senate pages. Not bad for a part time job.And room and board is provided! Whole families in America are struggling to get by on less.And this is for a part time job! Does this ever beat working at Micky D's! Does anyone else find something wrong with this picture?And the fact that they have to be covered by their own health insurance and have a congressional recomendation, (read parent's are big donors and connected) rules out any poor kids. There is something wrong with this program and it isn't only the predators!
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:54 PM
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1. Think Scholarship
These kids compete academically for these spots. There was one girl from my high school that got selected to go, it was a huge honor for her, and the money was banked for college. It's a sacrifice for both the parent/child to be separated like that, but it's also very rewarding toward their education and future goals.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:00 PM
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4. Think poor kids don't get to go! I also know a wealthy white kid who was
dumb as a rock and a Dem who got to go.And he was cute looking.And the majority party gets most appointments.Do you think the GOP gives appointmnts like this to poor kids with brains? Actually the Dems probably don't either.Think Monica who never got above a C average yet was an intern.Anf there are many like them in both the page program and the intern prigram. Just saying.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:18 PM
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23. The girl from my school didn't have alot of money
She went to work for a GOP person (very religious family). They were just normal middle class, two parents working, one so that they could get their kids in private school for free. She had 2 or 3 siblings as well. She went to college on all scholarships, due to busting her backside studying as hard as she could. Her sister didn't get to go to college, just married at age 19 instead.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:25 PM
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27. Perhaps the fundie's intervened. There are many ways of being
"connected". Private school for free? Hmm. And they couldn't have been so poor as to not afford health insurance. Again really poor kids don't usually qualify.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 10:00 AM
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42. Why do you think you're so sure of yourself?
Her mom worked in the office at the school, and the kids helped in the daycare after school. It wasn't a fundie intervention. They got free breakfast and discounted lunches, so they couldn't be that well off. IMO, they worked their asses off for what they had. And how do you know if they had health insurance or not?

If you read down, you'll see that these kids come from all class structures. Are you just upset that you didn't get to go? Know who you're angry at, and don't take it out on the kids - they can't help the life they were born into, but most of all - there are many who worked hard to get where they are, and you can't lump or fault them over your own misconceived perceptions.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:03 PM
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6. And they are no more seperated than if the kids went to boarding school
came home on vacation.What kind od "sacrifice" is that? Only in boarding school the parents have to pay tuition and this way the kids are paid to go to school! I don't think they should be paid anything.And it should be an academic reward.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:05 PM
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10. They also work their hind ends off
It's not a part-time job - sometimes these kids work around the clock AND go to school and have to keep their grades up.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:56 PM
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2. I agree. This program is intended as a way to thank
big donors. The family kicks in a lot of money and the kid gets some connections and priceless resume fodder. They'll have to make up the time off from school, but I'm sure it's worth the inconvenience.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 02:58 PM
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3. They are required to attend classes every day
I don't believe they lose time from school.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:03 PM
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7. I read earlier that some of them are full time
so those few, at least, probably are not attending school.

Though it makes sense that there would be some kind of school for them to attend.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:05 PM
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11. They all attend school in the mornings before they go to work.
They work part time because they get to go home for vacations and when the Congress is not in session.They have more vacations than regular kids.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:07 PM
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12. They are all full time, so to speak
They live in a dorm-like setting ("rent" is taken out of their salary). Part of the day is spent on the House/Sneate floor and part is spent in class.

At least that's how it used to be.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:03 PM
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9. Not true
Pages are not usually the children of bigwigs. They are promising students recommended by teachers, have a B average or better. I used to work on the Hill and the pages are great kids, a racially diverse group, all income levels.

Please don't disparage the pages in order to trash the Leadership. They don't deserve it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:10 PM
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13. I am sorry to disparage them but not all the pages are as you say.
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 03:47 PM by saracat
this does not mean ALL are in such case but all are "politcal" appointments.The Page Program itself admits that. I agree that the pages (most) work hard and are good kids.I think the program is a great idea, but paying these kids that kind of money is outrageous! And since health insurance is required, how many poor kids are covered? there can't be much income diversity on that fact alone.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:12 PM
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14. What did I say that disparages the pages?
:shrug:

Or mentioned anything about racial diversity? What exactly are you responding to?

