Democrats Ask: Hey, John Kerry, Let Our Money Go!

[AtomicKitten]

Will John Kerry, yet again, hold on to his millions, that we gave him, while Democrats lose?
by John in DC - 10/19/2006
from http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/10/will-john-kerry-yet-again-hold-on-to.html

From HeyJohn.org: http://www.heyjohn.org/

Excerpt:
In 2004, over 171,154 Americans donated $328,479,245 and countless hours of time to help John Kerry get elected President. Now, two years later, Democrats have a real opportunity to regain a majority in both chambers of Congress.

John Kerry? He’s still hanging on to $8,352,685 of our money, while Democratic candidates in competitive districts are short on funds, and the DNC, DCCC, and DSCC are out of money.

Tell John Kerry to “let our money go” and help take back Congress by sending an email to [e-mail]

And John Kerry isn't the only problem. Evan Bayh, who also will likely be courting all of your votes and your money when he runs for president in 2008, and then there are the 45 House Democrats who are running for re-election in uncontested races. They have NO Republican opponents, yet are sitting on $26 million.

You can find the list of 45 here: http://www.cqpolitics.com/2006/10/for_55_house_incumbents_safe_i.html

$26 million.

Why the hell aren't they ponying up?

Also:
From Hotline: http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/10/dems_pressure_k.html
From TPN: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010452.php

*** while the dot.org is an anonymous source, AmericaBlog, TPN, and Hotline are not, nor is Democracy Now posted below.

[saltpoint]

1. Hey, atomickitten. Stop slamming Democrats.

[AtomicKitten]

16. do get back to me on the list of acceptable Democrats

to "slam." Let's see, according to DU standards so far, that would be both Clintons, Barack Obama, Harold Ford, and well, you know what?, go ahead and compile a list and do be a dear and post it. 'Kay?

But since I'm not slamming anyone, just posting information and some figures, until then I will continue to post issues of concern to me. There are 45-50 seats teetering that could fall "our" way (must clarify that since your primary allegiance doesn't appear to be success of the party in November) with proper funding.

[saltpoint]

23. You aren't posting issues. You're doing a slam job and you know it.

[AtomicKitten]

29. There are 45-50 seats up for grabs, dude

We need the money hard-working Democrats have ALREADY donated to tilt Congress to Democratic control.

You do comprehend the magnitude of that, right? Or is your whining drowning out reason?

[saltpoint]

31. And not only are you running a slam job, but you do it with

frequency and predictability.

You could evaluate the same facts anyone else can on line, but refuse to.

Your role on these boards is to slam Kerry. And you do it consistently.

[ClassWarrior]

45. Consistently.

NGU.

[AtomicKitten]

52. Really? Do get back to me with your analysis.

It would be so awesome if you would post your comprehensive list of who you like and who you don't so I don't make the same mistake again, kay?

[saltpoint]

57. Or, more simply, you could join the party. An overwhelming number

of us are Democrats.

And we behave accordingly.

Democrats, being party members, tend to affirm other Democrats.

Democrats.

Democrats.

Democrats.

Say it with me now.

Democrats.

[AtomicKitten]

59. perhaps you might want to consider the party and the $$$$ needed

TO WIN!!!!

Some of you have your priorities so screwed up!!

[saltpoint]

64. "Democrats. Democrats. Democrats."

It's a great party.

We'd appreciate your vote.

[AtomicKitten]

74. you might want to consider the Democratic Party's best interests

instead of shilling for your favorite candidate.

[blm]

80. If you were around in 2003, you'd know this BRAND NEW WEBSITE does NOT

have the party's best interest.

[saltpoint]

90. You might want to shore up your loyalties instead of slamming the

party's standard-bearer.

Which you consistently do on these boards.

[AtomicKitten]

96. he's hardly that except in your mind and your opinion

which is why you've lost all perspective of what's important at this point in our history - and that is taking back control of Congress. Kerry (as well as others) are sitting on funds to use in 2008. That is money needed across this country NOW. It's hard-earned money I as well as millions of Democrats have given.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by your adoration that you can't see that. But that's your problem, not mine - other than the fact that you use personal attacks against me for having the audacity to raise an issue you don't want to talk about.

We're done.

[WildEyedLiberal]

97. No, he's NOT sitting on funds

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/07/warner_staffs_u.html

A footnote: Warner's PAC will release an estimate of the amount of money he's raised for other Democrats this cycle -- about $5M. That puts him in the ballpark of Sen. Hillary Clinton, who has raised at least $7.5 million for Democrats, Ex-Sen. John Edwards, who has raised at least $6.5 million. Everyone lags Sen. John Kerry, who has raised close to $14 million.

This OP links to an anonymous front group spreading an easily disprovable lie.

[Imagevision]

Perhaps Kerry can give up some $$$ to Ned Lamont?? wise move!

[WildEyedLiberal]

113. He sent out two emails raising 1000's of $ for Lamont

Additionally, he is appearing with Lamont on October 25th to campaign.

[ClassWarrior]

86. From what I've seen...

...you're an equal opportunity slammer.

NGU.

[shance]

27. Excuse me OC, I am a contributor to the Democratic party and I don't

want John Kerry or ANYONE else holding onto money that doesn't belong to them, but to the PARTY.

Some of the good ole boy arrogance and corruption in Washington is astounding.

And its not just with Republicans.

[saltpoint]

32. Then get your facts right. Kerry's donations are in the 10-15 MILLION

dollar range.

Find me a Democrat who can top that mark.

____
edited to update figure to accuratelly state sums: $15 Million

[Firespirit]

33. The money does not belong to the party

If someone chooses to donate to John Kerry's campaign... it is HIS money, not the DNC's, to do with as he sees fit (within the law).

