My Opinion: Kerry will lose to Bush in November

[seventhson]

Before this gets locked for being too negative or is attacked for being flamebait, I must start by saying that this is MY opinion.

I am not inviting flaming. I am inviting honest rebuttal as well as honest agreement from thos who share my view.

I have said over and over again on this board that I come from the same background as Kerry, more or less. My family was a Yale, Harvard family and I attended the same prep school, like St. Paul's where Kerry went with the elites, as at least one fine President and many many spooks (CIA/Skull and Bonesers). I have relatives by marriage and otherwise who are skull members and some are spooks or held/hold security clearances. I am also a personal friend of John Loftus who really revealed to the world that Bush's family made their fortune in the Holocaust.

I know these people. These Yale elites. These Grottlesex CIA preppies whose daddies run the largest wall street and international banking firms and operations like Halliburton and Brown and Root and Bechtel and Carlyle.

My father came from that background and became sickened by it in WWII. He worked with the resistance and antifascist underground in Nazi-Occupied Europe. He did intelligence work for the US government AND he was ordered NOT to help the underground. He did so anyway.

I have a publishing deal for a book on this subject, but because of death threats on other boards (coming from corporate fascist supporters of the neoNazis who possess the White House) and on my personal email I have to remian anonymous here until I get my book published. But this is what I do: I research the corruption of democracy by fascists.

I have fought many battles with Will Pitt over Kerry and Kerry's spooky background. His Prep School teammate FBI Director/Fixer Robert Mueller ( a cipher these days). Most here know my quirks and whistles and bells.

But I digress...

Kerry and Bush are members of a not so secret club. It is at its core a debating club. No booze but weekly or biweekly debates over catered dinners in the bone-filled crypt which is their headquarters. They debate the politics of world dominance and the best ways to make it work for them.

Their "special" number is 322, the date significant as it relates to the silver tongued Greek orator Demosthenes (more on this later).

The PRIMARY goal of the organization is to train these men to be the leaders of tomorrow. The protectors of the global imperialist realm with Yale and Harvard and Princeton at its core. Wall Street financial Institutions and the intelligence services and federal courts are its tools for growth and maintenance of power. Anglo-German predominantly - but which will as easily integrate willing Saudis and Jews in order to achieve societal dominance - or anyone who servesd their ends or collaborates with their needs and who can be a player on the global hegemony scene..


The great facade in this election is that the "liberal" will somehow save us from the Bushes.

BUT what the Bushes and their corporo-fascist sponsors REALLY want is the mandate to drag us all, all Americans, into a neofascist state with the SUPPORT of the American people. For that to work completely, Kerry must lose. That IMHO is the Skull plan. (Kerry in power will hold back the tide of their global dominance briefly and ultimately may allow it to be breached by a knowledgeable electorate - but IMHO it will continue to grow and spread like cancer under Kerry if he wins- only at a slower rate)

The parallels to Nazi Germany in the 1930's can NEVER be overstated.

They - the Bush machine - cannot CLAIM that mandate without winning in November.

That is not to say that Kerry as a human being does not want to WIN the big first Tuesday in November Skull vs. Skull "debate" or "game" which is not unlike the Yale-Harvard Regatta. He is dying to do so probably.

But he is the WORST candidate that the democrats could possibly run.

He is leaps and bounds less of a humanist and more of a corporate whore than Gore.

He claims to be a war hero and yet he claims to have thrown his medals away and accused his fellow vets of crimes against humanity.

His reputation as a nasty cheating Lothario (as evidenced by the latest smut in the National Enquirer) - largely known to be accurate - is emerging and will make him not only look skanky IMHO but cheap and repulsive.

His family's business deals in Vietnam and his being the wealthiest Senator will make him fodder for scandal sheets and right wing diatribes which will take hold in much of the American heartland's sheepish media guided psyche.

He is the PERFECT candidate for Rove et all to bash and bang. The IDEAL Skull vs. Skull candidate for the corporate fascists to tease into a crash and burn on November's election Night.

And then what. A REPLAY of 2000. A Night of misery and agony and fear for ALL of us.

A Horror of unimaginable proportions (and who can even begin to imagine the HORROR which our men and women and the poor people of Iraq and Afghanistan are suffering tonight and tomorrow and probably for the rest of their lives if the Bushes are able to stay in the game?). We will wake up one morning and Wolf Blitzer and Bill Scheider will be beaming that the AMERICAN people have spoken.

Kerry will NOT win because that is not the plan of the corporo-fascists. And they will do ANYTHING to win..

The plan was to divide the Democrats and weed out the upstarts and troublemakers (Dean and Kucinich and maybe Mosely Braun). Water the pack down and let the best straw man to beat down win.

AND THEN, just like in Nazi Germany in 1936: the National Will will be clear. Manifest Destiny will demonstrate that we, America, is the most superior power and we CHERISH this power of war and global crisis. It makes us all money. We delight in it, it will be apparent.

