Does it bother anyone that John kerry is a Bonesman?

[Imagevision]

A simple yes or no will do

(those unfamiliar with Bonesman activities-membership disregard)

[Nite Owl]

1. No n/t

[HereSince1628]

2. It bothers me more that as an adult he chose to be a DLC'er

Because the later sort of suggests the notion that interest in elite good old-boyism wasn't a passing collegiate fancy.

[Mass]

9. He did at the same time Gore and Dean did.

[HereSince1628]

13. Yes and that doesn't result in absolution for any of them.

[fujiyama]

95. Did his affiliation with them

result in him voting for an extreme pro corporate agenda?

If you look closely, his voting record is very different from those of most other DLC members.

[Demeter]

3. Absolutely YES!

I expect that's why Kerry blew his second chance and didn't contest the election results. And now he wants a third chance? NO F'ING WAY!

[Imagevision]

16. Demeter, the Bonesman credo is 'they don't turn against one another

it's part of their pledge

[Demeter]

19. No Kidding

I thought I said that!

And if you think this credo restrains Dubya, you are the only one!

[blm]

22. Clinton covered up for BushInc after Kerry investigated and exposed their

crimes.

Clinton acts like a Bonesman but wasn't. Clinton WAS a Bonesman, but never ACTED like a Bonesman.

[Dr Fate]

25. What evil deeds did Kerry perform as a result of these sinister facts?

And when did you stop beating your wife? A yes or no will do.

[calimary]

45. And he will be bound by it next time he runs, too.

Yes, it bothers me a lot. I realize it'll be akin to "well, he's an asshole, but he's OUR asshole." Nevertheless, it bothers me a lot.

[blm]

73. Then explain how it is that Clinton was the one covering up for BushInc

when it was KERRY who was the ONLY person in DC who would even take BushInc on for the most serious battles and exposed more corruption than ANY lawmaker in the last 35 years?

What does that say about every OTHER lawmaker?

[Dr Fate]

26. Are you saying that S&B ordered him to "lose on purpose?"

???

[mitchtv]

4. no

[whistle]

John Kerry is a U.S. Senator correct, then as long as he does

...his job as senator, I have no problem with that.

[Hosnon]

5. All things being equal? Yes. But in the world as it stands...no. I think

there are many, many things that have moved ahead of this organization on his list of priorities.

I could be wrong but that is my opinion.

Edit: So my answer is "no".

[blm]

6. He never used it for gain. Never used it to cover their crimes. So...NO.

Clinton wasn't a Bonesman and he covered more Bush ass than any Democrat alive, including Lee Hamilton.

[SmokingJacket]

7. Not anymore.

I mean, it bugged me somewhat when he was running for president, but not so much anymore.

(It bothered me that another rich, white, Yalie was running for president -- or rather that what qualified a person for the presidency in 1789 still hasn't changed. That bugged me. I'm not so certain all Bonesmen take a vow of evil, though.)

[CTyankee]

23. Training the country's leaders of tomorrow is a broad Yale

raison d'etre. That what Yale considers its mission. So it is not surprising that Yalies feel that this is what they should be. No, not Jodie Foster and Meryl Streep. But I would bet a fairly good number of Yalies feel that way.

[SmokingJacket]

28. Plus it's the institution of choice for the ruling classes.

I have nothing against Yale at all. But it would be a nice change to have a someone from a whole different worldview.

[CTyankee]

39. You are absolutely right. Even Yalies I know well and like can be

infuriatingly obtuse about the rest of America out there.

As much a part of the elite as John Kerry is and was, his real claim to that high station was the fact that his mother was a Forbes. His father's family didn't have much money or status. Plus he was Roman Catholic and at his NE prep school (I forget which one)that marked him as slightly declasse. It is so stupid, really.

My first husband was a New Englander and a Harvard man. He has just never gotten over it. It means everything to him, when you get right down to it. I think it is sad.

[Mass]

8. No -

[Solo_in_MD]

10. Many establishment pols are

That he is one means he is just another establishment pol, and no he should not get another chance to lose to a repuke

[woodsprite]

11. Yes.

Although in the last election he could have been classified as the less evil of the two bonesmen ;) I figure he has some of the same friends and alliegences as *, but more smarts, a conscience, and a love of what the United States stands for. I don't think he would have looked at the Treasury as his own personal piggy bank.

