I think the Puggies are right--the Dems are playing politics.

[Jackpine Radical]

Every day a couple more scandals. New ties to Abramoff emerging, Romney & Weldon today, on top of Kuo's book, the page scandals, the Lancet casualty story actually getting coverage, Kerry standing up & using the L-word that I think might have made him un-Dieboldable in 2004, the Woodward book, and God knows what else coming down the pike.

Yeah, maybe the whining Puggies are right, and the Dems have figured out how to launch an evffective all-out attack, hitting the slimeball opposition everywhere at once. Maybe that's what this is all about. Sort of a political Tet Offensive. God, I hope so. It would be wonderful to discover that we belong to a party that can finally make something work.

We had goddam well BETTER be playing politics. The stakes are too high this time for us to be playing croquet.

[amitten]

1. Oh yeah, they're at it.

And evidently, they're GOOD at it! :toast:

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. Yeah. Who knew? n/t

[Flabbergasted]

2. Thats exactly my thoughts. Thanks. Everything helps and we need it!

[Arugula Latte]

3. How DARE we give them a small taste of their own medicine!

Only Republicans are allowed to play hardball. Oooh, we've overstepped our boundaries! Oh no, whatever shall we do?! :scared:

[Jackpine Radical]

5. it's class warfare, I tell ya.

Class warfare is what they call it when the poor resist being raped by the rich.

[Downtown Hound]

18. I'm all for a little class warfare

Been too long since we've had any of that in my book.

[vixengrl]

20. I like this--

I've always maintained "class warfare" is what the rich cry when they realize they're outnumbered, myself.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. It is only fair if they do it. nt.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

6. I've been wondering the same thing. If so...

we're playing it with a vengeance! Here's one more to add to the juggernaut:

Weldon faces probe on daughter's deals

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061015/ap_on_go_co/congressman_investigation;_ylt=AsQu6YoYXAD8SobYsLwxN9Ss0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OTB1amhuBHNlYwNtdHM-

Hopefully on 11/7 we'll have beat them at their own game. Only we didn't make shit up, we just exposed them for the greedy, corrupt, incompetent "slimeballs" they truly are. Whoddathunkit?

[bemildred]

7. Yeah, what the hell is wrong with "playing politics" anyway? nt

[gully]

8. If the Dems are playing politics

IT'S ABOUT F-ING TIME! - Echoing what you said essentially ; )

[Warpy]

9. It's occurred to me that key GOPs in the web of corruption

are being picked off in a specific order: Delay to reduce the stranglehold on Congress, Abramoff to hit the money laundering that so greatly enriched the party, Ney for scraping the surface of voting scandals, and so on.

We know they've got to go. We know all the strands of the spiderweb are interconnected and eventually we'll get to the big spider in the middle of it.

I'm beginning to hope.

[Swede]

10. Let's cut and run!

:shrug:

[Jackpine Radical]

11. Cut & run? Is that anything like Slash & Burn?

[Union Thug]

12. and it's about fucking time. n/t

[NMDemDist2]

15. ROFL GMTA!

:hi:

[NMDemDist2]

14. and it's about freaking time!! n/t

[tblue]

16. Payback is a MOFO!

[Fovea]

17. But isn't it time for our bio weapons attack?

And my darker side would like a few more republicans to have small plane maintenance issues, but all and all, I am pleased with the progress so far.

[Jackpine Radical]

26. Living up to your name, I see...

"small plane maintenance issues"

But of course, if we have to BECOME thm in order to beat them, we lose.

[TankLV]

29. It's THEIR "game" and THEY redefined the RULES.

If you don't want to win, don't get on the field.

But I can appreciate your sentiments.

But it's impossible to win by playing with gentlemen's rules when everyone else is gutter fighting.

Once we win this war, maybe only then can we begin to change the rules back to civility and niceness...

[elocs]

19. Winning elections is about emotion and passion.

The average American voter does not give a crap about intellectual, well-reasoned debate. They vote with their gut feeling and their emotions. The Republicans have long understood this, so the Democrats had better make the best of the situations when they present themselves. Politics is like a pro wrassling cage match with no rules. So it's time to take the gloves off and kick some ass and then kick it some more and then some more after that for good measure. Never give up and never let up.

