Clark, Kucinich, Dean Supporters: Are you disgusted with Media Coverage?

[KoKo]

Are you thinking that something's really wrong here? Are you sick of polls and Media Projections before polls close...?

Or, should we just "get over it" and figure that our candidates weren't strong enough for the Kerry/Edwards ticket that the Media and DLC have picked for us?

Should we just give up now and say ABB=Kerry/Edwards? Is this truly the winning ticket.

Or, would it be better to tease the Repugs along by keeping the field of Candidates open...thereby confusing the Rove/PNAC'ers for awhile.

Wouldn't it have been better to appear like a wiley fox instead of a doofus, duh....bumbler who said ABB.....ABB....ABB......ABBB....ABB..where we played into the media's hand?

Hey.....isn't it really early to have an "Annointed Pres/VP? All chosen by Media Slant?

Or, do you instead feel that Kerry/Edwards was always the best pick and maybe we really didnt need voters in any other states besides IW and NH to vote.....thereby setting up who was the Frontrunner knocking out the rest? Maybe the Media are just excellent with their polls picking candidates FOR US....and we should just give it up?

What?

[Birthmark]

1. What's done is done.

Yeah, our guys (and CMB) got screwed by the media, but a few important things:

1. It ain't over yet.

2. When it is over, it's over. Sen. Kerry will have my vote.

3. The media stink on so many levels that to get too upset over what they did to my guy (Clark) seems rather selfish.

[mot78]

2. I'm ABB, but all these ABB threads are annoying

It's like asking someone the saem question over and over again until they scream. I really wish the whores would shut up and give Clark, Dean, and Kucinich fair coverage, instead of trying to make them look crazy.

[Dagaz]

3. I disagree

If there ever was a media candidate (2 covers of Time) it was Dean. The voters are deciding this one and the media is following this time. I'm just surprised that every state's voters seem to be following Iowa. I definitely expected more independant thinking and less ABB.

[George_Bonanza]

35. Good point

The media made Howard Dean in the first place.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

44. I hate to keep pointing this out....

The media came to Dean because he was drawing huge crowds when no one else was. A year before the election. That's a story. Maybe it was because he was vocalizing the anger that we all felt. Who knows. Now that Kerry is up to speed with taking it to Chimp....

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

4. Political freewill is Dead...

Election 2004 = Establishment vs. Establishment

No matter who wins, "we the people" are screwed.

BTW - I guess all those telecommunications lobbying funds to Kerry's coffers over the years paid off in spades...finally.

JB

[dawgman]

5. I think Clark waited a couple weeks too long to enter the race

and then was promptly ignored. DK has never been mentioned by the media without the tagline "long shot" or "no shot/chance."

To make a long story short, yes I think they both got screwed and I am VERY concerned about the direction of the party.

THe candidates we seem to be left with are DLC. The DLC has PNAC ties and is the big business arm of the party. Their leadership, while gaining us 8 years of Clinton, has lost us governorships, the house and the senate.

I'm worried.

[KoKo]

22. I was not a Clark supporter, but "in hindsight" you are correct! He

missed an opportunity...and maybe he was a better person and candidate than I gave him credit for in the beginning. It was his supporters here on DU that turned me off because of the "pounding posts" in his favor that just went on and on and on. That turned me off to him.

He appears better....and maybe it's because he landed in the same "leaky boat that Kucinich and Dean have. The MEDIA never took them seriously.

Even Dean...they built him up to SMACK him down...Wasn't his fault because when the Repugs control the Media....they control the average American.....

Now, all those non DLC/New Dem Candidates can see it. And, those who thought we here on DU were nuts for trying to warn about the "MEDIA" can maybe see it too? :shrug: We have a MONSTER to slay..and it will take more than this election cycle to do it.

We are in for the "long haul." Compare it to the Chimp's comments about America's WARS......We are in it for the "long haul."

It's a fight to the death...and it's only just begun......:-(

[mot78]

40. He didn't wait too long

There were two reasons, in my opinion, for why he's having trouble.

1. He was hit with a barrage of media spin, because when he entered, he became the front-runner briefly. Attacks suggesting he was a Republican, or that he's a conspiracy nut (ie. post-9/11 phone call from the Canadian think-tank). He wasn't able to withstand the attacks.

2. His strategy a month ago was to be the "anti-Dean" relying on Dean to win Iowa and NH, with him coming in a strong second, making it Dean vs. Clark. Unfortunately, because Dean self-destructed, and signed his "suicide pact" with Gephardt, the rise of Kerry and Edwards hurt Clark and his chance's of becoming part of a two-man race.

It sucks that this happened, but I'm still hopeful he'll pull through.