I'm an Aries and I talk too much - a simple yes is almost impossible ;)

[Dr Fate]

12. Only if you can show me a single evil deed Kerry performed through S & B.

Can you?

If you are not prepared to do so, then what is the point of this post other than to say, in effect:

Do you think it is wrong how Kerry abuses his wife, yes or no?

The question implies he did something evil or bad w/o telling us what it is that he did.

What evil deed he supposedly perform through his S&B connections?

[nam78_two]

32. Thank you!/nt

[NYCGirl]

14. No. NT

[Greyhound]

15. Yes, but not to the point that it has much effect on my opinion of him.n/t

[Mojambo]

17. Hey, what he does in the privacy of his bedroom is HIS business. n/t

[saracat]

18. Absolutely NOT. Many presidents have been members of

fraternities and college clubs .Big Deal. So he went to an ivy league college.It is only people who don't really know anything about those organizations and make up stuff assigning conspiracy theory stupidity to the organizations! And I question why this garbage is even posted except to start a flame war!

[Dr Fate]

20. Does it bother anyone that no one can tell us what evil deeds Kerry did...

...through his S & B connections?

Not even one single, solitary, solid example of what evil deeds he supposedly performed through his membership connections?

Well, It bothers the hell out of me.

Hey, Imagevision-Did you stop beating your wife & children yet? Yes or No will suffice.

[Imagevision]

30. Dr Fate, the Skull & Bones are a secret society

[fedupinBushcountry]

33. Wow

So is my son's fraternity, funny he won't tell me not one secret. Damn him.

:rofl:

[nam78_two]

34. So are the Freemasons/nt

[Dr Fate]

43. So are the Shriners. n/t

n/t

[Dr Fate]

42. In other words, you would have to make something up to answer me.

Did you stop beating your wife yet? Yes or no?

Can you at least GUESS what evil things he may have done?

[blm]

74. Then why did Kerry EXPOSE BushInc's most COVERT DEALINGS while Clinton

chose to COVER THEM UP when he took office?

[Blue_In_AK]

21. No. n/t

[wyldwolf]

24. I don't usually like spoiled frat boys, but it doesn't bother me

[Dr Fate]

27. Spoiled frat boys dont generally find themselves in combat zones.

Unless you buy the Swiftboaters and other smear artists.

[wyldwolf]

62. true, but my point is "bonesmen" are just spoiled frat boys

...unless you believe the anarchist tin foil hat nutcases.

[snowbear]

29. It's not something I think about.. so nope, guess it doesn't bother me..

[nam78_two]

31. No

This skull and bones stuff is like a bad movie :eyes:

There is nothing anyone can point to, that he has done thats a direct result of being a member of that fraternity...
But, I remember the Naderites making a big deal out of it in 2004-its good that they had their priorities straight and now we have Roberts and Alito on the SC :eyes:. I typically like the Greens and what they stand for but their priorities don't match mine.

[laugle]

35. Can you say "BOHEMIAN GROVE" and let's

just blame Clinton.........sound familiar??

[beyurslf]

36. No.

[shawmut]

37. no n/t

[WildEyedLiberal]

38. Does it bother you that George Washington was a Mason?

They're secret, too.

[CTyankee]

41. My father was a mason

I never thought anything really sinister went on at his lodge meetings. It was probably more of a social thing.

[WildEyedLiberal]

44. Exactly

But some people feel the need to attribute salacious, sinister, and evil motives to anything outside of public view. Skull and Bones was just an elite club for rich kids at Yale - big deal. Bush was in another fraternity as well - Delta Kappa Epsilon, if I remember right. I guess every kid ever in DKE at Yale should be under suspicion for being in the same frat Bush is in?

[CTyankee]

52. I live in New Haven and I really don't hear much about the frats

at yale. I read the Yale Daily News every day and the life at Yale hums along with visits to "Master's teas" at the Yale colleges from movie stars and politicians (which you can sometimes attend as just a member of the community). Or a talk at the Law School or some such. So much vibrant stuff goes on there the frats don't seem to matter much...