Keeping money that was lawfully donated to his campaign is NOT corruption. Just to pick a name, Schumer is sitting on $10 million despite not being up for reelection until 2010. Why didn't that website and the piece attack him? It's nothing more than a hit job on Kerry. Bayh was mentioned merely so that it wouldn't be obvious it was that.

Finally, Kerry's PAC and campaign pay to send out e-mails on behalf of other candidates. These are not minor expenses, either.

[emulatorloo]

2. John Kerry is doing plenty to help Dems campaign in '06

As well as working on that Patriot Project thing.

Every day he is out with another Dem candidate or sending out emails to get people to support them.

I call bs on this nonsense. See:

Kerry has raised and donated over $11 million to candidates
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2893836&mesg_id=2893849

[peace13]

3. I hear what you are saying

and I am with you but ...this could bet ugly. Peace on earth, Kim

[saltpoint]

5. You deserve to hear facts. Kerry's generosity to other Democrats

is in the 10-11 MILLION dollar range.

I wonder how much the OP has donated to Democrats. Probably not quite that same amount.

[nashville_brook]

14. wow, i have no dog in this hunt... but sheesh... what's the real deal?

[saltpoint]

17. The OP wished to slam a Democrat and did.

That's all there is to it.

[laugle]

109. Lighten up on AK, you are usually so civil,

hell, I wish Kerry would have used those funds on his own campaign to refute those lousy swift boat vets.

The people who strongly support Kerry don't seem willing to dialogue with anyone who posts something the least bit controversial, that doesn't show Kerry in a positive light.

How can you ever make converts if you can't have a civil discussion?

I wish people could set aside their bias for a moment to discuss the OP, I know it's hard and I have no doubt every candidate in the next 2 years will get plenty of slamming, since it's not just reserved for Kerry!

[WildEyedLiberal]

131. This OP is an anoymous website created yesterday

Why is it anonymous? NO ONE is willing to associate their names with it. This is far from the first time that an anonymous site from "concerned Democrats" was created to lie about a Democrat - every other time, it was a GOP hit job. Do we learn NOTHING from the lessons of the Swiftboat liars??

Kerry's primary funds were untouchable after he accepted the party's nomination on July 31st. He could ONLY use DNC or federal funds from then on - that is campaign finance law. I know you mean well, but this OP is nothing more than a very poorly veiled attempt to spread a VERY sleazy, dishonest smear created by cowardly anonymous sources who refuse to reveal their allegiances. Ask yourself why, if they are so concerned, they are SO adamant about remaining anonymous.

This whole thing stinks of a smear job, and there is nothing more here than a bunch of dirty agendas at work.

[peace13]

18. I don't know about the OP but I have donated plenty

to Kerry in effort and dollars. If there is money on the table we should use it because if this thing doesn't go our way next month there will be no 'next election'. Things look good right now but there is no telling the thievery that will go on. I witnessed Ohio in 2004 and believe me there are not words to describe the feelings. I say do it today! Get this thing done and the money will flow to refill the coffers after Nov. Peace on earth, Kim

[saltpoint]

26. Kerry leads all Dems in contributions and fundraising for Dem candidates.

The OP knows this.

You do the math.

[Firespirit]

30. Kerry is deploying lawyers to Ohio

Kerry is sending lawyers to Ohio and several other states for election protection.

[peace13]

42. My comment may seem unkind

but well OK John, I'm not really sure why your attorneys left the first time around without some kind of answer from Ohio and SOS Blackwell. I must admit that I am very hard hearted about the way things went in Ohio 2004. We were in the trenches! We were at the statehouse begging the rest of America to join in, standing out in the cold to call attention to the problems in Ohio. Let me tell you 100 people on a street corner in Columbus, Ohio is a sorry sight when the fate of our country was on the line. Olbermann was the only one who reported then and today he is standing alone in the fight for America. We need to pull out every stop this November.

[Firespirit]

50. Some of the lawyers the first time around

were not, let's say, fully "with it."

The DNC, however, has objected to Kerry's organization sending lawyers at all this year.

[peace13]

60. Thanks for this. n/t

[Firespirit]

63. I should clarify

As far as anyone knows, the objection was not because they had a problem with the concept of election protection. It was more like a turf war and credit issue.

[whistle]

4. This is taking on legs, at least here on DU 3rd separate post I've seen

...about this. So, what is the story?

[saltpoint]

8. The phrase slam job comes to mind.

At least 3 separate posts today, virtually the same wording and context.

Democrats deserve better than they're getting on these boards.

[Mass]

43. The story is an anonymous hitjob on Kerry relayed by people

who have issues with Kerry.

The second part does not disturb me too much.

That they use ANONYMOUS SOURCES disturbs me a lot.

[blm]

47. It's called SWIFTBOATING to SPREAD LIES. The same thing happened in 2003

with a fake lefty site called wintersoldier, and it turned out to be GOP operatives.

[MH1]

110. What's the story? Swiftboating, plain and simple.

And some STUPID people who call themselves Democrats have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

Do a "whois" on that "Hey John" website that started this shit. ANONYMOUS. Gee, I wonder why.

A couple items of reading material:

http://blog.johnkerry.com/2006/10/woodward_interviews_kerry_on_9_1.html#comment-621

http://blog.johnkerry.com/2006/10/woodward_interviews_kerry_on_9_1.html#comment-624

[FrenchieCat]

6. Whoa!

Them some big numbers quoted there!

[saltpoint]

10. I wonder if you could show some support for other candidates other

than your lone favorite once in a while?

Just for a little variety.