[jpgray]

6. The media loves two things: building up and tearing down

It was happy to build Dean up, and it was happy to tear him down. It will be the same for any other major candidate.

[Straight Shooter]

7. Kerry is now a sitting duck for the RW attack squad

I don't think it was such a smart idea to run Kerry up the flagpole as the nominee so soon. We should have had more moving targets and dissipated the force of the RW assault. And if you think the media didn't know what it was doing in this maneuver, think again ...

I had a dog in this fight, but he got shot with a tranquilizer gun by the press police. :shrug:

Well, looks like it's coming down to a fight between the Texas terrier and the Massachusetts mongrel.

[jpgray]

8. We don't have a candidate who is invulnerable

And it is extremely debatable who the best candidate is to survive media attacks. Anyone who tells you they "know" who the best one is probably shouldn't be trusted where objectivity is concerned.

[Malva Zebrina]

9. they are all good men

I would vote for anyone of them. Lieberman, I would have had to hold my nose and also Gebhart,as it turns out they will not be the nominee and that is a good result I think--but the rest are all good and worthy men. I will vote for Kerry simply because ABB. My entire small town is talking about ABB it seems. It is incredible the amount of interest and concern and disapproval over the policies of Bush-- the Maine Caucus is tommorrow and I am looking forward to this experience.

[annxburns]

10. Short answer ...

... YES, I am disgusted with the media coverage. Look, the media in 2000 basically smeared Gore and cheered one of the most dangerous, shallow, politically motivated, inept and incompetent presidents in my memory into the WH. And WHY? Because Bush was "nice", he gave the press nicknames, because they were afraid to be called "the liberal media", because they were so used to having Clinton run things competently that they forgot that competence mattered.

In short, the media is f**ked and I wouldn't let them pick my local dog catcher.

Now, on the other hand, I AM ALL ABOUT ABB. ALL ABOUT IT. And if Kerry/Edwards can get rid of Bush then - good luck and God Bless.

Now, Kerry right now is handling the media brilliantly - and the media (for some reason) seems to like Edwards. Is that important? Probably it will help. Clark, who is my favorite, seems to have a tin ear with the media and the chattering class seems to have contempt for him. Makes him more likable in my eyes but it is not helping him get votes. Bottom line is that ANY of our candidates is going to face a corporate media led firing squad. Who handles it better is important and it will give him an edge. I don't like it - but there you go.

Thanks for letting me rant.

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. I'd love to see Clark win but

he'd also make a great VP or Sec. of Defense. Bu$h has trashed our military with his misadventures and Clark is the one person that might be able to fix the mess.

[bloom]

11. i'm very disgusted

I wish they would report the news - not what they think the news ought to be or some such.

As I mentioned in another thread - I was watching NBC and one would have thought from the coverage that Kerry, Edwards and Clark were the ones leading Washington when it was really Kerry, Dean, and Kucinich.

And then in another thread someone saying that people in Washington were not voting for Dean because of the electability issue.... They probably get their info from NBC (or the equivalent).

[Indiana Democrat]

12. Ugh...

I'm personally sick of all these "It's ***Fill in the Blank's*** Fault" posts.

Dean melted-down.

Kucinich is a fringe candidate at best.

Clark was simply not ready for prime-time.


Deal with it.

[dawgman]

13. Read my post. #5

[Indiana Democrat]

14. I did...

...what's the point?

[Democrats unite]

16. You are going to be so disappointed when Kerry falls.

[Indiana Democrat]

24. He's not going too...

...He's not a bumbling hot-head, a fringe candidate or a political neophyte.

[bloom]

17. If you like the spin

it must be in your candidates favor....

[Indiana Democrat]

25. If you complain about the media...

...you've backed a loser.

[ByRillYAN]

21. come on

don't tell me you really believe that. yes dean made mistakes, but when the media focuses on mistakes to the exclusion of all else, it hurts a candidate. Clark seems to have a rather large following here and has really impressed me when i've seen him live. 100% of Kucinich's problem is lack of full, unbiased media coverage. his stances on issues ARE what people want. Progressive tax reform, Universal, single-payer health care, our troops back home, dropping out of NAFTA. other candidates have some of these stances, and those seem to be what people like about those candidates, but Kucinich has all these stances. after really UNDERSTANDING kuch's stances, how can you call him a fringe candidate? that is what the media has labled him as. NOT what he really is.

Now i do really that i have bias for Kucinich, but my point has come from talking to people and reading posts here and at other liberal forums. the media is a driving force in public opion. when the media slants its view and discredites candidates, its sad to say, but alot of the public slants their view and discredites candidates.

[Indiana Democrat]

26. "Reading posts here".

This is a great place to vent but it's not the real world.

Look at all the polls over the past few months...Dean and Kucinich winning going-away. That's not the real world. Obviously.