[Dr Fate]

59. Kind of like this thread. I have not heard too many facts either! n/t

n/t

[LeftofU]

40. yes, and what bothers me even more...

is that our choice last year was between two of them.

[WildEyedLiberal]

47. Kinda like how all the Founding Fathers were Freemason, right??

Is that why we have the pyramid and the eye on the back of our money? What the HELL kind of sinister secret Illuminati conspiracy were they part of?????

[saltpoint]

87. What's more, every single signer of the Declaration liked flapjacks.

No one likes to talk about it.

But it's true.

---------

Hey there good person. Nice to see you.

[razors edge]

46. yes

[Imagevision]

48. I don't equate The Skull & Boners to, Shriners or free mason...

far from it

[Dr Fate]

50. What DO you equate Kerry's evil S&B deeds to? What are his evil deeds?

If you have no links or examples, then you could just make something up.

[Mass]

49. How do we know you are not an S& B

[Mass]

51. To know that they are that bad, you have to be one of them

and that explains why you do not answer to Dr Fate.

[Imagevision]

65. Bonesmen, are forbidden to reveal what goes on in their inner sanctum..

[blm]

70. So why did Kerry EXPOSE Bush1 crimes and Clinton COVER UP for Bushinc?

And why are you pretending you don't know that?

[Imagevision]

76. Kerry EXPOSE Bush1 crimes? - when 6 years after the fact?!!

[Dr Fate]

79. Stop reading William Cooper & Art Bell and pick up a history book.

You might start with the Iran Contra offical reports- most libraries have it. It was printed in the 1980s, not 6 years after the fact.

[blm]

80. You don't know what you're talking about. CLINTON COVERED UP FOR POPPY

and closed the books on all the crimes Kerry worked for YEARS investigating and exposing. Why are YOU pretending it didn't happen?

IranContra, BCCI, illegal wars in Central America - all uncovered by Kerry - covered up by Clinton, who also covered up CIA drugrunning.

You haven't a clue about the last twenty years and you're proving it.

[Dr Fate]

53. Because their "secret" deeds & membership list is all over CI web sites

CI as in "Christian Identity"- you know- those Timothy McVeigh, New World Order, Illuminati, militia types from the 90s.

If Imagevision were a secret member, we would know.

[Mass]

54. I dont know - His obsession with this subject is suspect for me.

[Dr Fate]

56. Perhaps he is in a competing society- Brothers of the Golden Dawn?

I hear they ingest owl glands and then cast demons upon each others souls.

Of course they are naked when doing so- except for the black hoods and pentagram necklaces.

[laugle]

64. I assume you are familar with the Bohemian Grove

and the OWL worship ceremony.....

[Dr Fate]

69. I am- I read about it on a Pro-Timothy McVeigh militia site.

And I think a read about it on some associated with Green party types as well. Very reliable sources, no doubt.

So we are saying that Kerry is a member of this other club and that he has engaged in this ceremony- or are we confusing two clubs on purpose?

[Imagevision]

63. Did Kerry throw the "election" to Bush? Why did Kerry "stand down"

when the election was stolen? (Bonesmen Don'tgo against each other)

[ProSense]

67. That makes no sense!

So why did Bush steal the election?

[Dr Fate]

72. Bush is a higher rank than Kerry- he is "allowed" to "go against" others.

You see, Bush "rode the goat" while Kerry has not done so yet. All Kerry did was maturbate in a coffin.

[blm]

68. BECAUSE CLINTON'S man Terry McAuliffe didn't secure the election process

for the four years he was charged with doing so.

CLINTON was covering up for Poppy AGAIN to keep Kerry out of the White House so the books could stay closed as CLINTON did in 93 for Poppy.

[Dr Fate]

71. So why did Bush go against Kerry so much then?

Makes not one bit of sense.

[Imagevision]

78. Bush go against Kerry? -- talk about drama...! who cares after the fact?

do you?

[Dr Fate]

84. Swifboat Vets lies and stolen elections were DURING the fact.

Your assertion that "Bonesman are not allowed to go after each other" is laughable- considering alone how hard Bush went after Kerry.

I dont know which televison programs you watched or what papers you read, but i saw Bush going after Kerry very hard, every day. It discounts your theory 100%.