[FrenchieCat]

24. What have I done and said? Is eating popcorn a slam or something?

I understand that you try and walk the fence with your Diplomatic self....and that seems to work for you....

me, I'm just up front (I'm not here to cultivate "friends", I'm here to discuss politics)--A story was posted, and although I "dared" post to the thread (as you did), I ain't exactly slamming anyone in particular here. :shrug:

Shouldn't you save your wrath for someone that actually makes a negative point? jeesh! :eyes:

[Name removed]

28. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[madfloridian]

54. Crusoe never has wrath...very patient usually.

But many of us who are being objective, see what is going on here.

It is getting obvious.

I'm with Crusoe.

[saltpoint]

62. Hey madfloridian, I just got off the phone a couple hours ago with

some people in Sarasota who tell me that Christine Jennings looks like a winner in that old Kathering Harris district.

I am elated.

She's a peach, and that goddamned Vern Buchanan is quite the authoritarian monster. He really gives me the creeps.

So point is, you folks down South are doing a hell of a great job putting some Democrats into positions of influence, and we owe you a thanks for that. Not just Jennings, either.

Way to go!

[AtomicKitten]

68. check

What is obvious is people unable to open their minds because of a predetermined POV.

[saltpoint]

70. Incorrect. Your facts are wrong. You posted a scurrilous piece

to slam Kerry. That was the intent of your post.

He's given more than other Democrats, more than most combined, and the figure totals 15 Million.

You might examine your own POV on this one. The point is to support Democrats, not slam them.

[AtomicKitten]

72. no, YOUR point is we are not allowed to post info that might be

construed as deleterious to your favorite candidate. That's YOUR point.

It is YOU that puts the party second to your candidate of choice, dude. Get that part straight.

It is YOU that needs to work for the Democratic Party instead of shilling for your favorite candidate.

[Mass]

75. Give us the source. There is no source. The origin is an anonymous

website that has been reported by newspapers and a blog.

Your OP says "Democrats". Give us the name of a known democrat asking that. That would solve the question.

For now, I would say "an anonymous website".

[saltpoint]

91. Whoops. Democrats is a plural noun. You attack one Democrat --

a very prominent and generous one -- on scurrilous, baseless points -- and I called you on it.

That's what happened.

Own it.

[madfloridian]

81. Well, yeh, stuff happens.

Here I am defending Kerry against unfair attacks by ....never mind...and I am said to have a predetermined POV? I am quite sure I locked horns with the Kerry folks before....but fair is fair,

I have seen one candidate almost destroyed here previously, and I know what's coming for Kerry.

I don't have to have a "predetermined POV" to believe in fairness.

[AtomicKitten]

85. but only fairness to whom you decide deserves it ...

and screw everybody else.

Do get back to us with a list of those you feel deserve fairness so I don't make the same mistake again. I really need to get on the same page as you, mf, because it is your opinion that matters.

Just show us the way.

[madfloridian]

88. That is just being silly.

.

[FrenchieCat]

77. and Crusoe's with you.....

:crazy:

[saltpoint]

92. Clark's endorsement of Kerry would suggest that either your

personal favorite likes the man and respects him enough to endorse him and campaign for him, or that your favorite isn't clear in his thinking.

Which is it?

[whistle]

15. Oh my God, I love your avatar and smilies twin popcorn eaters...

...Are you older than a congressional page?

[Mass]

36. I just wonder who is behing - Heyjohn.com does not exactly

give its sources.

If Schumer and Reid want more money, they may want to be more clear and direct (ASSUMING OF COURSE THEY ARE BEHIND THAT, WHICH IS STILL A BIG IF, as we do not know who started that).

[rox63]

7. Kerry has raised and donated over $11 million to candidates

As well as making large donations to the DNC, DSCC and DCCC. This is a crock of bullshit.

http://www.johnkerry.com/themost/

“Give me five more John Kerry’s,” says Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.). “He’s a fighter, and he puts his money where his mouth is.” – Roll Call, 5.1.06

11 million dollars. Over 200 candidates in more than 40 states. That’s how much, together, the johnkerry.com community and John Kerry have given to or raised for Democratic candidates and committees since November 2004. John Kerry is aggressively fundraising for Democratic candidates in 2006 – making direct contributions to campaigns, attending and hosting events in the states, emailing his 3 million person list of supporters on behalf of candidates, and raising money for state parties, the DNC, DSCC and DCCC.

"He also won plaudits for working on behalf of House candidates. `The question is was somebody willing to stand up back in the dark days when I needed help, and he was,' said US Representative Rahm Emanuel, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee."
-- Boston Globe, Brian Mooney, 10/9/06

Kerry has personally traveled to 24 states to appear with candidates and rally support at the grassroots. Kerry has made over 85 trips across the country to support Democratic candidates this cycle.

Kerry gave $1 million to the Democratic National Committee and raised an additional $250,000 for the DNC online. Kerry also gave $1 million to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and $500,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Kerry contributed $50,000 to the Louisiana State Party and gave $250,000 to the Washington State Democratic Party which helped finance a recount when the Republican party challenged the win of Gov. Christine Gregoire in 2005.

With the help of the johnkerry.com community, together we have raised over 100K each for 11 candidates, including Cantwell, Bill Nelson, Byrd, Sherrod Brown, Ford, McCaskill, Klobuchar, Webb, Duckworth, Patrick Murphy and Joe Sestak.

"Kerry has a big electronic address book and he hasn't been shy about using it…it's also bringing in quite a bit of money for Democrats nationwide…he has given or raised nearly $10 million for Democratic candidates and committees since November 2004." - Washington Post, "Kerry Treasury Department," 7.2.06

Getting veteran candidates elected to key seats is a top priority for John Kerry in 2006. He has actively supported over a dozen veteran candidates, including Jim Webb, Tammy Duckworth, and Chris Carney. "The Winners: John Kerry: Kerry not only endorsed Webb but appeared with him Monday for a last-minute campaign rally. Kerry also used his national e-mail list to raise cash and turn out the vote."- Washingtonpost.com, The Fix, "VA Senate Winners and Losers," 6.14.06

Additionally, in 2005-06, John Kerry contributed or raised over $175,200 on behalf of the Massachusetts Democratic party, He has used his email list to recruit over 500 volunteers to support the state’s efforts to elect Democrats in November. In the last two months before the election, he will attend 5 events in support of Deval Patrick, the Democratic nominee for Governor, and the Democratic ticket.

