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Sat Feb-07-04 07:32 PM
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White House has tv ads made calling Kerry a New England liberal. |
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On MSNBC just now, Howard Fineman report that the White House already has tv ads produced which call John Kerry a New England liberal.
(didn't make clear if they use the phrase "New England liberal" or if that is the gist)
White House is waiting for the right time to start spending $200 million playing these ads.
Is there anything we can do to counter this?
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:33 PM
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:34 PM
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2. Let them label and have a character assasination |
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I want Kerry fighting on the issues and defending his record.
the WH will be consumed in oly negativity which has been proven to fail every time.
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Sun Feb-08-04 03:45 AM
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Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 03:48 AM by Feanorcurufinwe
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Sun Feb-08-04 08:08 AM
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35. John F. Kennedy was a New England liberal |
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that should be the response... and then an impassioned defense of all the things liberals believe, in terms like John Edwards and Howard Dean use...
Then go on the offense and attack Bush and the so-called conservatives. And I think they should say "so-called conservatives," because the guys calling themselves conservatives are in so many ways very far from being true conservatives.
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:34 PM
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3. Well, Al Franken outlined a great ad for Kerry several months ago. |
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Maybe we should get him on the job.
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:34 PM
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For once the White House isn't lying, Kerry is a New England Liberal.
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:34 PM
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5. "Is there anything we can do to counter this?" |
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Sure, don't nominate John Kerry.
Howard Dean can't be so easily pigenhole. He's a fiscal conservative, isn't a part of the establishment, and supports gun rights.
And General Clark can't be so easily pigenholed either.
I don't know why we're nominating the easiest candidate for the Rethugs to beat, but we are. I feel like screaming!
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:35 PM
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6. If Kerry's smart, he won't run from the label... |
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... because if he does it will indicate that there's something wrong with it, and he can't run that fast, anyway. He should do what JFK did - embrace it and make it his own.
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:37 PM
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:39 PM
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Most folks that voted for him in the primary or that plan on voting for him if he wins the nomination, know he's a "Mass Liberal".
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:37 PM
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8. That's insulting to our founding fathers-- guys--people. |
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Truly dumb attack on a veteran, considering how patriotic the repukes made everyone after nine eleven.
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:38 PM
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9. Repubs Effectively use the L |
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word because we are so effective at running from it like its a bad word. Since the days of Regean -- we've let the right define our party. If we run from the word then why shouldn't the rest of the country?
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:42 PM
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11. I think we need a massive "proud to be a liberal" campaign |
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Kerry mentioned something about the Boston Tea Party - I think this would be a GREAT time to use that imagery.
If he fights it - I think he'll drown.
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Sun Feb-08-04 04:20 AM
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30. Could not agree more. Bring it on! |
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Sun Feb-08-04 09:35 AM
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38. "Proud to be a Liberal," - how do we spread that? (nt) |
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:45 PM
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12. What's wrong with being a New England liberal? |
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:48 PM
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13. Need to state the obvious... |
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The Repukes will call anybody we nominate a liberal.
Dean? New England Liberal. "Never mind his record as govorner, look at the way he's anti war!" will be thier cry.
Clark? Arkansas Liberal. "Just like Bill Clinton!"
Edwards? Liberal Trial Lawyer. "Also just like Bill Clinton!"
Other candidates left out because I'm lazy.
We could nominate the ghosts of Richard Nixon and Barry Goldwater and they'd call them "Liberal". (Nixon's from California, just like them San Fransisco <insert derisive term here>. And that Goldwater fellow...)
We can run from it (like Dean wants to) or embrace it or ignore it. We will win not because of what they tar us with, but with the FACT that we are right on issues, and on character, no matter who we nominate!
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:53 PM
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16. And that Goldwater fellow... |
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said mean things about God's chosen Republicans.
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:49 PM
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14. He has got to enlist Edwards into the campaign as his running mate |
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Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 07:55 PM by Marianne
then the accusation of northeast liberal will lose some of it's clout.