I've asked everyone I know who is a teacher if they know anything about recommending their students for this and none of them know anything about it. So it doesn't seem like being a promising student has anything to do with it.

Are there any teachers here who have ever heard anything about recommending a student for a page position?

The fact that you need a recommendation from your rep indicates that this program is a payback opportunity. That's a fault of the program, not the Pages. In any situation where you need approval from a politician, money is going to play a role.

I'm curious how you would know the income levels of Pages families so you could claim that they come from all income levels. It would be nice if it's true, but it's more likely that you're simply making things up.


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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:17 PM
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15. One needs a recommendation to go to a service academy, too
"The fact that you need a recommendation from your rep indicates that this program is a payback opportunity."

Is everyone at West Point or Annapolis a payback kid?

I think you're painting the pages with a broad brush here.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:46 PM
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19. I used to work with pages and, in fact, coordinated some sponsorships
so I do know what I'm talking about. Some of these kids are well-connected suburban kids. Some are inner-city low-income kids. There is considerable diversity among them.

If a teacher doesn't know anything about recommending a student to be a page, perhaps the teacher should brush up on their information in order to better serve their students. The fact that this requires a recommendation from their Rep does not automatically turn this into a "payback" program.

In recent years, Feingold, McKinney, Kucinich, and many other Members who are generally highly regarded by DUers, sponsored pages. Are you saying that they are engaging in political hackery by sponsoring young people as pages? Or do you think it's possible that they see this as a great opportunity for a deserving youngster?

I suggest you learn a little more about the program and the kids involved before you castigate it as nothing more than political pork.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:53 PM
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20. Are you implying Democratic Congressmen and Senators don't
reward their donors? Please. It is payback. How did the "poor' kids get health insurance? You didn't answer that one. It is just like admissions to a private university. My father was on the bord of admissions for one located in the Capitol and its policies were much the same, including needing the congressinal recommendation. And this is a great opportunity but mostly reserved for the rich or well connected.I know for a fact that those are the only kids from my state that get to be pages and I am only familiar with the Democratic appointees. And they were all rich and dumb as rocks.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:12 PM
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22. Funny, even a cursory scan of articles in the media
will turn up quotes like this one.

"Pages essentially are political patronage appointees, and the Senate and House each has its own program."

I don't know what your problem is, but I'm not interested. Keep your suggestions to yourself.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:56 PM
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24. Wow. It appears that teachers don't make the recommendations.
According to government web sites, the recommendation comes only from the representative. No other recommendations are mentioned.

So far, you seem to be such a knowledgeable source of information about this entire program.
:eyes:
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:58 PM
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26. I'll explain more carefully - please try to follow
Members of Congress recommend pages to the House leadership. But their recommendation is based upon the application packet they receive from students, which includes three teacher recommendations, an essay on why they want to become a page, a transcript and a resume listing extracurricular activities, community service, etc.

Each year, our office sent a letter to every high school counselor in our district encouraging them to notify their students of the opportunity and to recommend promising students for sponsorship. My boss also talked to kids about the page program every time he visited a high school and urged students to apply.

Yes, I am quite a knowledgeable source of information about this program since I have actually gone through the process and helped select pages for a Member of Congress. My knowledge is not based upon a cursory scan of the media or Google searches of government websites, but real hands on experience with the actual process.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:04 AM
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30. Yep. Just like college applications and the teachers rec doesn't
mean squat. And it is really easy for wealthy kids to get 3 teacher rec's. In fact teachers in wealthy areas are more likely to even reccomend the page program but it is usually parent's in the know that ask for them.And the congressional office makes the selection based on whatever they determine is most important.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:01 AM
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31. I guess you would know
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:11 AM
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36. Exactly...spot on. n/t
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:09 AM
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35. Guidance counselors, Career counselors vet the students...
recommendations from teachers are used in many cases but not required.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:00 PM
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5. Almost the same amount of money
our men and women in the armed forces receive.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:03 PM
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8. Not enough money to
put up with horney old men.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:19 PM
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16. this is how the wealthy maintain wealth for generations
file with the greek system for guided mating.

many professions work this way - internships are often little better than slavery - to intern in a starchitect's office you have to go without pay, or perhaps minimum wage. if you need to make money to pay back your loans, into the second rank with you!
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:27 PM
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17. Why are Senate pages paid more?
Because the johns in the Senate are older, r somethin'?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:19 PM
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25. Class warfare
(Sorry, it's my current obsession...)