[FrenchieCat]

12. Maybe the question is not what has been spent, but rather

what is left to spend based on all of the numbers?

What About Hillary?....Isn't she sitting on a rather gigantic "war chest" herself considering that she's basically unbeatable as far as her senate seat is concerned? :shrug:

[Firespirit]

She is.

Well over $20 million.

[yebrent]

41. "What about Hillary?"

was my first thought after reading the OP.

[FrenchieCat]

78. Sounds like her and Bayh have got the biggo money......

and both should WANT to give a tinch more (well ok, a lot more!)

[Mass]

9. Again - Use anonymous sources to attack Kerry.

Well, come clean and tell us who is behind that. (not John of AmericaBlog - those who started this and are coward enough not to do it openly).

[nashville_brook]

11. people who donated to his "Recount Fund" feel cheated...

such as gesture would go a long way to tempering those feelings.

[ClassWarrior]

19. If the account is true...

...and that's a big "if."

NGU.

[peace13]

20. Agree whole- heartedly! n/t

[Firespirit]

13. Besides the obvious lies, this is a false premise

This is ALL about GOTV. The Republican Party has sunk a boatload of money into races, to no avail, but they are placing their bets on getting out the vote. I have personal knowledge that Kerry will be heavily pushing GOTV, and has had plans to do so for some time now.

Really, is this the sort of divisive, inane BS that we need two weeks before the election?

[rodeodance]

21. these Dems should be ashamed of themselves! He has given plenty!

[zulchzulu]

104. You assume this secret .org site is "democrats"...

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.

Using anonymous sources and now having ANY way to contact heyjohn.org proves to me that they have an agenda and have something to hide.

File under "Bullshit".

[ProSense]

22. Kerry gives more than $11 million, Clinton give $2 million and

he should emulate her? BS hit piece!

[Kerry fan]

25. I donate to John Kerry monthly.

And, sometimes in between, when I get e-mails from him asking me to donate to other candidates.

I only donate to John Kerry and to the candidates that he asks me to, because John Kerry is the only politician that I truly trust.

[peace13]

34. Good luck with that.

I guess I don't 'truly' trust any politician. Always keep one eye open! Not an attack, just saying.

[madfloridian]

35. Kerry has given way far more than others....I am suspicious..

that there may be some candidate based loyalty here left over or in planning for 08?

Oh, gee, I did not say that did I?

Examine your hearts.

Kerry has done far more than Hillary. Fair is fair.

I am seeing patterns emerging that scare me.

[madfloridian]

37. And to be clear....I have no horse in the 08 race.

So I am just observing and checking some sources on this.

[Firespirit]

38. Thank you.

Since the source of all this is supposedly a "top Democratic official" who isn't affiliated with the DSCC, your conclusion looks quite likely.

[madfloridian]

39. Well, we are coming to a very serious crossroads in our party.

It has been shown here in several ways.

It is beginning.

[blm]

51. This is swiftboating - smearing with lies and using the web to do it.

The more Kerry gives and the more time he devotes to other Dem candidates, the more he gets smeared accusing him otherwise.

[Firespirit]

56. It IS swiftboating.

A poster on DKOS called it that as well... but pointed out that at least the swiftboaters were courageous enough to do their dirty work publicly and under their real names.

Whoever is behind all this is a ball-less yellow coward, because so far they haven't owned up to it.

It's a sad sad day when the swiftboaters show more courage than an alleged Democrat.

[Sensitivity]

40. Is this a call for ALL DEMS TO EMPTY CAMPAIGN COFFERS? Or Just Kerry?

[madfloridian]

44. House and Senate are sitting on about 112 million total. Why choose Kerry?

Present your case.

I posted about the details of all of them. It is no excuse to attack Kerry, because he has given more than anyone else.

Unopposed House Democrats Sitting On $26,288,418

And the senate folks are sitting on about 84 million.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2892694&mesg_id=2892694

[AtomicKitten]

48. I posted information from four sources.

Researched and documented, just like you. Shall I reciprocate with the same question?

It's interesting your post is fine and mine is attacking. Not much logic in that, really, other than posturing.

Yes, it is beginning. And you every much a part of the problem (if one exists) even though you pretend to just be calling it.

[Mass]

58. Please tell us who IS BEHIND THE STORY

Why is heyjohn.com anonymous?

All the other sources are coming from this initial source and do not give ANY name.

[druidity33]

99. well...

4 sources who all quote the same anonymous website. All of whom of course add their little jabs in there...

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

49. Come on, fess up...why pick out Kerry from all the others?

Waiting. Hmmm..mm...

[AtomicKitten]

55. you can read my sources

and perhaps email them with your question ...

AmericaBlog
Hotline
TPN
the fourth a dot.org

Hmmmmmmmmm?

[Mass]

61. A NAME - Not articles referring to anonymous sources.

[ClassWarrior]

87. This is a pattern with this poster.

Declaring fact based on unsubstantiated reports from vague sources.

NGU.

[saltpoint]

95. I'm afraid I've witnessed the same pattern, and sadly so.

I'm a life-long Democrat and I work for the party at every level, no matter the nominee.

Many Democrats feel that loyalty is extremely important.

I've done a lot of envelope-stuffing and phone-calling with anonymous Democrats who will affirm and support all our candidates, whether for a county commission seat or the Presidency.

I don't run into many Democrats who slam our candidates as has happened here.