I hope he does ask Edwards. I think it pretty much established that Kerry will be the nominee. HE was not my first choice, but in order to squelch that "northeast liberal" accusation, he has got to enlist Edwards, whose showing has been strong lately.
and further, he ought to sneer at any "Texas" cowhorn--or anyone pretentding to be a big Texas, shoot em up, let's pretend cowboy. He ought to take some aggressive language against the let's pretend, tough Texas cowboy image. It has really been to no use to anyone--Bush's "let's pretend", strutting palms backward, ass stuck out, as if poised to draw on his six shooters any minute now.
Kerry needs to emphasize his intelligence, his awareness because of that intelligence, his up to date wife and her concerns, and needs to laud it all over the stupid little Texas cowboy twit and his cowgirl, leach of a frump--they are rich--they are very rich, very rich--more rich than you or I will ever be, and well positioned--they do not think they are responsible to we the people, like Kerry seems to be geared toward, in spite of his wealth--Bush and Laura, they are NOT Texas , camping out, poor little cowranchers so humble in their little rawford pig farm entertaining guests with their humbel BBq--they are NOT humble--they are manipulators and they are both liars, happy to be entertaining on our money. We pay for the obscenity of their dinner parties in Crawford accompanied by the first lady's tablecloth shawl. They are very rich people who capitalized on the northeast politics to begin with and who summer here as a choice over the Texas heat and dry gulch scenery. That is the way of the "entitled" summer people as they are known here.
Kerry should take the offensive on this.
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Sun Feb-08-04 03:55 AM
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26. Possibly, but the VP rarely comes from those seeking the top job |
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The last time was reagan/Bush, and before that, Humphrey/Muske.
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Sat Feb-07-04 07:53 PM
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15. You can bet the NRA has the letters ready to mail |
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I expect to be getting my letter from the NRA about John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton taking our guns away. It's going to be the same thing again, they will divide the country with the guns, gays and God issues and that is what the media will play up.
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Sat Feb-07-04 08:18 PM
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17. nobody believes that shit |
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Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 08:19 PM by rchsod
except dumb ass brain dead republicans.
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Sun Feb-08-04 09:45 AM
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40. who you aren't going to change anyhow. n/t |
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Sat Feb-07-04 08:19 PM
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18. Sure there is, we can call Bush a fascist... |
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But I'm not quite sure that we have the balls to do that.
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Sat Feb-07-04 08:22 PM
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20. i think you`re on to something |
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but maybe kerry could call him a coward if bush refuses to say where he was.
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Sun Feb-08-04 04:25 AM
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31. We need to stop being afraid to state the obvious fact. |
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I never shirk from calling b*sh a fascist traitor, even in front of known Republicans.
In fact, I cherish it all the more when I say it in front of them. I AM NOT AFRAID. That is how to beat these people - cease to be afraid.
It's hard - believe me. I still have to write up what happened to me on the way to work. But the point is, we must call them on their fascism. Silence is complicity.
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Sun Feb-08-04 09:37 AM
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39. What evidence do you give them re "fascist traitor?" nt |
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Sat Feb-07-04 08:20 PM
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19. I think it will backfire |
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That is if he is the nominee.
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Sat Feb-07-04 08:29 PM
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The New England Liberal VS The Southern Conservative, as for me and my family we'll take the liberal every time.
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Sat Feb-07-04 08:36 PM
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22. Say they're wrong hes a new england NEOliberal |
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Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 08:37 PM by corporatewhore
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Sun Feb-08-04 03:34 AM
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23. Bush is a family of NE liberals in a hat wanting back into W.D.C. |
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I don't think they even got down there fast enough to be smart carpetbaggers.
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Sun Feb-08-04 03:49 AM
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25. "An Agenda for All Americans" |
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Remarks by Senator John Kerry at the Virginia Jefferson Jackson Dinner
February 07, 2004
Richmond, Virginia
As Prepared for Delivery
Virginia, as we stand here tonight, a great message is being sent from Michigan and Washington State, the same message we heard from Iowa to Missouri to Arizona and New Mexico, the same message I am carrying to Virginia and Tennessee:
George Bush’s days are numbered – and change is coming to America.
