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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:27 AM
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So is purging the voter rolls how they're going to do it?
According to Thom Hartman, 300,000 registered Democratic voters have been purged from the rolls in Ohio because they have failed to respond to a misleading three-page letter from the AG's office that requires them to return a form to maintain their registered status.

In Kalifornia voters in heavily Latino districts are getting mailers in Spanish telling them that if they are illegals or "immigrants" a trip to the polls could cost them jail time. While undocumented aliens can't vote, immigrants who are now American citizens can. However, that distinction is not made in the letter.

Maybe this time around the Rethugs won't have to rig the Diebold machines because large numbers of Democrats aren't going to be allowed to touch them anyway.

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:29 AM
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1. the machines will still be rigged. they need a multipronged attack to
turn back the democratic hoard that threatens to overrun them.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:36 AM
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5. And they will challenge absentee ballots in precincts with lots of DEMS
They ran tests on that form of election fraud in 04 and they disenfranchised a lot of troops in Iraq to do it:

GOP sent first class mail to home addresses of a mess of soldiers who were in Iraq. GOP wrote "DO NOT FORWARD" on the envelopes. When mail came back, GOP used it as argument that the troops (mostly black & registered DEMS) did not reside in the districts they said they did when they registered to vote. Absentee ballots thrown out.

http://www.gregpalast.com/massacre-of-the-buffalo-soldiers

Gee, how did the GOP know who was home and who was away in Iraq? Info from DOD being shared with GOP? Guess maybe it is. Support the troops, my ass!

Now, think about all the millions of people whose data got lost in the past several months via laptops that have gone missing.

Extrapolate the potential damage to election credibility.
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ChicagoRonin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:31 AM
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2. They'll be no one smoking gun
It's like when a lawsuit is being made: lawyers advise clients to sue everyone potentially involved; even those that represent the most tangential collateral damage. The Republicans will do what they always do, a combination of tactics: voter roll purges, attack ads, misleading advertising, push polling, utilizing the right-wing media. I'm sure part of the hope (and why not, it's worked before) is they can create enough "fires" so that democratic activists can't fight them all at once.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:32 AM
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3. They do this every election cycle.
The warning to immigrants is one I haven't heard of before, normally they use a similar tactic in black neighborhoods warning that it's illegal to vote if you have any unpaid traffic tickets or other potential legal entanglements, or if you've ever been arrested, etc.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:33 AM
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4. Most of the stealing goes on every day in the years BETWEEN election days.
Kerry said last spring that LEGALIZED election fraud is actually the biggest problem but no Dem involved in the election fraud issue wants GOP controlled congress to be the ones to make the "cosmetic fix" you know they'll force upon us.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:42 AM
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6. 300,000 Angry Dems?! I would consider that an army. EOM
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:47 AM
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7. An army largely preoccupied
with putting food on the table, unfortunately.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:47 AM
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8. Apparently you get no official notification if you've been dropped
You find out when you show up to vote. That should create some chaos at the polling places and that too would work for the Rethugs.
The NYT is talking about how mass confusion is expected as it stands now.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:57 AM
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11. I plan to be working at the polls in Ohio and do not look forward
to the confrontations that this will bring! The process needs to be aborted and the paper and pencil need to be brought back!
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:00 AM
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12. What about mass hangings later on? ; )
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:13 AM
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14. Them or us? n/t
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 03:04 PM
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16. And in New York state there were
provisions for this.

If you're at the same address as you were when you last voted (or even just the same precinct), you fill out an affadavit ballot. If there's some other glitch, or you don't like affadavit ballots (traditional in New York, they're called 'provisional ballots' under the later legislation passed by Congress), you contact your political party--they have lawyers working pro bono just waiting to take your case to one of the judges with empty dockets for the day, waiting to hear voter-related cases. They issue orders declaring that you be allowed to vote.

No chaos there. Poll workers are trained in when to use an affadavit ballot, and how to handle an order from a judge. Your name's not in the poll book, you check to make sure you're in the right precinct. If not, you're told to move on; if you're in the right precinct, you're told what to do.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:54 AM
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9. With the new voter ID law in Ohio
If a couple without picture ID comes in with a utility bill for identification only the individual with the actual name on the bill can vote a regular ballot. The other person must cast a provisional ballot which is time consuming paperwork and likely to be thrown out by the BOE. I can not imagine the frustration this will cause and ultimate violence that will result at the polling place. Peace, Kim
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:56 AM
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10. It's happening in Florida, too, and HAVA gave them the ammunition.
http://news.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBWY94TDTE.html

This link was posted by rzemanfl yesterday on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

If They Miss 1 Number, Some Won't Get To Vote

By CATHERINE DOLINSKI The Tampa Tribune

Published: Oct 17, 2006

TALLAHASSEE - Mistaking a single number on a driver's license or reversing the month and day of a birth date could keep untold numbers of residents from registering to vote this year.

That's because, for the first time, the state is cross-checking applications from potential new voters against databases of driver's license and Social Security numbers.

Thousands of applications are failing the test.


The new process, a state response to changes in federal election law, applies only to first-time applicants. It does not affect registered Florida voters who update their existing registrations.

But some civic activists say that, with thousands of applicants failing that check and new identification rules for all voters at the polls, Florida is impeding the voting process.

"Even if one voter is being adversely affected by these barriers, it's one too many," Mary Wilson, national president of the League of Women Voters, said in Tallahassee earlier this month.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:03 AM
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13. Yes, they've done this before as well. New Mexico and Ohio in 2004.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:19 AM
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15. Yes, plus whatever else it takes to steal a victory
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