[laugle]

116. What about;

Phil Angelides and Dianne Frankenstein? Plenty of slamming on them in the California forum.

We need to have good candidates not just democrats.

And I too am a life-long democrat (36 years).

[Mass]

124. Slamming based on truth or on anonymous rumours.

The pb here is that the website that is at the origin of this story (the famous heyjohn.com) is registered privately. What do they have to hide.

[zulchzulu]

108. Anonymous sources and an anonymous web site...legit?

I don't think so... as Reagan said: "facts are silly things..."

[Firespirit]

46. Whoever is behind that website is, to paraphrase Kerry himself,

a chickenshit.

http://reports.internic.net/cgi/whois?whois_nic=heyjohn.org&type=domain

Domain Name:HEYJOHN.ORG
Created On:18-Oct-2006 18:59:26 UTC
Last Updated On:18-Oct-2006 19:01:46 UTC
Expiration Date:18-Oct-2007 18:59:26 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Go Daddy Software, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-024402498
Registrant Name: Registration Private
Registrant Organization: Domains by Proxy, Inc.


They paid extra to have their domain registration information hidden from the public.

WHY?

If their "cause" is so noble and honorable, why won't they put their name on their site?

[Sensitivity]

53. Could be the "Swift-Liars" scared to face another round with KERRY.

[zulchzulu]

82. I checked that too...

Schmuck...

[zulchzulu]

105. heyjohn.org traced...

Server: apache2-bongo.skor.dreamhost.com IP: 208.97.159.59

Out of LA...

[zulchzulu]

121. Graphic on site used Photoshop with user reg. name "Ducky"

It looks like Ducky is trying to duck out of showing who he/she is...

[Mass]

65. Democrats ask nothing - A totally anonymous source asks.

A name please.

[AtomicKitten]

66. Democracy Now Inquires What Happened to the Recount Money

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/17/1525203

[Mass]

67. So, still no name for your anonymous source?

[zulchzulu]

84. John Conyers has appreciated Kerry's post election recount efforts

Will Democracy Now talk about that issue? Get Conyers on the phone. Should everyone who has worked on that work for free?

"Fighting for Every Voter"

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me. As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes...

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me.

As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth.

That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor.

This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why -- and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters.

- John Conyers

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm

[ProSense]

102. Ohio Democratic Party

Wednesday, November 10, 2004

Every Vote Will Be Counted! – Updated 11/10/2004 – 11:30 a.m.

The Ohio Democratic Party shares Sen. John Kerry’s insistence that every vote be counted.

Here is where we stand in Ohio:

► After the Unofficial Results reported Nov. 2 – George Bush leads John Kerry by 136,483 votes.

► Provisional ballots will be counted.

155,000 provisional ballots have been cast and not yet been counted.

County Boards of Elections have until Friday to verify the eligibility of those who cast a provisional vote. Counting will begin, Saturday, November 13. County Boards have until. Dec. 1, 2004 to certify their vote totals and report them to the Secretary of State.

► Two Democrats and Two Republicans sit on each County Board of Elections.

Tabulations of the votes will be done in a bi-partisan manner. Only if there is a tie vote on the board does the decision go to the Secretary of State.

► Overseas absentee ballots have not been counted.

Overseas Absentee ballots by civilians may have been received by County Boards of Elections by Nov. 2 that have not yet been counted. The Boards of Elections will count those votes.

Overseas absentee ballots by military have until, Friday, Nov. 12 to arrive and be counted by the Boards of Elections in the final total.

► 93,000 punch cards were cast, but a vote for president was not counted.

The votes were not counted either because the voter voted for more than one candidate or did not vote for a presidential candidate. These ballots will be reexamined if there is a recount.

Ohio has a uniform, statewide system for recounting punch card ballots. Hanging chads and dimpled chads are treated uniformly throughout the state.

► Examination for errors going on in all 88 Ohio counties.

A Vote Error on Election night gave George Bush 3,893 more votes in a Franklin County precinct than actually cast for him. That error was found by comparing the unofficial abstract of votes casts by precinct to votes for each candidate. Officials in all 88 counties have been contacted and requested to review for a similar error.

Lawyers volunteering for Kerry in Ohio are collecting detailed data from the counties to ensure the all eligible voters were allowed to cast a vote and have that voted counted.

► No Ohio County used Diebold Electronic Voting Machines (See Press Release Below)

Ohio did not use modern electronic voting machines in this election. Six counties use an older form of electronic voting, which has a means of verifying the accuracy of the vote. In 69 Ohio Counties, punch card ballots were used.

► Recount – In Ohio a recount is automatic for statewide election if difference in the vote is within 0.25% of the total votes cast.

For a recount is the presidential race, this is probably about a 19,000-vote margin between Kerry and Bush.

Only a losing candidate can request a recount. A recount may always be requested regardless of the closeness of the race. The recount is requested by the losing candidate. The request for a recount must be made within 5 days of the official announcement of the results by the Secretary of State.

The fee for a recount is set by each Board of Elections and may be between $5 and $10 per precinct. You can limit the recount to specific precincts. The cost is deposited by the person making the recount request at the time of the application based on the number of precincts requested to be recounted. The entire recount and contest procedures are outlined at ORC 3515.

http://www.ohiodems.org/index.php?display=ReleaseDetails&id=191201

Today, Kerry-Edwards filed a document in support of that statement. Most significant, Kerry-Edwards also filed today a separate document in support of our motion for hearing with two critical attachments: 1) a declaration from Kerry-Edwards attorney Don McTigue regarding a survey he conducted of Kerry-Edwards county recount coordinators; 2) a summary chart of the results of that survey (which highlight the inconsistent standards applied during the recount).