I want to thank all those who stood with us today. And I want to ask all of you to stand with us next Tuesday.
And once again, I want to express a special thanks to the veterans, the same band of brothers I depended on 30 years ago. We may be a little older, a little grayer, but we still know how to fight for our country – and we’re going to win.
You know, this week George Bush and the Republican smear machine have trotted out the same old tired lines of attack that they’ve used before to divide this nation and to evade the real issues before us. Well, I have news for George Bush, Karl Rove, Ed Gillespie and the rest of their gang: I have fought for my country my whole life. I’m not going to back down now. This is one Democrat who’s going to fight back – and I’ve only just begun to fight.
George Bush, who speaks of strength, has made America weaker – weaker economically, weaker in health care and education. And the truth is – George Bush has made us weaker militarily by overextending our forces, overstraining our reserves, and driving away our allies.
This Administration has run the most arrogant, reckless, inept and ideological foreign policy in our modern history.
So abroad and at home, all across the board, America faces a fundamental choice in this election:
Will we stand with the mainstream values that have defined our country – or will we continue on the extreme path of the Bush Administration – a path fundamentally at odds with our history and our hopes?
We as Democrats will not run from a debate about who represents mainstream America; we welcome it.
This Administration has followed the extreme course of massive tax cuts for those at the top and the highest budget deficits in history. We will fight for the mainstream American value of fairness – and we will repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealth so we can invest in health care and the education of our children. We will fight for the mainstream value of fiscal responsibility – and we will cut the budget deficit in half in four years.
The extreme policies of this Administration have cost America 3 million jobs in 3 years. How dare they even mention the economy when they have lost manufacturing jobs every single month they have been in office? We shouldn’t be opening job training centers in Baghdad while cutting job training and cutting unemployment benefits here at home. We will fight for the mainstream American value of opportunity not just for some, but for all. We will demand worker and environmental protections in every trade agreement. And we will scour the tax code and eliminated every loophole, every incentive, and every benefit that rewards any Benedict Arnold CEO or company for sending American jobs overseas.
And nowhere is this Administration more extreme than on health care – where they side with the HMOs and let insurance premiums go through the roof while 2.4 million people lose coverage in one year. And then instead of a prescription drug benefit for seniors under Medicare, they pass a sham bill that gives the prescription drug companies a $139 billion benefit and counting. We are fighting for the mainstream value of health care as a right and not a privilege – for the principle that seniors should not have to choose between food and medicine – and that your family’s health is just as important as any politician’s in Washington.
This extreme Administration appoints a far-right activist to implement the Violence Against Women Act whose organization says – and I quote: “The battered women’s movement has outlived its usefulness.” They appoint Charles Pickering to the Court of Appeals after he tried to reduce the sentence of a cross-burner. We are fighting for the mainstream American values of equal rights and civil rights – and an Attorney General of the United States whose name is not John Ashcroft.
This extreme Administration – even in these dangerous times – denies breathing equipment to firefighters and takes police off the beat even while murder and violent crime are going up. I am a former prosecutor – and in the Senate, I led the fight that put 100,000 new police on our streets. And in 2004, we will fight for the mainstream American value of safety and security across our nation and in our neighborhoods – because protecting our families is more important than another round of tax cuts for the privileged.
In the face of the Bush Administration’s failures, we know what kind of campaign the Bush attack machine will run. They did it to my friend John McCain in South Carolina in 2000. They did it to my friend Max Cleland in Georgia in 2002. Well, it’s not going to work in 2004 – for a very simple reason. They’re extreme. We’re mainstream – and we’re going to stand up and fight back.