[KoKo]

36. Indiana......do you trust the polls and Fox and CNN/MSNBC? Can we Trust?

I can't....I wish I could believe this was the America I knew.....I can't trust my meat, my veggies, my air, my water, the stock market, my health care system.....and after "Selection 2000" how can I trust my Government?

Sorry....I just am more cautious...

[Old and In the Way]

43. I don't trust polls....but I do trust results.

The primaries aren't over, still time for Dean, Clark, and Edwards to turn things around. But the results to date must be sobering....Kerry's winning by 15-20 point margins. As long as all 3 campaigns continue, they'll be sharing the votes for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place.

[maryallen]

29. Is that equivalent to "get over it?"

Or are you just adapting a Republican cliche' for Democratic use?

[blm]

18. Why didn't you ask that question 2 months ago?

Or even 1 month ago?

Did you care when others cried out about the medias unfair focus that omitted Kerry, Edwards and Kucinich?

The media that rendered their campaigns as "dead" and "irrelevant" and "toast" just like people here parroted?


Did you hear us?

[KoKo]

38. blm......I 've been working against the "whore media" since I came to DU..

and maybe nothing I posted with our DU "Media Team" as I call them from the early DU days ever caught your attention, but your comment to ME is very hurtful. I care more about the Media Whores bringing down our country than I care even about this damned election/selection!

I care more about the "words" than I do anything......:-( And, this is a total Corporate run Media today. I am thankful every day of my life that the Internet is out there....that we have hope for our future...because where the rest of America gets their news is so controlled that if I was with them....I would have given up too by now and let them decide, because to fight would not be worth it.

It's only because we are here and can read bloggers and each other and do research on our own that we have strength.

But we still are swayed by the polls and no one has put the "clamp down" on announcing winners before polls close and running elections by polls which also sway voters. The Average Joe/Jane on the street wants to vote for who the media says is winning. It's our culture. Sports/Infotainment MANIA OBSESSION.

It's so easy not to think and vote for the Yankees because they are Winners....and who want's to be the "odd person out." They have it all PsyOped to the MAX with Focus Groups and Psycholgist/Marketers/Ad Agencies.

We are dupes and pawns right now.......I thought we could do better....and I wasn't as partisan as you although I supported and still do Dean/Kucinich. I knew more is wrong that this election will fix....it will take years....

[Old and In the Way]

42. You presume a lot.

"The Average Joe/Jane on the street wants to vote for who the media says is winning."

Or maybe the "average Joe/Jane" has made just as reasoned and informed decision as you have....but reached a totally different conclusion on who can best effect this regime change.

Remember this Koko01. The "ignorant masses" who are "duped" by the "evil media", (1) don't vote in primaries; hell, they don't vote in GEs either. (2) Are more likely to be Republicans who buy this the BS story of this administration. Democrats who vote in primaries are probably just as likely to be as politically active and informed as you and I.

[blm]

49. Don't take it personally, KoKo.

I didn't mean it that way. I'm just making an overall point and use your post to take the opportunity to do so.

I do it to reach the larger audience out there. That's why I sound tougher at times. Thought you picked up on that by now. ;)

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

19. On the contrary, the media annointed Dean

and the public did their OWN thinking and made their OWN choice based on the merits.

It's not the media's fault Dean fell flat on his face.

[Southsideirish]

20. Something is very wrong here and it has to do with the Democratic

establishment conniving with the vultures in the media - neither of which wanted any "change" thus they greased it for establishment John Kerry.
The question is how will we ever effect change in the Democratic party if we always have to wind up falling in line in the GE like good soldiers to vote for the anointed candidate?

[KoKo]

23. Absolutely! OMG......its Collusion! The two are in a Tango where they

mimic the dance moves....meanwhile we here are "locked out" and the "wallflowers" standing on the sidelines....doing our dances with ourselves while the "Tango Stars" go to the finals......:nuke:

[maryallen]

27. Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winnner!

[Old and In the Way]

39. So the Democrats are the enemy, not the RNC......

:eyes:

Why do you hate the idea that real Democrats are voting for Kerry as their choice? Do you hold every Democratic voter in such low regard? Your contempt of a process that empowers everyone to vote his choice is pretty blatant. Maybe you think you know better than millions of Democrats who the best choice is, but I kind of doubt it.

[eileen_d]

47. Bravo!

Your contempt of a process that empowers everyone to vote his choice is pretty blatant. - well said.

Seems to me that some folks' respect for "The People" is contingent on whether "The People" support their preferred candidate.

For example, "People-Powered Howard" has passionate supporters, but supporters aren't tallied up in the end - voters are. When supporters fail to respect voters, the former shouldn't be surprised that they fail to attract more of the latter.