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/2/24/183243/756

http://www.truthout.org/pdf/cobbbadnariktransfertatement22305.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardsmctiguedecl22405.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardsmotionforhearing22405.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardssummarychart22405.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardstransferstatement22405.pdf

This afternoon, an attorney representing the Kerry/Edwards presidential campaign filed two important motions to preserve and augment evidence of alleged election fraud in the November election. The motions were filed in the matter titled Yost et al. v. Delaware County Board of Elections and J. Kenneth Blackwell (Civil Action No. C2-04-1139) with the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio. The document is titled "Motion Of Intervenor-Defendant Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc. For A Preservation Order And For A Leave To Take Limited Expedited Discovery."

The purpose of the motions is twofold: A) To preserve all ballots and voting machines pertaining to the Yost matter for investigation and analysis; and B) To make available for sworn deposition testimony a technician for Triad Systems, the company that produced and maintained many of the voting machines used in the Ohio election. The technician has been accused of tampering with the recount process in Hocking County, Ohio, though other counties are believed to have also been involved. Any officers of Triad Systems who have information pertaining to said tampering are likewise subject to subpoena for sworn deposition testimony.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122804V.shtml

[beachmom]

137. Democracy Now has their own agenda. They do not support

Democrats. They did a whole episode on Skull and Bones. They lost my respect when they interviewed Chavez for 3 days without even fact checking what he said. They're biased, and I don't consider them a good source, especially for matters about Democrats, who they think are Republican Lite.

[Mass]

69. All YOUR SOURCES REPORT FROM THE SAME ANONYMOUS SOURCES

If I say that somebody said that Hillary is cheating on Bill and that I repeat that somebody said that ..., this is still an anonymous source.

So, what is the name of the source!!!

Clearly, some people think that dividing Democrats will help them lose. The only question is to know why Democrats would relay that.

[ProSense]

71. From Open Secrets

Kerry's PAC (nearly all contributions):

Keeping America's Promise: Expenditures
Total records: 54607

Total Spent (view expenditures)
$4,217,706
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expend.asp?strID=C00409508&Cycle=2006


Clinton's PAC (nearly all wages and administrative expenses):

HILLPAC: Expenditures
Total records: 2045

Total Spent (view expenditures)
$2,401,758
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expend.asp?strID=C00363994&Cycle=2006

[spag68]

73. Money

Look, I'm probably one of the oldest posters here, and iI have to tell all of you this, I'm glad to not know their plans. If I knew it would be common knowledge and therefore the thugs would know. Of course I have an inherent look at all pols., but I have to trust my party to do the right thing. We are their sounding board, their conscience, as well as supporters, this is IMHO the real job of dem. blogs. I believe Kerry is as honest as a pol. can be and what he did as a young man out of nam. was heroic, don't slam him, let it play out. As for Hillary, she and bill have done much for the cause, we should be happy to have them. Joe Biden has also stepped out with some balls and should be commended. I think the dems. are finally hitting their stride.

[WildEyedLiberal]

76. Swiftboating

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/07/warner_staffs_u.html

A footnote: Warner's PAC will release an estimate of the amount of money he's raised for other Democrats this cycle -- about $5M. That puts him in the ballpark of Sen. Hillary Clinton, who has raised at least $7.5 million for Democrats, Ex-Sen. John Edwards, who has raised at least $6.5 million. Everyone lags Sen. John Kerry, who has raised close to $14 million.

This is the purest example of Swiftboating I have seen in a long time. I am heartened that DUers on this thread are smart enough to see what is really behind this thread, however. For shame.

[zulchzulu]

79. $11 million. Over 200 candidates in over 40 states. $1 million to Russ

Yeah, John... it's all your fault...

:sarcasm:

[ProSense]

83. The "DNC, DCCC, and DSCC" are not out of money!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2894073&mesg_id=2894073

[rockymountaindem]

89. This is an intellectually dishonest, BS thread

Why would you fall for the same tactics that the swiftboaters used before? Oh, a neutral organization? Of course. A neutral organization that doesn't want anyone to know who in the hell they are. This is just another anti-Kerry lie, and one that can be easily refuted at that. I've seen the posts about all of Kerry's donations before, and anyone who has would know immediately that this little blog posting or whatever about how Kerry is hoarding millions of dollars is a piece of crap.

You oughta be ashamed for posting this. Is your BS meter completely broken or is it just non-existant?

[saltpoint]

93. I challenge you to contact the Kerry Senate office and offer a

photocopy of your post here.

I challenge you to assert that he has been less than generous or less than effective in helping other Democrats.

And I challenge you to demonstrate to him and his staff how you have done better on both counts.

[madfloridian]

94. Here's what the Hotline blog says about Hey John...they know.

Ask them.

"Within the past two weeks, Senate colleagues, staffers and Democratic strategists began to lean on Bayh and Kerry to write larger checks, even resorting, in some instances, to direct shame: yesterday, a Democratic official not affiliated with the DSCC sent around a website, http://www.heyjohn.org/, which takes Kerry to task "We all know why John Kerry wants to hold on to the money we gave him for 2004, but he has plenty of time left to raise money for 2008. There are only 19 days left until this election," the website says. "

Now this has not been going on at Kos yet, that I can see.

If they know who this "official" is....they should tell us.

Don't you think?

If not, then they should not refer to it.

[AtomicKitten]

98. please feel free to continue to ignore the OTHER sources of info

I provided and focus on the ONE anonymous source if you think it's subterfuge that mitigates the complaint. This issue is broader than the apologists here acknowledge even though I provided a plethora of sources considered valid by any standard. I question if some here are really serious about taking back Congress.

Here's what Hotline REALLY says about this since you posted only a tiny bit and people are obviously too lazy to click the link and read it.