We deny the existence of "class" in this country, but it's always been there.

Those who get to be pages aren't the poor unfortunates of the country, they're the children of privilege. Of course they're paid well; they're better than other people.

Yes, some from the downtrodden classes get to be a part of this program, but the majority are well-connected.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:37 PM
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18. Geez, is there an age limit for being a page?
That kind of money for a part-time job with room and board sounds pretty good to this older American.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:56 PM
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21. That was kind of my point! I was shocked at the level of pay!
And these are the people who against the minimum wage but agree to pay kids $21,000 ayear! Makes you wonder.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:28 PM
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28. Aside from Instant Messaging about plaster fetishes, what do the pages
actually DO? Do they just run errands for the pols? :shrug:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:51 PM
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29. They are like interns.
So they answer phones, deliver documents and papers (they are the Congressional Messenger Service basically) and get stuck with the jobs no one else wants - just like any intern.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:30 AM
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32. They are only allowed to serve for one semester
So, you figure that's about 9K, and then 400 per month is deducted for room and board, so they end up with a whopping 6500 for half a years work.

I don't think that $6500 is out of line for a 16 or 17 year old. And the group is usually very diverse and the program functions to offer an experience for inner city kids and kids from poor rural backgrounds that they otherwise might not have.

I don't think you looked into this program thoroughly before you posted this.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:03 PM
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37. Exactly!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:39 PM
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40. here's some detail
REQUIREMENTS
(I'll assume that the salary stated in this summary has been raised). ALso, here's a link to info on the Senate Page program: http://www.senate.gov/~levin/services/pages/index.html


HOUSE PAGE PROGRAM:

In order to apply for the Congressional Page Program, you must be approaching your junior year of high school. That is, if you are applying for the summer program, you may be a page during the summer prior to your junior year, or the summer following your junior year. If you would like to live, work, and study as a page during the school year, you may be a page during your junior year only. All applicants must be at least sixteen years old on the date they begin their Page term. In addition, students must have a 3.0 GPA (on a 4.0 scale) to be eligible for the House Page School (summer applicants who do not meet the minimum GPA requirement may submit an application for review). In order to be selected as a Page, you must be sponsored by a Member.

Each applicant must submit the following items when applying to be a Congressional Page:

Application Form
High School Transcripts
Social Security Number
Signed Parental Consent Form
50 - 100 word essay describing why you want to become a Republican Page
Resume of extra-curricular activities
Three letters of recommendation

TIME COMMITMENTS

Academic year Pages are asked to serve at least one full semester, and may be asked to serve for two semesters. Academic semesters are considered to be the Fall and Spring and require attendance at the US House of Representatives Page School. The Summer Program starts approximately the second week of June each year with the termination determined by the legislative work schedule. This schedule also determines whether or not there will be one or two terms of the summer Page Program.

It is imperative that you understand that all family activities, as well as home, school, and community activities, which would interrupt your Page school and/or work activities, must be put on hold until you are no longer a Page. You will not be permitted to return home to attend family reunions, parent promotion ceremonies, family trips, home school activities such as conferences, sports events, proms, etc., if they occur during the school and/or work week.

If you do plan to return home for any reason, you must make arrangements to leave after work on Friday and return by curfew on Sunday evening. The House legislative calendar is never set in stone, so please understand that your plans and airline tickets may have to be changed or cancelled if the House calendar dictates it.

DUTIES

Pages are employees of the House and work as a team, uniquely separated from Members' offices. The duties consist of delivery of correspondence, legislative material and small packages within the Congressional complex. A few Pages are assigned to answering the phones in the Members' Cloakrooms, taking messages for Members, calling them to the phone if they are in the House Chamber and preparing the House Floor for sessions. Others monitor a telephone bank of incoming requests for Page service. Every Page will have the opportunity to experience each area of service.