Our opponents now say they want to campaign on national security. But this is the same Administration that slashes health care for veterans, attempts to cut combat pay for our troops in the field, makes injured soldiers pay for their own hospital meals, and forces our men and women in Iraq to buy their own body armor. We are fighting for the mainstream value of a stronger America – and for the ideal that the first duty of patriotism is to honor those who wear and have worn the uniform of the United States.
A few months ago, we all saw George Bush play dress up on an aircraft carrier. Well, I know something about aircraft carriers for real. And if George W. Bush wants to make national security the central issue in this campaign, I have three words for him I know he understands: Bring it on.
I ask all of you now to join in our journey. I believe that, with faith in our ideals and in each other, we can return America to the mainstream road of greatness and justice. And to all of you I say: Get ready – a new day is on the way.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0207.html
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Sun Feb-08-04 03:57 AM
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27. That deserves it's own thread! |
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Sun Feb-08-04 04:02 AM
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28. I agree with those saying not to run from it |
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In '88, I thought that was just so silly of Dukakis. When it happens, I suggest Kerry says, 'they call me a liberal, and I think that is fantastic. I am glad to stand shoulder to shoulder with other great liberals, such as FDR and Harry S. Truman. These liberals represented the best of America, and so do I' something along these lines.
He can also use Clark's response to Bill Maher, which, while ignoring the traditional political vs. 'modern' definitions of liberal, was a good answer anyway.
But we could also nominate someone else.
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Sun Feb-08-04 04:07 AM
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29. oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy |
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Oh I am leaping!! They're really going to do this. lolololololol. People are SOOOOOO tired of this shit. hahahahaha. They really are out of touch with what Americans are thinking. Sssshhhh, don't tell them!
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Sun Feb-08-04 04:30 AM
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a quarter BILLION Dollars, this is the best they can do?
Kerry has his own weaknesses, but the Dukakis thing is tired. Kerry can be hit on various individual issues and flip flopping, but these labels are well, childish.
I honestly think that if they wanted to atack him in a morte substantive way, they'd call him a big pander bear. THat might stick, but that too is weak.
The only thing I know which might turn people off is them trying to link his anti VN war protesting group with "Hanoi Jane". That might draw some veterans away from Kerry.
They could also attack his stance omn cutting funding for intelligence after the cold war or maybe his inconconsistancies of voting against the 1st gulf war, but for the last one, while at the same time, opposing it.
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Sun Feb-08-04 04:53 AM
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33. Well, if that label is all they've got, they're in serious denial |
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about what Americans are concerned about in 2004.
How about if Kerry says: "I know I am, but what are you? And P.S., the country's in the toilet and it's your fault."
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Sun Feb-08-04 06:20 AM
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& move him to Mississippi?
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Sun Feb-08-04 08:24 AM
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36. it's nice to see the white house tell the truth for a change. |
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Sun Feb-08-04 09:26 AM
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37. Good aggravate the whole region not just Mass |
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Big mistake - I hope they run 'em.
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Sun Feb-08-04 09:52 AM
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GW Bush is the Greatest President of Texas this country has ever had. Even next door in Louisiana, Texans annoy us.
Actually focus on incompetence. A great swath of voters place greater importance on competence than ideology and Bush ain't got competence. On the budget, on foreign affairs, on the WMD.
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Kerry is going to get his lunch handed to him by the WH-Voted right along with * on everythingand comes from the NE, also friends with Kennedy. He has nothing that he is credible or can stand on..
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Sun Feb-08-04 10:48 AM
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43. How are these ads going to look with Bush at the end saying, |
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I approved this message. Won't it make him look bad.
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Sun Feb-08-04 11:00 AM
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44. Insulting oversimplification...but also true to most of the country. eom |
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Sun Feb-08-04 11:01 AM
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45. Wasn't the chimp born in New England? |
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Doesn't his family have a home in Maine? I hope when Kerry is branded as a New England Liberal, he'll embrace his roots and his ideology and ask why the chimp has downplayed his New England roots and ask what the hell ever happened to the "Compassionate" conservative he once claimed to be.
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