October 19, 2006

Dems Pressure Kerry, Bayh to Give To DSCC

Excerpt:

Top Democrats are trying to convince two potential presidential candidates with flush campaign bank accounts to part with as much as $1 million each to finance the DSCC s late October effort to pull six Senate seats from Republican control. Sen. Evan Bayh's 2010 re-election committee reported $10.6 million cash on hand through the end of 9/06. On Monday, following a conversation with Min. Leader Sen. Harry Reid, Bayh directed his donors to raise $100K for the DSCC and intends deliver the checks by the beginning of next week.

'04 Dem nominee John Kerry (D-MA) has more than $8 million in his presidential campaign account. In 2004, Kerry contributed $1 million to help retire the DSCC's. debt. Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), another presidential aspirant with low cash reserves has given $100,000 from his Senate account and $30,000 from his PAC, according to his spokesman, Trevor Miller. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) has given $100K. Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) has written a $50K check.

Within the past two weeks, Senate colleagues, staffers and Democratic strategists began to lean on Bayh and Kerry to write larger checks, even resorting, in some instances, to direct shame: yesterday, a Democratic official not affiliated with the DSCC sent around a website, http://www.heyjohn.org/, which takes Kerry to task. "We all know why John Kerry wants to hold on to the money we gave him for 2004, but he has plenty of time left to raise money for 2008. There are only 19 days left until this election," the website says.

Both Kerry and Bayh intend to use their store of money to finance to the first part of their 2008 presidential bids. Neither faces an intervening federal election, which means that they won't be able to solicit money from the same donors who've already given to their Senate accounts this cycle. If either candidate fails to meet fundraising expectations in the first fundraising period of 2007, their presidential bids could falter in their exploratory phases. Still, both have spent millions from their political action committees to aid Democrats across the country. They've both held dozens of fundraisers for Democratic candidates and have contributed the maximum amount to candidate campaigns up and down the ballot.

[madfloridian]

100. America blog and Hotline used the anon source. Wrong.

If they know who it is, a Democrat, why don't they just say who it is?

Why the secrecy?

Why just John Kerry?

Suddenly there is this all out Clinton blitz...all the centrist blogs are salivating that "someone" is "finally" speaking out build our enthusiasm. That is bull****. Many have been speaking and fighting back while the Clintons sat back and waited for election time. Kerry is not their choice, but he might be the nemesis.

I saw the destruction here in 03. Very few survived it. I will fight it happening again.

They are all saying the "sensible center" and the "moderate middle" are the place to be...they are warning us NOT to be too partisan.

Well, frankly, I know which roads NOT to go down twice. Kerry was not the centrist candidate, and his supporters have been right about this all along.

I think I will watch who wants to take us down the road of empire still. Yes, I will.

[AtomicKitten]

101. it was referred to as an EXAMPLE of measures people are

taking to shame them into coughing up the money. You pretend this is isolated to one anonymous source. It is not. Many, many Democrats want them to use the money donated in 2004 on this midterm election.

Please feel free to ignore the real issue and continue to propagate your conspiracy theories if you feel that mitigates this problem. I'll be sure to remind you of it when you attack those you feel not worthy of your magnanimous "fairness."

[Mass]

106. Give us some names. We are still waiting.

[MH1]

112. Carville.

Who started this "loan" shit in the first place?

Who has the most to gain by undermining Kerry?

Which potential 08 candidate is studiously NOT mentioned in almost all of the posts I've seen forwarding this stupidity?

On a direct response to the crapola - and JMHO - it's no fucking wonder Kerry doesn't give much to the DSCC, after the way the Dem establishment has been back-stabbing him. He's supporting individual candidates that HE believes in. Hell, you'd think the DLC-haters and anti-establishment-Dem folks at DU would be cheering Kerry for standing up to Reid and Schumer.

[Mass]

115. I would not even accuse Carville. All I see is an anonymous website.

Nobody gives a source. It could as well be a group like the SBVT who is trying to divide Democrats at 3 weeks of a major election.

No way to know, and the OP does not seem to have any either.

I posted that earlier. I know you saw it, but I repost it here for others.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2893871

[MH1]

127. Well, I don't like playing this game, but until someone finds the name

I'll assume snakishness comes from snakes.

Whoever started this stupidity, certain "Democrats" have been all too happy to play along. Fuck 'em.

(and I'm not talking about elected Dems, although some of them are certainly carrying a whiff of skunk on themselves from this affair)

[Mass]

128. Not sure we are talking about a Democrat here.

[MH1]

132. True - but where are the Democrats DENOUNCING it?

I.Rest.My.Case.

(not to argue with you too strenuouosly Mass - we agree. This is more of a Plato-style dialog)

[blm]

103. HOTLINE Is CONTRADICTING their PAST report then from last June

So it must be that someone is just ACCEPTING at face value what this ANONYMOUS website is about. But it IS amazing how it spread so quickly and even grabbed an AP story, just like the Swifts.



http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/07...

>>>>
A footnote: Warner's PAC will release an estimate of the amount of money he's raised for other Democrats this cycle -- about $5M. That puts him in the ballpark of Sen. Hillary Clinton, who has raised at least $7.5 million for Democrats, Ex-Sen. John Edwards, who has raised at least $6.5 million. Everyone lags Sen. John Kerry, who has raised close to $14 million.
>>>>

[Mass]

107. Give us names! It is true there are none in the article.

So, are those Democrats that cowards that they refuse to give names.

[AtomicKitten]

111. Wonkette

Hollywood, Upper West Side Demand Rebates



This might be our new favorite campaign website of the season. “Hey John” is dedicated to making John Kerry give back all the money he got in 2004. And, if we’re lucky, enough additional money to keep him off of our televisions and computer screens forever. Or at least until 2009 or something, when President Macaca will have him jailed.

Hey, John!

http://www.wonkette.com/

[Mass]

117. Same source - You have people repeating t he same source.

Once again who is this source.

