Anyone Checking Keith Tonight?? Jonathan Turley SAID IT ALL!!

[ChiciB1]

The LAW got SIGNED!!!!

[tridim]

1. "See you at Gitmo" -KO

What do we do about this? Seriously, we have to do something quickly.

[kestrel91316]

21. The "something" is called voting, and making sure everybody

else turns out, too.

And God help those people if the exit polls and final tallies don't match up THIS time.

[ChiciB1]

22. AND??? We Will Do What???? n/t

I'm ALL EARS... REVOLUTION has been on my mind for WAAAAAAY too long! I can't get "no respect" here!

[IndianaGreen]

27. Our elections are as much as sham as elections held in North Korea

Haven't you noticed how confident Bush and Cheney are about the elections?

Wake up! We are living in a dictatorship!

[ChiciB1]

28. And.... We Will Do What???? n/t

[IndianaGreen]

30. Start dealing with the Bush regime for what it is, a dictatorship!

I am talking massive resistance and civic disobedience. I am talking about what Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

How far must we be willing to go to restore Constitutional government? As far as it takes!

[Doctor_J]

32. How?

I keep reading all of these huffing, puffing "threats" - "boy, if they steal another election, they're going to wish they hadn't". Reminds me of Peter Riegert's character Boon in Animal House. While the cops are beatin the crap out of him, he's yelling, "allright, now I'm REALLY pissed". What exactly do you think will happen if Whitewell decides not to have an election - just declare himself governor? If the exit polls prove that once again the GOP have stolen the House and Senate? the standard reaply I get is "quit whining". But please tell me, what is going to happen?

[IndianaGreen]

34. There are many groups from across the spectrum that are organizing

Take your pick!

They all oppose the Bush regime. Some do it on political grounds, others do it on religious grounds. Find the one you are comfortable with and become active with them.

Stop thinking along partisan lines. Our political institutions have failed to prevent dictatorship. It is up to us to regain our freedoms, just as it was up to our Founding Fathers to fight for theirs.

[Doctor_J]

35. IOW, there's nothing to prevent theft again

"groups organizing that oppose the Bush regime" sounds like lots of people sitting around drinking coffe and complaining to each other. Much like we do at DU. If Whitewell declares himself governor of OH, WHAT EXACTLY CAN WE DO TO KEEP HIM FROM TAKING OFFICE?

[IndianaGreen]

36. No, our Veterans for Peace chapter planted an American flag

for each GI killed in Iraq on the war memorial plaza when the count reached 2,500. We are now planning to march on the Veteran's Day parade, even though the American Legion is not happy about it.

There are other groups, for example, I had the privilege of marching with Pax Christi when they demonstrated against Bush when he came to the Notre Dame campus.

There was today's demonstration in front of the White House by a group opposed to torture, they wore orange jump suits.

Sitting around drinking coffee doesn't cut it, unless it is to organize the next mass action.

As to election theft, we could learn a thing or two from our friends in Mexico and their rejection of the stolen election there (I will also add that the striking teachers in Oaxaca are an inspiration to all of us).

[Doctor_J]

33. No one ever answers these posts, Chici

IMO, if anything were going to be done, it would have happened in 2002 r 2004. This election WILL be stolen, and we WILL carry on toward fascism just as we have since the original coup in 2000.

[ChiciB1]

41. Sorry I Didn't Reply Sooner... Been Thinking & Thinking If I Should!

Didn't want to be called a "Janie One Note" or worse. So now it's the next day and I just had to reply.

I just want you to know that I agree with what you've said here. I've been asking the same question for such a long time now and get very little response. For a while I posted at least once a week about a REVOLUTION, but even though I had some good conversations, I did get a lot of "Marches Don't Work" or the Media won't cover it and lots of other excuses. That's why I kept asking "What Shall We Do?" I'm STILL asking the question because I feel so strongly that it's going to HAVE to come to an actual uprising by "We The People!" Even if Dems take over it will be a slow process of recovery if any.

We The People need to find some way to show our angst, frustration and OUTRAGE at what has happened to America! Sooner rather than later!! IMHO!!!

Guess I've stated my 2 cents worth and now the balance is about $2,000 in small increments!

[beaconess]

2. He nailed it, didn't he?

"History will ask how did we let this happen."

[earthside]

3. But what Howard Fineman said!

The silence of Congressional Democrats on "Military Commissions Act" speaks very poorly of them.

Indeed.

And Colorado U.S. Senator Ken Salazar was one of those Democrat votes for Bush's torture bill.

Shame! Shame! Shame!

[Catchawave]

6. I caught Fineman's segment....

"The Silence of the Democrats" Yep, are we so worried to look angry while Mehlman Happy Dances !?

[niyad]

14. I called his office again today to tell him what a shameful disappointment

he is, and said that, having shown us what a gutless coward he is, I can assure him that I, and virtually everyone I know, will be working for his opponent next cycle.

[LSparkle]

4. I love that man -- wait, I love BOTH those men

Two smart, attractive guys ... Keith, Jon, CALL ME!

[Frustratedlady]

5. That was a great segment.

How scary everything is becoming. Shameful.

Here's a link to C&L:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/08/17/jonathon-turley-discusses-todays-ruling/

[ChiciB1]

8. Well As Jonathan Was Saying... We Ain't Got "Hoopla" Here...

He's so mater of factually STATING exactly what happened today!!! As a "boomer" in my day... Well DEMS FIGHTIN' words! Small problem, no sizzle, pizazz, bells or whistles.

