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VC2 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 08:29 AM
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International Red Cross Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney ...
International Red Cross Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, US military commanders...

Reprinted with permission, courtesy Bob Chapman, the International Forecaster

Bush family preparing to flee to haven in Paraguay? No extradition treaties!

THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER editor Bob Chapman writes: Word reaches us that the Bush family has purchased 100,000 acres of land in the South American nation of Paraguay. This news follows the announcement that American troops will be leaving Paraguay in December, because the US refuses to stay unless their troops are given total immunity from crime.

Paraguay refuses to sign such an agreement.

We wonder if the Bushes are migrating there because the country has no extradition treaties?

http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 08:31 AM
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1. Yeah, woo hoo, applause, more applause nm
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 08:36 AM
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2. Uhm... I don't think that's a credible source. n/t
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:21 AM
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3. This is crap. The Red Cross has no authority to do such a thing..
and wouldn't if it could. The IRC maintains neutrality and must do so to continue its work.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:28 AM
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4. thanks ... i'm skeptical too ...
bush and cheney should be prosecuted for war crimes ... but i don't believe the International Red Cross would take the action mentioned in the OP ...

here's a page of news and news releases on the International Red Cross website: http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/news

there's nothing there that mentions bush and cheney ...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 03:05 PM
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5. they did the same thing in WWII against Hitler. They can do it.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 03:11 PM
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6. link?
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 04:03 PM
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8. The International Red Cross administers the Geneva Conventions
I'm not sure they are the body that actually does the prosecuting, but they're mentioned as being the body to make the yes/no decision, at least in the original wording. This may have changed.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 03:12 PM
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7. sorry, I call bs on this one
Non-credible link. Nothing on international red cross website. No other verification.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 04:19 PM
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9. From the website of the ICRC
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 04:35 PM by Jack Rabbit
This is dated today. It says nothing about filing charges.


Developments in US policy and legislation towards detainees: the ICRC position

In an interview for the ICRC website, the organization's President, Jakob Kellenberger, talks about the recent developments in US policy and legislation towards those detained in the fight against terrorism.

Q: What is the ICRC reaction to the recent policy and legal changes that have been taken in the US relating to the persons captured in the "war against terrorism"?

The US Government has recently taken a series of noteworthy decisions regarding the detention, treatment and trial of persons in its custody. They include: the publication of a Department of Defense directive on detention and of the Army field manual on interrogation, the disclosure of the CIA detention programme, as well as the adoption of the Military Commissions Act of 2006. The ICRC is carefully examining these developments and is in a dialogue with the US Government regarding the legal and practical impact they could have.

Let's remember that until September 2006, the US Government said that it was treating its detainees humanely, "consistent with the principles" of international humanitarian law. Since the Supreme Court ruling in Hamdan of June 2006, the US government has recognized that Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions is the minimum legal standard applicable to persons detained in the fight against terrorism.

In recent doctrine, the Department of Defense has acknowledged that common Article 3 is the legally binding minimum standard for detainees in its custody. This is a welcome development.


Q: What is the ICRC's first reading of the "Military Commissions Act of 2006"?

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 is a complex law that addresses a wide range of issues. Some of them are a matter of domestic law, while others involve interpretations of international law, including international humanitarian law.

Our preliminary reading of the new legislation raises certain concerns and questions. The very broad definition of who is an "unlawful enemy combatant" and the fact that there is not an explicit prohibition on the admission of evidence attained by coercion are examples.

We are similarly concerned about the way in which the Act has created two tiers of prohibitions out of those listed in common Article 3. The Act provides a list of violations it calls "grave breaches" of common Article 3 broader than the text of the Article itself (rape, sexual assault, biological experiments and intentionally causing serious bodily injury have been added), which is noteworthy.

At the same time, it omits certain violations from the list of acts that are war crimes under US domestic law. These include the prohibition of outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment, and the prohibition of the denial of the right to a fair trial, which is a basic protection provided for in international law. This distinction between the different violations disrupts the integrity of common Article 3.

These and other issues are the subject of our ongoing dialogue with the US.

Read more.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 08:23 PM
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10. kick!
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