[zulchzulu]

119. Wonkette the Deandroid

Predictable pap from this wankette.

[AtomicKitten]

114. Josh Marshall

(October 19, 2006 -- 02:49 PM EST // link)

If you're wondering why the DSCC and Harry Reid are leaning on Kerry and Bayh in particular, this may be the answer.

So far Kerry has given the senate election committee $15,000 and Bayh $30,000.

Just for some random points of comparison Biden ($230,000), Feinstein ($1,106,800), Rockefeller ($325,000), Salazar ($116,000).

I know Kerry's done a ton of campaigning for candidates around the country. I think he's a great Democrat. But he's sitting on a lot of money. And the DSCC could do a lot right now with money from these two.

-- Josh Marshall

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[Mass]

118. So, because a couple of sites repeated an anonymous source, that makes it

more legitimate?

[MH1]

129. Why

should Kerry give money to establishment Dems who have been screwing him over and selling him short, when he can give money directly to candidates that he actually supports?

I don't give to the DCCC or the DSCC anymore myself. And I DAMN sure won't be giving Reid and Schumer another dime. I'll keep contributing directly to good candidates - and Howard Dean's 50-state approach - and screw the centrist Dems and their power games.

[AtomicKitten]

120. Irregular Times: Kerry 2008 Slogan "This Time I'll Spend It"

A Kerry 2008 Slogan: This Time, I’ll Spend It!

The National Journal follows John Kerry’s campaign to win the Presidency in 2008 and gives him high marks for his…

a) bright policy proposals
b) popularity among citizens
c) big campaign warchest

If you guessed c), then you’re correct. Yes, it seems that besides Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, John Kerry has the biggest stash of campaign cash on hand, putting him in fine financial shape to run a viable presidential campaign in 2007 and 2008. Where, oh where, did that campaign money come from? Why, goodness! The vast majority of his money, $15.3 million, comes from the 2004 campaign. You see, John Kerry just decided it would be wisest not to spend that money in 2004 to defeat George W. Bush’s attempt for a second term. Why, no, silly! He just decided to sit on that ol’ nest egg. Just in case he lost. Which he did. Because he didn’t do every thing he could. Like spend $15.3 million to help persuade the American people that he was up for the job.

Where did that $15.3 million come from? It came from you, me, and other citizens who thought that when they were donating money to the Kerry 2004 campaign, they were actually donating money to the Kerry 2004 campaign. What sillies we were! Silly, silly, silly!

Of course, now that we know better, the silliest thing of all now would be to ever give money to a campaign run by John “whatever” Kerry again.

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/05/25/a-kerry-2008-slogan-this-time-ill-spend-it/

[Mass]

122. LOL. We can repeat that as long as you want. That is still called rumor.

There all repeat what the original site said.

So, give us the name of a Democrat.

[Name removed]

123. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[AtomicKitten]

125. "Kerry the Miser Saves for 2008"

Kerry the Miser Saves for 2008"
http://www.browndailyherald.com/media/storage/paper472/news/2004/12/03/Columns/Kerry.The.Miser.Saves.For.2008-820729.shtml?norewrite200610192023&sourcedomain=www.browndailyherald.com

Excerpts:

John Kerry still has millions of dollars in contributions that he didn't spend on beating President Bush and the Republicans. Estimates of the amount that Kerry is still sitting on vary from $10 to 45 million.

After countless pleas to ordinary citizens like you and I to contribute to the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign, one hopes that those pleas would amount to something better than extortion. We were told that, in return for our contribution, he would protect our nation from any future abuses by the Bush administration. Instead, he has enriched himself for another run in 2008. The disgust of Democratic campaign strategist Donna Brazille and other Democratic National Committee members, as reported by the media, shows that I am not the only one who sees this as outrageous and illogical.

*****

But it was John Kerry's job to do all he could. No less is expected from the party leader and presidential nominee. And yet, he couldn't even manage to spend all the money he was given in order to win.

While it hurts those of us who worked hard to help Democrats, it hurts more for those who couldn't afford to join us. It hurts most for those who have seen their lives deteriorate under the intentional neglect of the Bush administration. And it is to those people that John Kerry owes an apology.

[Mass]

126. It was 2 years ago - So you still cannot substantiate your initial claim.

Who are these Democrats you are talking about.

[ProSense]

135. You know what I love about this thread?

Shows a complete meltdown! A last gasp of pent up frustration!

Kerry is out working to get Democrat elected. Where is Gore?

[blm]

140. Don't believe that the effort is being done for Gore - Gore would ABHOR

this tactic.

[Mass]

130. kos passing the opportunity to attack Kerry - This is very telling.

[mirandapriestly]

133. An aide to Bob Fitrakis had compiled information on Ohio

vote purging that is going on now and gave it to John Kerry's office and they did not return her call or show interest. She was on Thom Hartmann talking about it.

[AtomicKitten]

136. he ignores it at his own peril

I'm sorry to hear he continues to have a tin ear because election fraud is rampant. Well, that probably explains why he's lagging behind Hillary, Gore, Clark, and Edwards consistently in polling.

[ProSense]

138. So Bob Fitrakis is sitting on the proof that the election is stolen?

Pathetic!

[Firespirit]

139. Is she claiming it was sent by e-mail?

If so, that is a lie.

[beachmom]

134. This reminds me of Karl Rove propaganda

Attack Kerry for one of his strengths. I'm sure somebody has already linked to this, but nobody has given more money to candidates than John Kerry -- over $13 million. Hillary, I think, gave $9 million to the DSCC, and everyone else MUCH lower.

Kerry is #1, so the only way to knock him down is with lies. This is a swiftboat job.

[The empressof all]

141. Locking

This has become a flaming mess.....enough.