Elizabeth Edwards delivers smackdown to Hillary Clinton

[BluegrassDem]

By saying she's more joyful and happier than HRC. I don't think it's up to Elizabeth to determine what makes another woman happy. She says she doesn't know Hillary, but goes on to judge Hillary's happiness. I really don't think she's in the position to say whether someone else is happy or not.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/20/D8KSHGPO0.html

[pnwmom]

1. You're right. It's a case of an extravert(Edwards) judging a more reserved

person. Hillary doesn't wear her heart on her sleeve, but that doesn't tell you anything about her emotional life.

[BlueManDude]

2. She loses points in my book - classless.

I'm no Hillary for Prez person either. I won't be voting for Edwards or Clinton in the primary.

[BluegrassDem]

4. She lost a few points in my eyes too

It was kind of classless, which is shocking from her. I really liked Elizabeth a lot, but am shocked she'd make such a judgment about another woman she admits she doesn't even know well.

Well if the article is taken out of context, someone better come out and refute it. Until then, I'll take the article at face value and believe she said that.

[hopein08]

28. See my post #27 or this other DU thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2897699

Elizabeth now says it was taken out of context and a whole bunch of other things. It also wasn't an article, but the transcript of remarks she made at a luncheon.

Ladies Home Journal says they stand by the way that they wrote it.

Who to believe?

[DemDogs]

36. My guess? She's right.

She didn't say they quotations were wrong but that they were combined (or something like that) which gave a whole different reading to what she said. The Ladies Home Journal response sounds like Bush-talk: we never make mistakes.

[BruceMcF]

46. Its a lot easier to misquote phrasing than wording, ...

... since, after all, pauses, ends of sentences, paragraphs starting and ending ... none of that is as hard to fudge as the words themselves, when you have a tape and are making a transcript. Though it startled me that it was the Ladies Home Journal ... trying to pump up the circulation, I guess.

[DemDogs]

25. I rather like an honest voice

If the truth hurts, it hurts, but it doesn't sound from the rest of the quotation that she was trying to hurt her at all. She was pretty nice, actually. And honest, which is too rare.

[OzarkDem]

31. GOP media has you fooled

That's just the reaction they were hoping for when they took two of Edwards answers to questions and "combined" them. That's dishonest jouralism. But it that's what you prefer...

[blm]

3. I hope this doesn't get pumped up.

Her words may have not come out right and the media WILL twist what's said and create a storyline out of the twist.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

5. There's no way I could be joyful

If I had to eat salmon and cabbage. Good thing I'm not a millionaire. :)

[Hav]

6. .

That's what, the fifth thread now?
I agree that there was no reason to say something like that but there is also no need to make more out of it.

[AlCzervik]

7. at least. I'll wait until i hear from the source herself before i decide

anything on this matter. It is possible it was taken out of context, i hate using that but i'm just saying, that article was very short and choppy so i'm more than a little skeptical.

[partylessinOhio]

8. Oh, that was snippy! What does she have against Hillary?

I cannot understand why some people feel they are so important that they need to write a book. I would never buy anyone's self book.

The Clintons were the first family and they were asked to write their books. Who asked Elizabeth?

She should pay more attention to herself and how she looks like her husband's mother.

[OzarkDem]

32. She didn't say it

Even the magazine admitted it rearranged her words.

[beaconess]

40. Why comment on her looks?

Elizabeth Edwards has never made a big deal of her looks, so why should anyone else?

She even jokes about looking older than her her husband - her response: "Let him give birth to four kids and see what he ends up looking like!"

[Catchawave]

9. I'm not familiar with this website ?

How credible are they? Looked like just a bunch of stream of consciousness out of context quotes?

Would Elizabeth really "talk" like that?

[Bombtrack]

10. They're both pretty good women who aren't even close to the best

potential female presidential candidates.

Barbara Boxer takes the cake in that department.

[Superman Returns]

11. weird

[Temporary1]

12. As she should against that preppie faux Democrat

Go liz!

[1932]

13. She says they conflated two separate answers to create that quote and that

it is out of context, FWIW: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2573227

[Rowdyboy]

17. So very few here care about facts......

Glad you're one that does

[DemDogs]

18. The press got a wrong? You're joking.

I give credit where someone makes the correction AND takes the hit. Not classless at all. Straight answers, no positioning, that's what we need. I could be wrong, but I think that is why Elizabeth Edwards is well-liked.