That will be the message to the world when Bush squeaks by the "warrior" liberal from Massachusetts. The womanizing rich guy new england liberal and northeastern elite.

Forget that Bush is one of them. Kerry is one too.

AND SO, my friends, in the deep pit of doom in November or December or January of 2004 or 2005, MARK MY WORDS.

Backing Kerry is now, has been and ever will be - a mistake.

I will vote for ABB in November. But I have as much optimism now that Kerry will win in November against Bush(he will NOT win anywhere in the South - even with Edwards on the ticket) as I do that Dean will win Wisconsin on Tuesday. I feel this in my gut. I despair for my children.

Kerry will be battered bloody in the media and in the heartland and every frightened middle class and elderly and military family will ultimately embrace Bush as the last best hope for security (just as the desperate Israelis voted, weakly but in a majority, for the hawk Sharon).

Osama will be found. Or bombed to shreds and DNA recovered which will be definitive evidence that Bush "succeeded".

There will be a September or October Surprise of WMD in the Syrian desert and a new plot or attack to remind us that ONLY Bush can really keep us secure.

And Kerry will sink like a millstone chucked from a precipice into the sea.

I pray that I am wrong.

But I had to write this in order to warn those who are NOT from the inside of this monster. It is like the little girl with two heads who died today. An imperfect and horrific reflection of the current environment that the imperiled Mother earth is suffering both politically and physically. And it is planned by the most devious of architects.

If this happens Democracy will be forever doomed and banished from the face of this blessed Earth.

Our noble experiment will have failed.

And the US shall pass beneath the waves and into the oblivion of history as the empire which destroyed humanity for all time.

I pray I am wrong.

But I do NOT believe humanity can survive the corporo-fascists greed and inhumanity and its profit goal of perpetual war for perpetual Mammon. It is degenerate and doomed. And so are we if my prediction is correct.

Shalom/Salaam and Peace Out, Y'all.

And tell your friends. Do NOT vote for Kerry in the primaries.

It may seal our fates.

[NNN0LHI]

1. Will you vote for Kerry? n/t

[NNN0LHI]

15. Guess you are really praying hard you are wrong, eh? Shit! n/t

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. President John F. Kerry!

Get used to it.

[Union Thug]

3. I'll vote ABB, but...

sadly, I share a similar fear of what's to come...

[eileen_d]

4. Never underestimate the power of negative thinking.

- Arthur Johnson

[Cascadian]

5. I will vote for Kerry but I will not be happy about it.

I get that feeling too. In order to beat Bush, you need to be articulate and more assertive towwards Bush. Unfortunately, I do not see Kerry as that man. I really don't. I still think Dean is the right man for the job. Dean is perceived as angry because the media spins it all. He is perceived as a liberal because he takes on many of the Democrats who supported Bush in reagrds to tax cuts and the war. Many Democrats are making a big mistake in supporting John Kerry and I get the funny feeling it's going to blow up in their faces come November. I am already looking into moving out of the country when that happens.


John

[Union Thug]

11. What's wrong with being angry, anyway?

We should all be angry.. livid... and we shouldn't be afraid to let these RW screwballs know it. Geezus... with the warfare that has forced our working people over a barrel and our environment to waste, we should be ranting in the streets and reminding eachother of how this country got its start.

[Cascadian]

14. With what has been going on in the country the last four years....

if you are not angry, then you live in ignorance or you don't have a pulse.


John

[okieinpain]

39. funny that you mention it, me and my wife were thinking the same

thing. I'm going to vote for kerry, but I'm not feeling good about it. I just have this feeling that kerry is going to go back to being senator kerry, once he has the nom.

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[WilliamPitt]

7. Turn that frown upside down

:)

Nothing is preordained. That's why they play the game.

[FreeperSlayer]

8. Bush 65% Dean 35&

Sorry, that reflects Amerika.

[absyntheNsugar]

9. I have but one hope - and history buffs will know what I mean

Earl Warren.

[Southsideirish]

10. Noam Chomsky said he can see a scenario wherein Kerry's photo

with the Viet Cong flag behind him will be placed up against a photo of Bin Laden captured or dead and, I say, with a 911 shot in the background - you don't even need a caption but you know they will have a "Who would you trust to protect America?"
There are plenty of Viet vets who are still smarting over "Hanoi Jane" -I get email from conservative relatives all the time. Wait til the freepers locate the supposed shot of Kerry with "Jane" - Oy! Its all over folks.

[eileen_d]

17. Is Chomsky planning on implementing this scenario himself?

With friends like these...

[quaker bill]

23. He would hardly need to

The proposal is already much discussed in conservative circles.

[patricia92243]

19. Kerry supports don't believe Bush would EVER do anything mean to him.

[eileen_d]

20. That's certainly not true.

I think Kerry supporters (at least speaking for myself) just don't think Bush's attacks on Kerry will knock him out. Of course it's going to be a struggle running anybody against Bush.

