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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:05 AM
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Why does Rove keep saying Dems are weak on security when they aren't
Would someone get up there and 'smack' Rove.

It needs to shouted out from the rooftops Dems are STRONG on security and won't waste your money waging wasteful, not needed wars?

Look at all the taxpayers' money Bush wasted in Iraq when he could have spent it on home security? He couldn't even respond to Katrina, how can he respond to a real terrorist attack (unless he stages one himself?)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:07 AM
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1. The BIG LIE has always worked for them before
and as long as Democratic candidates are too polite to run commercials telling it like it is, that the administration sat around on their big fat rumps for 8 months, ignoring the detailed security plan for this country and planning to invade Iraq instead and allowed 9/11 to happen, the big lie will continue to work.

That's just the way things have been working.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:07 AM
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2. Oxymoronic duplicitous mendacious reichous sanctimonous double-speak
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 11:08 AM by indepat
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:08 AM
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3. Yeah - GOPs strongly protected terrorists and their banking networks
against that evil guy John Kerry who was working to investigate and expose them throughout the 80s and 90s.

That worked out well for the country.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:28 PM
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16. I wonder are GOP beginning to question why a lot of GOP Congress reps
are disappearing into jail? Maybe they haven't noticed that DeLay, Ney and others are gone and Foleyped is under scrutiny
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:08 AM
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4. 9/11 happened on bush's watch. as did so many of the anthrax
incidents. nearly 3,000 of our military have died in his war, over 20,000 wounded, a large percentage of whom will die of their wounds, and we are hated around the world.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:09 AM
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5. Dems are "thoughtful," "nuanced," "multilayered" on security . . .
Not like frakkin' linebackers, which is what the kool-aid drinkers Rove pitches to demand.

The case that it's a real world -- with real-world complexities -- and not a cartoon, needs to be made by Dems. The American people on the whole are not stupid.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:12 AM
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6. Because
Dems are associated with protesting of wars/pacifism and weak knees. There are very few Democrats who would argue against using forces to defend the nation from attack. Its a complicated disorder that many Americans seem to have. Perhaps if they see that a certain number of Repubs are war mongering torturing scum, it will be enough to wake them up to the fallacy.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:16 AM
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8. The Incompetence The Present Regime Has Displayed, Sir
Will go a long way towards equalizing the popular impressions of the two parties in this field.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:14 AM
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7. Joseph Goebbels doctrine- truth not as important as repetition
Newt taught it to all the GOP-bots
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:33 AM
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10. Yeah, I read that somewhere - but I forget the exact quote. n/t
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:47 AM
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11. Quote not as important as the doctrine, and exposing the tools they use
The current GOP follows the propaganda teachings of
Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels

Newt, the philandering, spousal-support-welshing pimple who sees himself as the next puppet in the Oval Office, taught those methods to up and coming GOP pols.

And then he held up the government due to a snit about having to sit with the rest of the passengers on Air Force One instead of putting his feet up on Bill Clinton's desk on the way to a state funeral in Israel.

Newt needs to crawl back under a rock and the nation needs to know where the methods currently in use to make slaves out of them actually came from.

They use the techniques of the Nazis. And they just legalized torture while canceling the Bill of Rights.

Get the word out. Show the GOP the truth will not be silenced.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:57 PM
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13. with the help of the Republican media
yes Dems need to repeat they ARE STRONG on security but not warmongers
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:16 AM
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9. Rove; "George, just keep smiling, it'll display a vote of confidence"
even Babs Bush was recently quoted as saying; "this is going to be a bad year for republicans"
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:13 PM
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12. Because they've had plenty of success using messages that
appeal to the people that get bored while reading a bumper sticker ... the short attention span ...

Probably why the Mark Foley thing is hitting the Repukes hard ... they used "SEX!" as the tease to keep people believing that Bill Clinton was so corrupt ... otherwise, who would have cared about a land deal mired in real estate laws (who cares now?)?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:01 PM
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14. The democrats let them do it
They let them characterize them in that way and don't fight back. As Kerry says, now he'll put a boot in their ass.

Clinton had a rapid response strategy when he would let these lies go unchallenged.

I wonder if they really do want to fight.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:24 PM
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15. I'm glad clinton gave that interview
it did help to move things along and this morning's speech was good (although might be over the head of the average GOP voter!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:31 PM
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17. "Clinton didn't do anything about Bin Laden for 8 years"
Glad Clinton FINALLY responded in the fall of 2006 to that lie. Wish he'd done so in 2002 and 2004 when 8 BOOKS came out blaming him for 9-11.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 07:19 AM
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26. And then, of course (and contradicting "The Path to 9/11"), you have
"American Evita" - where the writer claims that Hillary Clinton was the one to convince Bill Clinton to not go after ObL ...

:eyes:

Picked it up in a second-hand store for 16 cents ... and I feel I got ripped off ...
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:57 AM
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27. greater impact now as the GOP wool is unravelling
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:38 PM
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18. they is all part of their strategy to keep on repeating their message
over and over again, and have the dumb American public say the Dems do not have a plan and are soft on security which is total BS the Dems do have a plan but can't be executed because of one man/party rule, anyone with a brain should know we are dealing with a crime family.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:47 PM
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19. Here's a good example of *security* under the rethuglicans.



It was just a couple of weeks ago that two 16 year olds breezed through the main gate at MacDill AFB in Tampa, the home of CentCom, in a stolen car. Among other things they went joyriding right past the CentCom HQ. The only thing that stopped them was road construction, not security personnel. It was good for all concerned that they were just joyriding teenagers. But as for the security arrangements that let them slip right through, they could have been martyrs driving a car loaded with high explosives or a dirty nuke device. And the main gate had just recently gone through a multi-million dollar security *upgrade*.


Link to news article: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/1132457881.html?dids=1132457881:1132457881&FMT=FT&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Sep+21%2C+2006&author=ABBIE+VANSICKLE&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&edition=&startpage=1.A&desc=Teens+crash+gate+at+MacDill




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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:12 PM
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20. somehow the GOP lacks the organizational skills to deter terorrism
since homeland security is infested with Iran contras.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:50 PM
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23. Your link has a wealth of information. I bookmarked it.




And I will go there often. The Charts page is a real eye-opener.

I recommend a visit to other DUers.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:



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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:07 PM
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24. you mean costofwar.com?
I like the way they tell you how much is spent per state.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:27 PM
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21. Check out Clark's web site. He's been shouting this for 3 years
He even named his web site www.securingamerica.com to drive home the message:
It is Democrats who can keep America strong.

Or to use a recent Clark quote:
"They don't have a strategy that will keep America safe. They have a strategy that will keep America at war and make us less safe," as reported by AP and picked up by this local paper in Alabama where Clark wascampaigning for Democrats running for Congress:

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/local/15743686.htm
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:58 PM
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22. You attack an oppenent on their strengths not their weaknesses
Wasn't this from Machiavelli. Just a fact we were definately safer under Clinton. And we've spent billions of taxpayers dollars to make us less safe than we were.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:08 PM
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25. and making more terrorists in Iraq
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HelloDubya Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 02:06 PM
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28. Rove would call the Pope an "Islamo-fascist" if it fits his goals
Nothing Rove says or distributes through the "US Pravda" (otherwise known as FOX) has any tie to reality - it is all propaganda of the worst kind. Pumping billions (more than they admit) into an optional war and giving away at LEAST 10 billion to Halliburton for "we forgot the receipts" is politics, not patriotism. If you can trace it back to Rove, don't believe it.
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