[high density]

14. I'd like to know how much the Edwards pay for their PR firm

Once a month it seems there is some pointless/useless "news" article covering either Elizabeth or John Edwards. I really wish they'd just give it up already. They're always talking about themselves and it just rubs me the wrong way. Look at, for example, Wes Clark, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, or Al Gore and they're all doing a great job to advance various Democratic causes. On the other hand, every time I hear stuff about Edwards it's something like, "Hey look at us, we are wonderful and John Edwards still wants to be president!!!"

[FrenchieCat]

16. Well, he does, doesn't he?

What's weird is that Edwards and Obama both go on Oprah after both writing books, and Obama gets all the ink. Edwards better ask for some of that money back from that PR firms. They've been so good before, maybe they just need a vacation! :shrug:

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[Clark2008]

23. My marshmellow has less fluff than John Edwards.

Give it a rest, yourself. Our guy BEAT Edwards in five of the nine primaries in which they both competed, so I'd shut up if I were you.

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[FrenchieCat]

44. As said before....I'm not your "girl".....

and Actually I'm not in every thread. My original post was the only one in any thread dealing with this saga....if you care to take a look. Why don't you go snipe as some other folks.....instead of looking overly defensive and singling me out to censor! :shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

43. I'm no more a "girl" than Elizabeth Edwards or Hillary Clinton are.

Further, If you don't like what I have to say, you can always act like I don't exist.....ya know!

[BluegrassDem]

20. Obama is a fresh face on the national scene

That's why he gets more ink than Edwards. We already know about Edwards. He ran for VP last time. Nothing new really there.

[beaconess]

41. Obama is newer than Edwards - he's a fresher face

And his story is more compelling.

Most people know pretty much all there is to know about the Edwards - they've gotten plenty of media in the past three years, especially in 2004. Obama is something new and people are just starting to learn about him, so it's no wonder he's getting more ink lately.

[BruceMcF]

49. Obama is selling a book, and dangling ...

... the presidential possibility as a lure to get people interested in the book ... and ... that ... is ... a good thing.

It means that when he appears for a candidate at a rally, it gets maximum possible exposure, or if he appears at a fundraiser, it maximizes the ticket sales. Anything that helps the campaigns of those running.

Take, for example, appearing with Webb. I've read that it gave Webb a boost with blacks in VA ... and somebody just now had the m*c*c* reflex response, "but, why would they vote for Allen" ... but don't forget that not turning out at all is like half a vote for Allen. In a mid-term election, turn out is crucial, so enthusiasm in the base is crucial. Now, even if Webb does not win, forcing the Replicants to defend Allen in VA meant they had to pull money out of Ohio, which makes it easier for Strickland and Sherrod Brown, which helps the down ticket candidates, which improves our chances of getting an honest Secretary of State, which increases the chances of whoever is the nominee in 2008. Since the Replicants have never, ever, won without Ohio.

And, yes, ditto for Edwards appearing at a rally and fundraising for Webb, same thing. And anyone else who can plausibly come down and help. And if Kerry is better off up in the Northeast Coast, and he puts in the time, well, there are Republican seats up for grabs there too, so good on him too. And before you jump in and say your guy or gal is doing the same thing, yessssss, good on them too. Every single one of them that is pulling out the thumb and hitting the 2006 campaign trail.

Mid-November is certainly soon enough for people who have been laying the foundation to decide if they are really going to make a run for it. Right now, as long as they all get out on the campaign trail and hustle, good on all of them.

[beaconess]

53. It also means that, besides Biden, he's the only Dem accorded solo

status on the talk shows.

Bush Administration officials get plenty of solo turns on the networks - which isn't unusual since they're the ones in office. Less understandably, the press continues to fall all over McCain - "Mr. Straight Talk" - although his rep as a maverick is exceedingly overrated. Nevertheless, he almost always appears alone on these shows, bolstering his image as an elder statesman who is above the give-and-take of politics. Biden is one of the few Dems who ever gets to appear alone, but he is such a self-promoting blowhard that it's hard to take him seriously.

But Obama is now being highlighted much as McCain is. Who know how long this honeymoon will last, but as along as it does, Obama gives the Democratic message an excellent platform that helps to counter-balance the Bush/McCain juggernaut.

More power to him!

[talk hard]

15. $20 on Hill

pow

[Imagevision]

21. Obama does look good, a healthy breath of "fresh air"

[DesertRat]

22. More discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2443796

[hopein08]

27. And now she has apologized & claimed she was misquoted, etc. See here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2897699

[MethuenProgressive]

29. More catty sore loser comments from Mrs Edwards...

..not long ago she was claiming she'd be First Lady now if the '04 Dem ticket was reversed. Your 15 mins were up two years ago, lady.