[TheDonkey]

12. well now let me just....

unwrap my Reynolds foil sheets
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[delete_bush]

31. do you have a few extra sheets?

I'm all out of foil but I've got an extra pair of hip waders if you want to trade.

[Straight Shooter]

13. Oh, good grief! Isn't Mueller the one who constrained John O'Neil?

That's it. This stinks. I'm going to check this out a bit more. John O'Neil was fighting terrorism and getting a bead on al-Qaeda when the lousy "briefcase" incident occurred. Was Mueller in charge then, or someone else?

Poor John O'Neil. Killed in the WTC attack, trying to save someone else.

Very strange. Creepy.

Edit: Just checked something on the Net, "In an April 19, 2002 speech to the Commonwealth Club of California, Mueller stated, "There was never even anything saying, 'Something is planned in the United States,' (Mueller III 4-19-2002; Remarks prepared for delivery by Robert S. Mueller III, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation Commonwealth Club of California San Francisco, CA April 19, 2002
http://www.levey.info/CT%20article.htm

Yeah, that's the guy, all right, the one who shackled John O'Neil's investigation.

And more: "When a few prosecutors finally began targeting BCCI's operations in the late Eighties, President George Herbert Walker Bush boldly moved in with a federal probe directed by Justice Department investigator Robert Mueller. The U.S. Senate later found that the probe had been unaccountably "botched"--witnesses went missing, CIA records got "lost," all sorts of bad luck. Lower-ranking prosecutors told of heavy pressure from on high to "lay off." Most of the big BCCI players went unpunished or, like Mahfouz, got off with wrist-slap fines and sanctions. Mueller, of course, wound up as head of the FBI, appointed to the post in July 2001--by George W. Bush"
http://www.oilempire.us/investigation.html

Kerry's target of BCCI, botched by Mueller?

:wtf:

[seventhson]

35. FBI's Mueller was also responsible for burying the Tim McVeigh lead sheets

Yup -Kerry's schoolchum and Hockey Teammate at Preppy St. Paul's Episcopal School, Robert Mueller, buried the leads which MIGHT have led back from Tim McVeigh to the Islamic Jihad and Al Qaeda and John Doe number II and the meetings of the neoNazis and the fascist Islamists trained by the CIA to be terrorists in the Phillipines. THAT might have caused the prevention of 9-11 which the BFEE could NOT abide. Kerry's teammate was passed the puck on Oklahoma City just as he was on BCCI and is now on 9-11.

Remember?

Tim McVeigh's legal assassination had to be held up because Mueller had failed to disclose hundreds if not thousands of leads given to the FBI which might have led to OTHERS responsible for the bombing and killings in Oklahoma City.

Kerry's hockey teammate and BCCI coverup specialist Robert Mueller (any relation to the Nazis of that name?).

[Straight Shooter]

49. I didn't know that. I wonder what else we'll find as we connect the dots

We know what was to be gained from bombing the WTC. What was gained by bombing the F.P. Murray (sp?) Building? Or maybe it was someone in the building?

Sorry about all that collateral damage, folks ...

[lastknowngood]

16. You read my mind however you removed the profanity and

added some prose. I'm printing out this post now it is a great piece of literature which needs to be preserved for those who come after us.
Peace Love and Hope it's all we have.
I hope Gandhi was right and evil will fail.

[seventhson]

51. Thanks

Me too

[specimenfred1984]

18. How Will the Elite Survive and How'd They Survive Before?

If the SnB's rule the world, wouldn't the SnBs recognize that by destroying the masses, they'd have nothing left to feed on?

The world is going broke and becoming over-populated. A few imperialist land grabs like the current SnBs are involved in are leading the planet to destruction, not salvation for rich people.

Everyone can see it, not just the elitists. The world economies need something to run on other than killing off millions. Fascist slavery doesn't produce goods anywhere near as well as free societies and there are people that know this, whether their intentions are sociopathic or not.

I think Kerry will feed the elitists some of the world's resources but will also work to keep the rest of us common people alive and free because the world's more productive that way. The religious and other bigoted right-wingers would disagree and think subservience and slavery work better.

It doesn't. Even if democracy is an illusion, the illusion still works better. So, perhaps Kerry is just feeding an illusion but, it's one that will keep a lot more people alive.

[Hekate]

78. Feudalism worked quite well for centuries...

...if you were the owner of the moated castle, and not one of the serfs.

Hekate

"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war." ~Donald Rumsfeld

"But why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many,
what day it's going to happen, and how many this or what do you
suppose? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my
beautiful mind on something like that?" ~Barbara Bush

"I guess the 'nation's grandma' isn't the grandma of those her son sends into harm's way." ~Hekate

ARLINGTON WEST, SANTA BARBARA CALIF.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Default.htm
click on the large photo of AW to go here:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Arlington_west_121003.htm
Scroll down the page for all the photos...