[Mass]

81. OK, you are not a bonesman. Dr Fate is probably right

you are from a competing frat. Which one?

[gumby]

55. Yes (always has)

Isn't Lanny Davis in the club too?

[laugle]

57. Oh come on......what we need is a Washington

establishment, OWL worshipper!!!! LOL

[Dr Fate]

58. Kerry does not worship owls- but he does chew on their "magic" glands

On Haloween, by the light of a full moon- while rolling his D& D dice on naked virgin.

(We are both kidding, right?)

[laugle]

60. Thanks DF.....I'm glad someone got it!!!!! n/t LOL

[Buzz Clik]

61. Not in the slightest. Nor does it bother me about the Bushes (41 and 43)

Why should it?

[saltpoint]

66. Nope. Not one damn bit.

[saltpoint]

75. It bothers me that Bush 43 nominates people like John Bolton to

a diplomatic post.

It bothers me that our allies regard us as an entity no longer to be trusted, never mind admired.

It bothers me that top-drawer scientific endeavors are discouraged or shelved by the Bush administration.

It bothers me that Condoleezza Rice, the political equivalent of whipped cream, is the Secretary of State.

It bothers me that the Far Right Nutcase Fundies lined up in the goddam rain to vote for a ticket that cheated to win.

Twice.

That's what bothers me.

[Dr Fate]

77. Bush's SCOTUS picks bother the hell out of me.

But I'm sure the dishinest smear artists here would tell us that S&B would have ordered Kerry to pick the same ones. Nevermind the fact that he led the Alito filibuster and voted against them both.

[saltpoint]

82. Bush's SCOTUS picks -- yes. Good catch. I should have included

the acute sense of dread I have that he'll have an opportunity to choose another one before he's finally run out of town on a rail.

Roberts is bright but frighteningly conservative and Alito was ghoulishly frightening, period. Kerry was there to provide clarity, had this president the wits about him to listen.

[Imagevision]

83. Kerry led Alito filibuster? Kerry also supported Feingold censure, so what

both were losing issues, but it made Kerry look like something in lead up to the road to 08

[saltpoint]

85. Feingold's vote in support of then-AG nominee John Ashcroft does

not disqualify him for the presidency, or for fair consideration for a presidential campaign anymore than Kerry's votes in the Senate preclude similr runs for him.

[Dr Fate]

86. I see- this must be one of his "evil deeds" that you promised to present.

Hmmm- Kerry led the Filibuster- that's IT- yeah-and he went on record disagreeing w/ Feingold- yeah- I'm convinved -he is certainly S&B.

I was thinking that his Child healthcare iniciatives was the real S&B plot, but your S&B plots are spookier and make MUCH more sense.

[Imagevision]

90. "evil deeds" that you promised to present? - now your Chris wallacing me

[Dr Fate]

94. I'm sorry- you promised no such thing. You just made them all up.

You are right- you never did promise to present any evil deeds that Kerry performed, b/c you dont have any information like that- except what you make up.

[blm]

88. Uncovering IranContra, BCCI, CIA drugrunning made Kerry look like sumthin

while it took CLINTON to COVER IT ALL UP for Poppy Bush to make Bush2 look like something leading up to 2000.

[grasswire]

89. absolutely

and I will never vote for any member of a secret society again, especially a Bonesman.

[blm]

92. Even a Bonesman who UNCOVERS crimes of other Bonesmen and exposes them.

But I will support the Clintons who COVER UP those crimes for Bonesmen like Poppy Bush.

[Mass]

93. Good, no secret society, so you did not vote for Clinton or Gore?

[saltpoint]

91. Most 2nd graders distrust a classmate who cheats at dodgeball.

What bothers me is that Bush-Cheney cheated both Ohio voters and the nation's voters who supported two consecutive Democratic tickets.

Dr. Fate is exactly right to suggest that Bush's SCOTUS nominations have been disastrous for civil liberties, and will continue to be.

So in that double-cheating scorecard are long-term deficits to our national identity and spirit.

That's what bothers me.

[Vidar]

96. yes

[Moderator]

97. Locking.

The moderators have reached the consensus that this is a good example of a thread started with an original post that almost mandates that a flamefest will follow.

Thanks for understanding.