[OzarkDem]

30. Taken out of context

by a news media that is anxious to create conflict between Edwards and Clinton camps.

[BruceMcF]

47. Heck, we saw that in the Hardball interview.

Tweety spent more than half the interview trying to get Elizabeth Edwards to criticize the way that Kerry handled the 2004 compaign. That was the quote he was angling for, and she didn't give it to him. The Ladies Home Journal wanted a catfight between HRC and Elizabeth Edwards, and merged two different answers together to obtain the quote they wished that Elizabeth had actually said.

[DemDogs]

37. She never said that

I assume you are talking about Time magazine where she was saying that she had tried to argue that John Edwards should be on the top of the ticket. The guy did run for the nomination, right? She did make that argument, right? But when he didn't get it, she campaigned as hard as anyone, and harder than some you could name, to make John Kerry president. Did you want her to say she always thought John Kerry should be at the top? Wouldn't that be a lie and a stupid lie at that?

[benny05]

33. Let us pit Dems vs another...are you proud?

It's not 2008 yet

[tkmorris]

34. This thread is disgusting

First of all the story is wrong. Ms. Edwards comments were selectively edited to make them appear as controversial as possible. Everyone here has enough experience with this sort of thing that they should suspect it whenever these stories come out. In any case, the truth of this one has already come out.

People, like whoever you want to. Dislike whoever you want to. But, in the name of whatever is holy to you, retract the damned claws. These petty snarling catfights are just ridiculous. We have GOT to stop using any excuse to trash the Democrat we don't favor.

Pick your candidate. Make your argument. Be respectful to the ones you didn't pick. Circular gunfights just bloody all of us.

[spooky3]

39. well said!

[femrap]

35. Great....the media wants these 2 women fighting

each other over who is the most joyful.....pleeeeeeeeez.

I ain't buying....and no one else should either. What crap.

A 'joyful contest.' Great tactic...let's divide and conquer the women's vote. I think we're all too smart for this.

Screw Ladies Home Journal....nothing but articles on how to lose weight, prepare desserts (thus gaining the weight back) and organizing one's busy schedule around shopping and consuming everything in sight....ugh.

[Kingofalldems]

38. Looks like breitbart is a RW site to me

'Smackdown' seems to be your word. And she already apologized to Sen. Clinton. What's up here?

[zulchzulu]

42. Just what the Repugs want: Demochicks getting into a catfight

Nice stereotype to work off of...

:sarcasm:

[BluegrassDem]

45. I don't understand the Edwards animosity?

If Hillary wins the presidency, Edwards could be in line to get a plum job somewhere in the administration, like Attorney General. But oh well, so much for that.

[BruceMcF]

48. What animosity?

There was very rarely any sparks between John Edwards and the other candidates in 2004 when they were all declared and running. The media, though, want a fight to distract from the suspense of the current situation ... they have been burned before for picking a Democratic win when the trend has run Democratic, but this has been trending Democratic so long, and Bush's approval ratings are so low, that they don't want to pick a Republican victory either.

So they'd rather talk about something else.

[tkmorris]

50. Ms Edwards harbors no animosity

At least, none that can be verified. There is every reason to believe that there IS no animosity of any kind from her toward Hillary, or really much of anyone.

The entire incident has been utterly debunked on this and other threads, and yet you continue to post as if you have not read any of that. Please, I implore you, go back and read this information again. The last thing in the world Democrats need to be doing is inventing mythical divisions among the leaders within the party. This sort of discussion, in direct opposition to any facts, can only serve those who would rather see us fighting each other instead of them.

[OzarkDem]

52. GOP trolls in this thread

There's nothing the GOP would like better than to stir up trouble between the Clinton & Edwards camps.

[LostinVA]

54. The place is heavy with their stench

And, people on this thread are totally falling for them.

[krkaufman]

51. Interesting contrast between the thread subject and its content

Subject says "smackdown", indicating (in my world) a righteous refutation of a policy position or statement. However, the thread content is simply criticism of Edwards' comments, with no meat substantiating said "smackdown" -- nor does the article content communicate a "smackdown."

I agree with the thread's content that one person cannot judge another's relative joy, but find misleading subject headings most disagreeable.

edit: Wow, does this thread provide a microcosm of Democratic problems, or what? A lot of sniping at one potential '08 Pres candidate or another, as opposed to putting trivial differences aside to focus on core issues and areas of agreement.