[underpants]

21. How is the baby Rosemary?

Sorry I had to make some gest.

Could have been:How is it that Kucinich so perfectly fits in this plan.

Very interesting. I trust what you say about your upbringing but if I half knew you I'd have you triangulated, luckily you are probably one of the few here with the same degrees of Bacon.

I understand your point but does Dean fit in here or is his family not in that particular loop?

I don't think this whole thing doesn't exist and I would think that it does.

I'll reread it tomorrow morning sans the Dickel. BTW- do they put things in the Dickel?

[Old and In the Way]

55. I'm trying to confirm if Kerry is the godfather of GWB's illegitimate

lovechild with Bo Derek. If we can get Tenet under oath, I think we can prove this connection to S&B, Mueller, and expose Kerry's Botox addiction.

[Eloriel]

64. Dean's not S&B

and shows no signs of being aligned with any of these forces. He and Judith are non-materialistic, anti-imperialist, not particularly well-connected, etc. There haven't been any "dots" to connect in his background.

[Meldread]

22. I pretty much agree entirely.

Kerry is going to fall flat on his face. I also think Osama will be found before the November Elections -- there are already rumors that he will be caught "within the next few months".

[Octafish]

24. Go John Kerry!

If you want to beat Bush and the BFEE, you better back Kerry.

So what if he's Skull & Bones? That "spooky" place is filled with good and bad people. So what if more than a few go to work for Uncle Sam's wet works? There are good guys working inside the spy agencies, too. Seems to me, they look up to Kerry.

[Deathadder]

38. Sure

And we'll get guys like Rand Beers, which is pretty much getting Bush. Why does our candidate have to have all the same dirty deeds attached to him. From secret ties to bush here, and there, and everywhere. I thought we wanted change, instead it's more of the same. What happened to The People, and The Constitution. All we're getting is a "lesser evil" I wanted to like John Kerry, but "evil" sources like this site, and yahoo search engines, and the endless trail of the truth right in front of me, ruined my hope of Kerry. It's not what I wanted, it's what I got.

[Octafish]

61. If you think there's no difference between Bush and Kerry...

.... you probably thought there's no difference between Bush and Gore. Either way, you couldn't be more wrong.

Beers is one of several counter-terrorism experts who quit over Bush maladministration "policies." Sure, Beers is far from perfect, but the guy is a treasure trove of information on the true picture of what's going on in the world. It's better he's on Kerry's side.

Regarding Kerry: He could be the best President in a long time. Perhaps, with his background and character, he could be one of the greatest ever.

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU! Whatever happened to Balders?

[Deathadder]

76. No...

I thought the world of Gore, was one of the few Dem's that defended him, when our party did as the media told them, and shot him down in 2000. And Beers didn't quit the Bush Admin. to save his soul on the stairway to heaven, he's just climbing the tower of power, promised by Kerry, that Beers will be his National Security Adviser, or his Sec. Of State. If Kerry wins, I will throw my weight behind him, I have to, but please, stop acting like Kerry is a saint, you're too smart for that, we all know the truth. I know politics, you know politics...this ain't no heroes parade over here.

[Octafish]

90. Kerry, as far as I know, has not offered Beers anything.

From what Beers' resume shows, he's not qualified to be Secretary of State. Watching over the wet works is another matter; having a back-stabber watching over the back-stabbers sounds Machiavellian, if not smart.

Regarding Kerry's Sainthood: No, I do not believe he is better than everybody or anybody. I am a Democrat and I really believe all people are created equal, including senators, governors, doctors, spies and presidents.

[Buba Gar]

25. My opinion: John F. Kerry will WIN in November.

[angee_is_mad]

26. Is this your opinion or your wish?

Just curious.

[DemNoir]

27. The GOP thanks you all for conceding so early

Sometimes I really hate this place.

[quaker bill]

28. Of course he will

I only wonder how bad and how many others he will take with him.

It is bad enough to give Bush another 4 years, but what if Bush* has 60 votes in the Senate and can break fillibusters?

With the number of members retiring they already have a solid shot at getting 55 votes.

[kaitykaity]

29. I'm not as pessimistic as all of this.

I think the Bush Machine is cracking up, and no amount of
$$$ or media whores whoring is going to save it.

So I think it is possible for Kerry to win in November. I personally
will have to hold my nose to vote for him, since I believe him to
be a Finger-In-The-Wind pink tutu with no spine or guts of his own.

I'm ABB, though, so I'm kinda stuck.

[seventhson]

30. "Nothing is easier than self-deceit." Demosthenes (died 322B.C.)