[Old and In the Way]

28. I see the same "evidence" and I come to opposite conclusions.

Dean got all the political oxygen in 2003, maybe rightfully so, I might add. But Dean had the media talking heads (the same ones who seem to be biased to the Republicans)crowning him "the people's choice".

But a funny thing happened. "The people" had other ideas about who they wanted to lead them against Bush in November. It is so overwhelmingly clear that the "grassroots" are behind Kerry, I wonder why you find this such a depressing thought?

[KoKo]

32. I could look at it your way....if I hadn't seen what they did to Clinton/

Gore..and seen a pattern. They are "full of themselves" the Media. They know they can "Annoint" and then "Tear Down" all with a slant and a turn and blame it on the public.

I know many of you think that those of us here who are obsessed with the media..seeing it as the Corporate Whore of America are really "OTT" and that we aren't seeing that the people really all along wanted Kerry/Edwards as the Master Ticket. That we are "sour grapes" and all the rest.

But......those who've been here through all of this and know that Gore really is the President and that Saddam was no threat to the US in his debilitated state after Poppy went in and UN sanctioned and Clinton bombed him, know that something is VERY WRONG IN AMERICA.

We are maybe seen as "Alarmists" and those who can't deal with the real vote of the American People.

But, if our vote was stolen once my Media trashing of a Democratic Candidate and the Repugs and Sumpremes....then how do we know that what's going on now is REAL? How do we know? And isn't it something we should always be questioning? No matter how much you and I might want to trust and believe that Kerry/Edwards will make it alright? And that they are winning it "fair and square?" Can we trust this?
Can we believe that the media isn't a perfected "PSY OPS" to an overworksed and attention deficit American Public who are tired, worn out and feel very threatened...and just don't want to deal with it all? :shrug:

[Old and In the Way]

37. I agree with your points, but

No one candidate has a franchise on Democratic voter outrage over the actions of the media, the RNC, and the stolen election. I think you also agree on this point. People are not voting for Kerry, oblivious of what's occurred in our country over the past 15 years or so. They have reached the same conclusions that you and every supporter of every candidate has come to - Bush and the RNC must be defeated soundly.

The only thing we disagree on is the choice of instrument to accomplish the end.

[corporatewhore]

30. " I dub thee Kerry the Electable and Kerry the Winner"-CNN

[Uzybone]

31. More crying

how about those supporters actually getting out there and trying to convince someone to vote for their candidates. Instead of sitting here complaining about the media again and again. When Dean was the media darling the only media bias we heard about was pro republican.

[KoKo]

33. Uzy.....why do you think those of us here aren't doing just what you say?

How do you know what we are doing.....those posting here....and myself who posted this?

[knight_of_the_star]

34. Gods know I am!!!

We WILL prove them wrong on Tuesday!

[David Zephyr]

41. Baby, I'm Always Disgusted With the Media.

One day, I'll get you to believe there never was a Golden Age of the Media, but I can wait.

In the meantime, yes, it is disgusting.

[revcarol]

45. "Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad."

Longfellow

Whom the MEDIA would destroy, they first make APPEAR mad.

Think about it:

The darling of the media, Dean, was turned from an outspoken critic of the President into someone who was so angry he is "unhinged."

Clark was morphed into a Republican following years of high quality service to our country, and what Democrat would vote for a Republican?

Kucinich was always portrayed as a mad vegan, who was a dreamer despite being the most specific of all the candidates on how he would pay for his programs.

We've been had, and I,FOR ONE, AM NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP THE FIGHT!!

[KoKo]

46. revcarol.......what a great post! Ain't it the truth! Thanks...n/t

[MrSoundAndVision]

48. Kerry WILL NOT get my vote

I mean this guy had ample opportunity to say something substantive about the state of American society, yet squandered it with speaking out of terms and saying nothing. And here he is, getting 55% in some states, and he's still not saying anything substantive. It's more than obvious it's the media propping this skeleton up, so obvious it should be insulting.

When the media runs headlines on Yahoo's main page like 'Kerry looking for commanding lead' before the votes were cast today, it should sound some alarms to those of us that can read.

So, no, I will not be voting John Kerry. And I will not believe that I have to get behind whoever the media tells me to just to express my basic rights to vote and protest.

Ahem...by the way, the media is on the other side.

Dennis Kucinich for President

[revcarol]

50. Donkey kick!!

So important that we not give up!!:kick:

[TheBigDemo]

51. When Edwards gets more coverage for winning his HOME state

of SC than Clark gets for winning Oklahoma and getting more second places yes. But such is life. The media wants Kerry. Period, I think it is now just a matter of timing.

James K.

[stickdog]

52. Of course.

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