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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:26 PM
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John Gibson: "Muslim Veil Shouldn't Be Worn in West"
Muslim Veil Shouldn't Be Worn in West

Wednesday, October 18, 2006

By John Gibson

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,222270,00.html

What do you think about the veil? It's quite a controversial subject in Europe right now. The Europeans have allowed a Muslim subculture to establish itself in great numbers, but nonetheless European leaders are trying to draw the line at the veil.

Normally desperate to curry favor with the Muslim minority, the Italians are now making a tentative attempt to fight back against creeping Sharia law by resisting the veil. The Italian prime minister says Muslim women shouldn't hide behind the veil. And same in Britain where Tony Blair — on his way out of office for daring to offend Muslims with a war in Iraq — says the veil is a mark of separation. Both will be denounced by Muslim groups for saying it, but it's true.

My colleague Amy Kellogg, a FOX News correspondent in London, was telling me about trying to do a story about wearing the veil in Britain. She said she stood around on Edgware Road — Muslim main street in Londonistan — waiting for a veiled woman to walk by for a shot. She referred to it as the letterbox veil, the one where the only thing visible of the woman is her eyes, through a narrow letterbox slit in the veil. That is clearly a sign of separation, clearly a sign of wanting to avoid assimilating in the western culture, whether it's here or Britain or Italy. And it is clearly a sign of a subculture that wants to establish its own rules separate and apart.

Another way of saying that is: The veil is a sign of the Muslim subculture wanting Sharia law, religious law which supercedes secular or common law in their communities. Tolerance is what we practice in the West, meaning we are tolerant of the religions and customs of others. But we are also vigilant for signs they are among us and are intolerant of us and our customs and laws. Speaking as an American: no Sharia law, no veils. If you're here, be American. You don't have to conform. You just have to give up the urge to be separate and apart and unwilling to assimilate like the rest of us. That's My Word.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:35 PM
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1. Blair dared "to offend Muslims with a war in Iraq"?
The primary force that asshole John Gibson has assimilated, is the raging hypocrisy of the theocratic right.
He is not a member of the majority.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:35 PM
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2. Ja wohl, mine furher!!
Sheesh, so that's the repuke version of 'getting government off your back'??

What an asshole. And Gibson, get braces.
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:36 PM
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3. what an idiot!!! I guess nuns should take off their oufits and
priest should not wear the collar thangy....if he wants everyone to assimilate then fair is fair.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:38 PM
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5. Priests and nuns don't have their face covered, do they?
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 10:40 PM by augie38
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:21 PM
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7. People here keep bringing up nuns.
Do they realize there are hardly any nuns left?
That the average age is something like 65?
That the vast majority stopped wearing habits 40 years ago?
That NONE of them ever wore face veils?

The comparison just isn't relevant.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:57 PM
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18. It is all they have.
habits, wimples....they are trying desperately to divert the argument from the real issues here, regarding treatment of women in these cultures and what these veils represent.

It seems "diversity" and "tolerance" of other cultures have become Pavlovian responses now for some, completely preceding any actual assessment of what they are tolerating. Some people are incapable of making a reasoned judgment about any other culture, for fear of appearing bigoted, even if the situation involves torture, rape, and murder of women, and consignment of them to a subhuman existence. They would decry and protest the same behavior demonstrated by fundamentalist Christians or Jews in the U.S. But don't dare question anybody from those other cultures. It's not P.C.

And how do you defend the indefensible? By calling anyone who disagrees with you a bigot. Or invoking nuns. It is all a game of distraction and diversion, because actual scrutiny is too hard to take.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:36 PM
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4. I agree.
I would not hold a conversation with a person who has her face covered.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 07:53 AM
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14. It gives you an easy excuse for bigotry, doesn't it?
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 07:52 PM
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16. Get real. You don't know me...how I think or what do
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 07:53 PM by augie38
You start making statements and judgments on one statement I make? Take a look in the mirror to see a real intolerant jackass.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:44 PM
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17. What a smug little snotty comment,
and totally devoid of any reasoned response.

You are a credit to thinking women everywhere, I can see. I can see that penetrating depth of thought informs your views on women in this case.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:42 PM
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6. Gibson's bad hair should be illegal
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 12:49 AM
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11. What about those crazy capped teeth? My kids could do a better job.
:P
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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 12:00 AM
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8. So much for that "freedom of religion" thing... In a January Buffalo day,
I guess we should we jail people for covering their faces in a 20 below blizzard, too, cuz they might just be terra-ists
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 12:10 AM
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9. If a person walked in my bank in july wearing a wool-mask, I would
alert the guards immediately and dial the cops pronto on my
cell phone.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 12:38 AM
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10. So "Freedom" of religion for Christians Only?
Is that it?

"I don't understand it."
"To me it's not normal."
"There must be something wrong about them."
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 02:21 AM
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12. John Gibson shouldn't be seen by intelligent people, East or West
!!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 04:31 AM
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13. And this from an employee of the Saudstralian News. nt
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:29 AM
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15. so...
i guess that for once in his life he agrees with the french.
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