AUTHOR: Demosthenes (384?–322 B.C.)
QUOTATION: Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true.
ATTRIBUTION: DEMOSTHENES, Third Olynthiac, paragraph 19, Olynthiacs, Phillippics, Minor Public Speeches…, trans. J. H. Vince, p. 53 (1954).
SUBJECTS: Self-deception
BIOGRAPHY: Columbia Encyclopedia


Source :Bartleby's quotations

[eileen_d]

33. You're letting Demosthenes decide the election for you!

;)

[kerrygoddess]

32. You Are Wrong!

[NashVegas]

34. I Think You May Be Wrong on One Thing:

BUT what the Bushes and their corporo-fascist sponsors REALLY want is the mandate to drag us all, all Americans, into a neofascist state with the SUPPORT of the American people. For that to work completely, Kerry must lose. That IMHO is the Skull plan. (Kerry in power will hold back the tide of their global dominance briefly and ultimately may allow it to be breached by a knowledgeable electorate - but IMHO it will continue to grow and spread like cancer under Kerry if he wins- only at a slower rate)

You see, I think there's about a 75% chance Kerry will be enabled to win, if only because more than a few of the sheeple are beginning to wake up, and need to be put back to sleep.

If Bush stays in office, the eagle's going to scream much sooner than later. If we aren't all successfully turned into agressive, fearful people willing to compete against each other like good little Darwinians, there's a better chance for the plan to fail. The faster the misery comes, the less time the corporate media will have to fatten us up for the slaughter.

[shivaji]

36. I agree with almost everything in your excellent post.

[GreenArrow]

37. I think you're missing the obvious

Bush is bad Skull, Kerry is good Skull. Both are Skull. Kerry can implement the Skull plans just as well as W can.

Kerry will win in November, and much of what you fear will come to pass, only with Kerry as figurehead rather than Bush.

[incapsulated]

40. Ok, I'll bite

So how come these powerful, pervasive secret overlords allowed one of their own to be beaten by a hick Governor from Arkansas in 1992?

And then allowed him to be re-elected?

I mean, if the Monica thing didn't work, these surely aren't the kind of men who couldn't wrangle up a good assassination?

I mean, you're the one saying that they can stop a candidate dead if they like. So, why should Kerry be any different than Dean or any of the others? Why would they want to take out a fellow bonesman, even if he's "strayed"?

[candy331]

45. We'll look this thread up in November. n/t

[seventhson]

53. Simple:

BCCI/Saudi connections tie Bush and Clinton via the Stephens Group of Arkansas.

Sorry to tell you this but that is also who Clark was working for when he "decided" to run for President as a democrat.

Stephens was deep in the BCCI mess. They gave huge sums to Clinton, both Bushes AND Clark. There were quid pro quos. One of the quids was money for the quo of silence and cooperation IMHO.

The Bushes want to run the show directly. But when they can't (because people/voters can't stand them), they run it from behind the spook curtain.

[Old and In the Way]

57. So Kerry's Senate investigations on the BCCI scandel was all

just an elaborate ruse of the Bildenbergs and/or Rev. Moon? Say it isn't so!

:-(

[seventhson]

62. well NO

I believe it was IMHO an elaborate coverup disguised as an investigation. That is what I believe.

Moonies and Bilderberg participants were probably in on the BCCI profit sharing which was covered up by the Kerry reports.

But the Bushes were probably running the show. Even the Moonies andf Bilderbergers are second rate compared to the BFEE

[vision]

68. I have looked before but am having a hard time finding

Who has been convicted in BCCI?

The Bush's have their hand in it but has anybody been forced to serve any real time in conncetion to it?

[seventhson]

70. Only one I know who was busted was a democrat

Clark Clifford.

Thanks Kerry!

[vision]

73. Thank you for the response

This is one of the things I also wonder about when I read how Kerry has "exposed more corruption than any other politician".

I logically think, IMO, okay so how come if they are exposed they are still in power?

[Octafish]

96. Clifford, FYI, was instrumental in forming Secret Government.

Known as "The Counsel of the Presidnets," Clifford was called by Truman to help draft the National Security Act of 1947. Among other things, the law created the CIA and the NSC. These agencies form the backbone of what today we know as the national security state. I posit these institutions have been corrupted by members of the Bush Organized Crime Family, both Republican and Democrat alike.

[rhite5]

81. How come they let Clinton win? Well ......

Clinton was part of the plan. He started some of the movement away from the policies of FDR (welfare reform). Under him, much of the deregulation of the media progressed while no one noticed. He was able to sell the public on the virtues of NAFTA and GATT. He help fatten the bank account so there was more available for Bush to plunder to line the pockets of the elite.

Clinton also kept the people comfortable and helped put them to sleep.

Clinton made the Bush Administration possible.

The clearly unambiguous alternative to Bush:
Dennis Kucinich
http://www.kucinich.us

[Duder]

41. Given the long history of Bones in intelligence & C.I.A., a hypothetical:

Bones 1 versus Bones 2 = insurance/guarantee Bones can't lose, or Bones 2 is to provide cover and take the heat off like he's done before when the C.I.A. got caught global drug dealing? Could be either scenario.