The work experience is supervised by full-time employees who manage the Page work responsibilities on a daily basis. As a Page, you will report to work after classes and work until 5PM or when the House adjourns for the day, whichever is later.

DRESS CODE

A Page in the US House of Representatives is expected to maintain a neat appearance and conservative hairstyle at all times and adhere to the Page Dress Code while working in the Capitol Complex during business hours. Dress requirements for work and school include, for young men, a navy blue wool or acrylic jacket, dark grey slacks, a uniform tie, a white long-sleeved, permanent press dress shirt, solid black shoes and socks. Young women wear a navy blue wool or acrylic jacket, white long-sleeved, permanent press oxford type blouses, a uniform tie, dark grey slacks or a knee-length, non-slit, dark grey skirt, solid black shoes and nylons. Navy blue or white sweaters may be worn in the winter months under the jacket. Usually jackets are not worn from May through Labor Day, except on the House Floor.

The uniform tie will be provided by the Clerk's Office after arrival in Washington, DC. Pages will be charged for any uniform tie they request other than the one allotted.

HOUSE PAGE RESIDENCE HALL

The Page Residence Hall is staffed by a Director and five assistants, all of whom are adults and reside within the quarters. The Residence Hall is located at 501 First Street, SE, three and a half blocks from the Capitol and the Library of Congress, where the school is located. Each room provides ample space for three occupants, with twin beds, desks, chairs, chest of drawers, and adequate closet space. Each room also has a private bath and a telephone to be shared by the occupants.

Pages are responsible for providing their own twin sheets, pillow cases, towels, pillows, hangers, and any small accessories such as desk lamps, book ends, etc.

One floor of the Residence Hall is occupied by young women, and the other by young men. The first floor has a day room and a game room, and the study hall is located on the second floor. Residents are responsible for maintaining their own quarters, which will be inspected weekly to insure cleanliness. Free laundry facilities are provided within the building.

Residents and visitors must sign in with the Capitol Police before entering the building after 6PM. For further contact information, please go to the Office of the Clerk.

HOUSE PAGE SCHOOL

The House Page School is located in the Jefferson Building of the Library of Congress and offers a typical junior year course of study only. The school is accredited through Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools. Classes begin at 6:45AM and include Mathematics, English, Social Studies, Science, French/Spanish, and Computer Technology.

The Washington InSiders Program (WISP) offers field trips and host guest speakers to the students, and Saturday classes are sometimes required. The series of speakers focusing on "How Congress Works" gives the Pages an inside look at the legislative process.

COMPENSATION AND FEES

Pages are paid a monthly gross salary of $1,461.67 from which automatic deductions are made for federal and state taxes, Social Security, and the Residence Hall fee. Pages are paid on the last working day of the month, as are all House Employees.

Page Hall residents must make an initial security deposit of $100 when checking in, refundable within 60 days of termination, when it has been determined that the individual is not responsible for any damage to premises or other charges. The cost of residence life is $400 per month which includes five breakfasts, five lunches and seven dinners per week and is automatically deducted from Page's monthly pay check

School year pages are allowed to open a House Credit Union account ($25 deposit required) and can have their paychecks deposited directly into their account. Summer pages make their own arrangements with a bank in their home town.

It is recommended that Pages bring approximately $250 in travelers checks to cover expenses of the first month, such as lunch, weekend activities, and other miscellaneous expenses.

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:57 AM
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33. That is way better than my graduate school stipend and I don't get room
board.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:03 PM
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38. Maybe you should quit grad school and become a page
since the perks are so great.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:51 PM
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41. Well at least I wouldn't have to worry about mentors coming onto me
that way. :sarcasm
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:05 AM
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34. It is not just for the rich....
or wasn't back in my day anyway. Of course there has recently been the "Patrick Henry" factor that has been placing homeschooled youths.

The page program is really a great program for students who have an interest in a political future and have the grades.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:26 PM
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39. Show of hands: who here was a Congressional page?
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