[vixengrl]

21. "Politics" is the name of the game--

whether it's "playing" or a job is the difference between professionals and amateurs. The Republicans once looked at their majority status and crowed that the "Adults were now in charge"--in charge of? 9/11? the war in Iraq? The jobless, wageless recovery of the economy they'd botched? North Korea/proliferation? A possible Iran crisis? Not to mention tons of corruption with lobbyists and some improper abuse of power in re--well, pages, and anything else as well. If "in charge" means "to blame for"--they've some answering to do. And Dems should very appropriately make them answer. To the taxpayers they serve.

[iilana X]

22. Hell hath no fury like a democrat scorned.

Game on!

[drm604]

23. Some one sure is,

but I'm not convinced it's the Democratic Party, at least not just them. I've been thinking for a while now that Bush's biggest mistake was pissing off people in the CIA, FBI, and Justice Department.

There are claims circulating that it was someone in the Justice Department who supplied ABC with the Foley material because their attempts to investigate Foley were being quashed by the Attorney General's Office (Ashcroft and then Gonzales).

The CIA, for better or worse, has experience in bringing down governments and there have to be plenty of pissed off current and former agents. The White-house tried to make them look like fools over Iraq, then outed one of their agents, brought down an important front company, and probably cost some lives. You don't do things like that without angering people and you don't want those people angry at you.

While the Democratic Party may have something to do with all of this, I think a lot of it may be Bush's chickens finally coming home to roost. I just wish those chickens could have flown a lot faster.

(Please note: I'm not saying that I agree with organizations like the CIA interfering with internal politics, just that I think that may be part of what's happening here. If it happens to coincide with the good of the country, then so be it. I don't think anyone's being framed here, they're simply exposing criminal activity. The Republicans are partly to blame for making themselves vulnerable to such an attack through their total abandonment of ethics, morality and common sense.)

[MH1]

25. Yep. Interesting timing on that leak to the newspapers about Weldon

Of course he's trying to blame it on Democrats. Methinks he ought to look elsewhere. (Of course, Weldon sort of has a reputation for looking for things where they are not to be found, like WMD in Iraq. for instance).

[Jackpine Radical]

27. Well, I gotta say I think you may be on the mark in your attribution.

I'm also surprised you're the first one to hit this angle. The real dirt may very well be coming out of Spookville. Fortunately, some of the Dems are figuring out what they need to do, too--as witness Kerry's "Lies" speech.

[drm604]

30. I've been thinking something like this could happen since the Plame outing

Either this or assassinations. I couldn't believe anyone could be so stupid as to piss off the CIA like that. I think they may have had to choose between outing and destroying the front company Brewster-Jennings (which, IMHO, was the real goal) or having their aborted plans to plant WMDs discovered. I guess they chose what was from their viewpoint the lesser evil.

And yes, the Dems need to run with this for all they're worth.

[drm604]

32. I give you exhibit A...

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Intelligence_laundry_To_Paris_again_1016.html

In July 2005, it was reported that Congressmen Hoekstra had travelled to Paris along with Congressman Curt Weldon (R-PA), the No. 2 Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, to meet with Ghorbanifar front man Fereidoun Mahdavi.

Two former senior intelligence officers and current intelligence sources abroad have now described a more recent meeting between Hoekstra and Mahdavi that took place in Paris sometime between the spring and summer of this year. What is by far of greatest concern to the sources is that accompanying Hoekstra on the trip was Vaughn Forrest, a mysterious character who, like Ghorbanifar, has ties to the Iran-Contra scandal.

A source close to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirmed the meeting as well, but was unable to verify if Forrest made the trip with Hoekstra.

The bolding is mine.

[Toots]

24. I think it was FDR that said "Nothing in Politics is coincidence"

:shrug: All I can say is what took them so damn long...

[TankLV]

28. God I hope so!

It's LONG overdue!

And not NEARLY vicious and strong enought, IMO...

[WCGreen]

31. It's about fucking time!!!!