[anarchy1999]

42. Well written and unfortunately - too right.

Wish is wasn't so.

Kerry does not have our vote.

Kucinich or else we'll give it to independent or David Cobb, Green.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

43. even if you are wrong, you're right

That's the worst part. Either way, we get Rand Beers and the Russell Trust aristocrats. Either way, we get more NAFTA. Either way, we get more war.

[Desertrose]

44. 7thson, I gotta agree with you...even tho I don't really want

to believe it...my gut is telling me there is much bad ju ju with bush and Kerry.

I know many don't believe what you say & what is out there about S&B....but, yeah, Kerry just gives me a sinking feeling. I'd like to trust & believe in him, but there's just too much "stuff" to the contrary and my internal alarm is ringing loud & clear.

I don't want to agree with you ....but I do....living hear near Apache land.... yeah, too much adds up and its not coincidental....

I do wish we could get Kucinich in...but then that sets off a lot of questions I will not speak let alone write.....

I appreciate your posting on this ...thanks as always...watch your back...DR

[Deathadder]

77. This is Good

Media Bad. Nice and simple, the way it should be. Imagine if posts like these were how CNN and Fox showed news/media programs around the clock. Yes, now, let me see into the crystal ball of a world where the news is like this site's forum board... Wolf is out, 7th-Son is in...yes, yes, I'm seeing it now. In this world both Bush and Kerry are not even considered in running for President...how could they?

[anarchy1999]

46. Connecting the Dots

This all started in a big way with Carter. Read a 3 part series in Penthouse in '83 about the TriLateral Commission and how Carter was made President, never have been the same since.

George Bush & John Kerry: Blood Brothers
by Victor Thorn

Following the 2000 presidential race, with memories of Votescam, hanging chads, the debacle in Florida and a possible “stolen” election still fresh in our minds, many people are wondering if this fall’s contest will likewise be marred by some form of vote tampering or electronic ballot rigging. But in all honesty, the New World Order power brokers aren’t even concerned with such notions this year.

Why? Because if John Kerry gets the Democratic nomination and runs against George Bush, both candidates will already by bought, sold, and controlled. It won’t matter to the ruling elite who ultimately wins because both of these men have already surrendered their souls to the evil cabal years ago.

snip to the end:

Well, here we are sixteen years later, and guess what. John Kerry, a Yale Skull & Bonesman (class of 1966) who kept his mouth shut about Yale Skull & Bonesman George Bush Sr. (class of 1948) is now running for the presidency against Yale Skull & Bonesman George W. Bush (class of 1968). Peculiar? You tell me.

So, when people start mentioning Votescam and rigged elections in the November election, all I can say is: why should the Controllers bother? Both of their candidates are already in the bag and will carry out the aims of those who are pulling their strings from behind the scenes. It’s good to have friends in all the right places, don’t you think?

http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/bloodbrothers.html

[seventhson]

47. Demosthenes: the Skull way of convincing (Sound Familiar?)

Demetrius, the Phalerian, tells us that he was informed by Demosthenes himself, now grown old, that the ways he made use of to remedy his natural bodily infirmities and defects were such as these; his inarticulate and stammering pronunciation he overcame and rendered more distinct by speaking with pebbles in his mouth; his voice he disciplined by declaiming and reciting speeches or verses when he was out of breath, while running or going up steep places; and that in his house he had a large looking-glass, before which he would stand and go through his exercises.

It is told that some one once came to request his assistance as a pleader, and related how he had been assaulted and beaten. "Certainly," said Demosthenes, "nothing of the kind can have happened to you." Upon which the other, raising his voice, exclaimed loudly, "What, Demosthenes, nothing has been done to me?" "Ah," replied Demosthenes, "now I hear the voice of one that has been injured and beaten."

Of so great consequence towards the gaining of belief did he esteem the tone and action of the speaker.

The action which he used himself was wonderfully pleasing to the common people, but by well-educated people, as, for example, by Demetrius, the Phalerian, it was looked upon as mean, humiliating, and unmanly. And Hermippus says of Aesion, that, being asked his opinion concerning the ancient orators, and those of his own time, he answered that it was admirable to see with what composure and in what high style they addressed themselves to the people; but that the orations of Demosthenes, when they are read, certainly appear to be superior in point of construction, and more effective.

His written speeches, beyond all question, are characterized by austere tone and by their severity. In his extempore retorts and rejoinders, he allowed himself the use of jest and mockery.

http://classics.mit.edu/Plutarch/demosthe.html

Bush or Kerry? You decide.

This is the Way of the Skull

[Samantha]

48. Very interesting thread you have started

If you can hold your nose and vote for Kerry in 2004, you are a better man than I. I wouldn't vote for Kerry under any circumstances. And I think the underlying themes in the Bush* family (which we are not supposed to discuss here) have been evident for some time.