Oh Yeah, I remember. Whistling Past The Grave Yard. I would suppose MOST of us here know what the "grave yard" comment can come to mean! My God, think about Don McClean and Bye-Bye Miss American Pie!!!!!

Sorry don't mean to "inhale" on everyone, but this really hurts my heart but at the same time lights a fire in my belly! Every fire needs fuel!!!

[Jackpine Radical]

7. At least Russ Feingold stood up to the bastards.

My guy, Russ.

[karynnj]

26. Kerry did as well - in at least 4 or 5 interviews

and a major speech. Kerry, Leahy, Kennedy and many others gave great speeches against it.

Fineman is lying when he says the Democrats were silent: the liberal, real Democrats were speaking whenerver they had a forum. ("This bill condones terror" is pretty clear, as was Kennedy graphic description of waterboarding and the examples of Japanese soldiers held accountable for torture. this is another case of the cable media not giving Democrats much air time, then saying they were silent.)

[David Ippolito]

9. WHERE CAN I FIND THAT INTERVIEW!

Fast!

[Frustratedlady]

10. Here's a link

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/08/17/jonathon-turley-discusses-todays-ruling/

[ChiciB1]

13. Thanks A Lot... What Shall We Do???

This is what I would deem as train wreck and nobody saw it, but they vaguely remembered they heard "something" about it.

Hapeus Corpus, that's Latin for something, am I correct??

[Frustratedlady]

16. Here's a link to an explanation

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h001.htm

[IndianaGreen]

23. Overthrow the Bush regime!

Let the words of our Declaration of Independence be read as our declaration of war against the usurper in the White House, the enemy of our beloved Republic, the tyrant George W. Bush:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

[MiniMe]

15. I'm not sure that is the correct video. The one you posted is from August.

[Frustratedlady]

18. Oops! I didn't see that.

I thought they got that up pretty fast.

[democrank]

11. See reply #5 above.

Read it and weep.

[David Ippolito]

19. 10-17... tonight's interview.

I need it for tomorrow's podcast.

I Love the Company - "The Wednesday Wake-Up Call"

http://www.thatguitarman.com

thanks

[democrank]

12. After listening to Turley

I put my head down and cried.

[Generator]

17. I continue to feel things I never thought possible

about this country and the people in it. I don't want to live to see what I think is going to happen to this country. The look on the conservative Turley's face said it all.

[IndianaGreen]

25. The republic is dead!

Bush has set himself up as an absolute monarch, with Congress as mere window dressing, much as the Roman Senate was to the emperors.

[twiterpatted]

20. I disagree about "shame on the Democrats",

They played it smart by not walking into a GOP trap of being labeled weak on terrorist.

Whats important is that they are about to gain power and can then over turn all this crap!!!

I suspect the Democrats made a calculated move not too offer to much opposition to the torture bill for the purpose of maintaining the lead in the elections.

[ShortnFiery]

24. Right

This "keeping their powder dry" lest they piss off the Right Wing Wackkos has worked so well for them in the past. :eyes:

If they fail to act in the future, I'm helping to vote out these incumbents in their next Democratic Primary. We may need new blood to gain our Democratic Republic back. http://voidnow.org

[twiterpatted]

37. Its working now.

[ChiciB1]

42. Are You Working To Kick Out That Screw Ball You Have For A Senator???

This is ONE race I want the Dems to win! I donated to Webb even though I live in Florida!

We will keep Bill Nelson's seat, but I'm holding my nose when I vote for him! Cruella's my Congress-Witch and can't wait til she's OUTTA HERE!!!

But I KNOW she's not GONE!! She's too much in love with herself!! I finally had to call the local Hdqrs to tell them to get my name off their mailing list and to quit sending me emails! Told them I would NEVER vote for the likes of her and that if they kept sending stuff I was coming down there PERSONALLY to make a HUGE scene!

[karynnj]

29. The bill was not finalized till a day before

Kerry was on several talk shows, saying things like "Absolutely NO torture, the US does not torture." and speaking of disgust that it was even being considered. Someone upthread said Feingold spoke out. Kennedy issued a strong statement against it. I suspect that the centrist wing of the Democrats didn't speak out - and the liberal wing had difficulty being heard.

We likely could put together a list of shows where people did speak out - but it's clear this is their choosen narrative. (Maybe to support McCain??)

[grasswire]

31. Turley turned off the TV when Bush said "we don't torture."

Even he couldn't take it any longer.

He called American reaction to the bill "a big yawn"

[Ninja Jordan]

38. I'm still confused as to whether this bill applies to US citizens

Sec. 948c. Persons subject to military commissions

Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under this chapter.

...and

Sec. 948a. Definitions

(5) ALIEN- The term 'alien' means an individual who is not a citizen of the United States.

[liam_laddie]

39. the fine print...

Somewhere (I don't have a copy of the entire bill) I believe chimp-chump now has
the capability to name ANYONE a terrorist supporter, or enemy of the US, or some
such vague, general definition...which if I understand it, means you and I are targetable.
Yeah, he's gonna be real surprised pretty soon...

[Ninja Jordan]

40. right, but

does this apply to US citizens? It seems clear the tribunals only apply to 'aliens.'

[MasonJar]

43. Keith is going to make his comment tonight; he announced Tues.

[caledesi]

44. Thanks. This should be good!

All those bastard standing behind *, should be ashamed. Well, we now have our king. What's going to happen to constitutional lawyers, like, eh...Ann-the-Man Coulter? Are they extinct?

As an aside, Kucinich wanted a hearing on this, but being in the Minority Party...you don't have ANY power.


The soldiers in Iraq are fighting for our freedom? What freedom?

I cannot wait til we take over.