On another thread this evening, I posted words to the effect the Democratic party died today. It was an understatement.

I too hope you are wrong, but I do not feel at all sure you will be.

[seventhson]

54. We must unseat Bush

But it will not be easy to vote for Kerry. I still may not.

Link to your thread Samantha?

[stickdog]

50. Some of the elites will want Bush & some will want Kerry.

It's like a game of good cop/bad cop.

Two things you are correct about, though. The same swing voters who are giving Kerry the benefit of the doubt based on his "impressive" biography, will be casting their votes for Bush once the RW media fills out the years between Kerry's return from Vietnam and today for them.

Also you are right that Rove wants Kerry first an foremost. It's quite obvious that nobody is Rove's camp is going to lift a finger against Kerry until Kerry has a 99.99% of winning the nomination.

So if Rove's more afraid of Kerry than he is of Dean -- why did he have his dogs attack Dean 24/7 and then lay off Kerry?

[Straight Shooter]

66. Reverse psychology, it always works like a charm.

Rove wants Kerry. Dean is too clean, he's a good family man. Never a whiff of moral scandal about him. Kerry? He's got peckeritis worse than Bill Clinton.

And why attack Kerry now, when the momentum is in full swing? Give him the rope, let him hang himself. Are we due for a double October surprise? Is there a Paula Jones in Kerry's life? And will Osama be "found"?

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of "Fooling Most of the People All of the Time"!

[seventhson]

71. Kerry's negatives will rise worse than Dean's once the well oiled

machine has kicked everyone else out of the race.

I told Dean's mom at a meetup/fundraiser that he needs to ride it out to the convention no matter how many or few delegates he has.

ANYthing can happen

[Terwilliger]

52. I have thouht that Kerrywould be the party nominee for some time

I NEVER thought it was a good idea.

[AVID]

56. you had me at first

the hyperbole ruined it


oh, yea . . .how much later:

Their "special" number is 322, the date significant as it relates to the silver tongued Greek orator Demosthenes (more on this later)

[seventhson]

59. That is the date that they celebrate

in their order to honor Demosthenes. His death year. 322 B.C.

Oration and Demosthenes' fame for it -- as well as the fact that it is a skill to be practiced and learned in order to sway the masses -- is celbrated by the Bonesmen and Demosthenes is their sort of patron "saint" - a master of convincing the masses with emotion, cheap oratorial tricks well rehearsed, and the willingness to die for the cause (the loyalty oath)

[janx]

85. That is one of the funniest, most ludicrous things I have

ever heard.

I'm not kidding!

[seventhson]

89. And Sadly ----It's True

It is part of their bonesian initiation rituals naked in the coffin reciting their sexual histories of masturbation, homosexulaity, and lurid fantasies --- under the threat of anal reaming according to one verifed account. (NYObserver)

This is their "special" number.

They honor the silver tongued orator who held marbles in his mouth to practice and used pure emotive techniques to rouse the masses.

Ludicrous?

Just imagine Kerry naked in his coffin talking about his sexual adventures as a twenty year old and memorizing the details of Demosthenes life. Bush too. Bush II too.

Why are we so f*cked?

I wonder...

[Old and In the Way]

60. This is just a tease to whet your appetite.

Seventhson will tie the whole thing together in his book that will be a NYT blockbuster just before the election. I'm reserving my copy early!

[Moderator]

58. locked

inflamatory

[seventhson]

63. Umm - Why?

Why is it inflammatory to say I fear Kerry will lose to Bush?

Why is it inflammatory to express my opinion that the Order that Bush and Kerry belong to is full of collaborators?

Why is it inflammatory to say I hope that I am wrong?

[rumguy]

65. your post is kook shit....

I need evidence of this crap before I'll even consider believing any of it...

[Tweed]

67. So who do you support among the candidates?

[seventhson]

69. Dean, Kucinich

Edwards

any of these are better than Kerry or Clark.

I was a Gore man first and foremost

[Deathadder]

79. Sometimes when I'm mad

And about to kill someone, I just think of the other universe, where Gore beat Bush in all ways, and he became president, and then all thoughts of fire and murder goes away. I really wish I could visit the Gore-World. Move there. Make a law where Kerry or Bush can't visit. I think I'm going crazy with Election04, I really do. I kid.

[Capn Sunshine]

72. at least YOU got the memo....

most here credit Kerrys phoenix rise from the ashes to some marvelous organization.

But we all know its just corporate voodoo powder and the zombie is still at their command.

[eileen_d]

75. The need to feel powerless, yet intellectually superior

is dominating this thread. I wonder where this comes from?

[mitchum]

74. cue the theremin

Kerry 2004

[Shanty Oilish]

80. A mite overheated...

You lost me right after you wrote, I know these people. Claiming secret insider knowledge is a sign of weakness.
Besides, I know these people too. I sat at the top of the stairs waiting for my folks to get rid of these boring codgers, so I'm not too worried they're taking over the world. They think that's what we're doing, too. Especially late into the night.
I quit losing sleep over that when I was 13. Climb out your window and down the apple tree, have some good times and get back in before...oh, 3:22 or so. :crazy:

There's no Santa, and there's no bogeyman.

[Lexingtonian]

82. No, he'll win.

I come from the same background as Kerry, more or less

As do some of the rest of us, perhaps to even greater extents. :D

The PRIMARY goal of the organization is to train these men to be the leaders of tomorrow.... Anglo-German predominantly - but which will as easily integrate willing Saudis and Jews in order to achieve societal dominance- or anyone who serves their ends or collaborates with their needs and who can be a player on the global hegemony scene.

You're stuck in Nixonian era views of reality, my friend.

He is leaps and bounds less of a humanist and more of a corporate whore than Gore.

Gore is forever stuck in 1986. And the evidence is to the contrary.

His reputation as a nasty cheating Lothario (as evidenced by the latest smut in the National Enquirer) - largely known to be accurate - is emerging and will make him not only look skanky IMHO but cheap and repulsive.

This is the only allegation you make that has any possibilities. And if there were truth to it, which is at this point evidently highly unlikely- consider the source(s) you have to go to, and those notably by their absence. And taking your word on it only testifies to its unlikelihood, given the low quality of your evidence so far. Even the historical moment- the Lewinsky affair is not even cold- testifies against its chances of being true.

Our noble experiment will have failed.

Well, in the long decades when S&B truly held sway, none of it should have survived if what you say is the truth.

You seem to be asking for rationales by which to abandon your paranoid, circa 1968, schematization of American and world Machtpolitik and wierd ideals of domination. I'm sure you'll sell a lot of books- you'll be hitting the market created by Chomsky with fresh fuel.

Personally, even if all you say were true, it isn't of real importance. The reason to put in a Democratic President at this moment in American history is not because some Great Power game is at stake and the distribution of the wealth of the country and the world can be altered in some marginal ways. What is compellingly important to act on at this level in the present is the internal change of American society, its running and progressive rejection of all that is medieval Europe (including this Gnostic/Roman Empire fantasizing, btw) poisoning it from within. This will be a non-white non-Eurocentric society within three generations, and in rejecting its colonial past's claims the possibility for American civilization becomes real. All this present empire-mongering/hankering/obsessionism is part of the disease, the hottest feverish state of the dying out of the 1619-1968 Eurocentric white society.

[seventhson]

84. This sentence betrays your argument

"Well, in the long decades when S&B truly held sway, none of it should have survived if what you say is the truth."

S&B holds sway TODAY more than it ever has.

Bush I. Bush II. and possibly Kerry (all covering MOST of the last 25 years) "holding sway".

Listening to CSpan this a.m. - Caller after caller attacking Kerry for being a traitor? Thery have just begun to rant. And a lot of the shit will stick. Just as fast as Dean sank in the polls Kerry can go down - once the Rove machine sets its sites fully on him (after he is coronated as the nominee)

I had always admired him until, in the 1980's - a constituent of his (I do not live in Mass but have many friends there) an older woman - wife of a NYTimes reporter - told me should could not stand Kerry due to his infidelities and disingenuousness. Bad personal reputation. Cheater. Liar.

I think that, like Kerry, a man who will lie to his wife in order to get laid or get a blowjob will CERTAINLY lie to his constituents and to his fellow citizens.

But, in terms of their effectiveness - I look at the whole picture. On balance - Clinton had some heart and soul. He was a poor boy who made good from a fractured home who had great ambition -- but who wanted to serve America and be remembered as a great compassionate president (and get laid too like his hero JFK).

Kerry seems entirely self-serving. His history suggests fabrication and duplicity and follows the modus operandi of the Skull empire of spooks and liars which is well documented in the histrory books.

But I guess if you put me in a pigeonhole with Chomsky I shouldn't complain too much.

If you think I am living in the past - you're right. But the past (present and future too, it seems) is borne in the Nazi Germany of 1932-36 with the rise of global corporate fascism for global corporate profits. It is in AngloGermancentric and it WILL utilize and is utilizing Eugenics to destroy those considered inferior.

But for you to state that Skull held sway in the past and does not now is simply untrue. It flies in the face of the facts on the ground.

We have a skull president and a skull vs. skull election in the works.

If that isn't "holding sway" then I have no idea what is.

AND, I do believe that the demise of US civilization is already well under way. Whether we are past the tipping point remians to be seen.

A Kerry candidacy and presidency may well tip our globe into chaos, suffering and oblivion and it well be an unrecoverable plummet.

A Bush presidency will bring it on quicker and more brutally - no doubt.

But Kerry will, in my opinion, massage the world into our descent into Gehenna and anguish.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

92. "As do some of the rest of us, perhaps to even greater extents"

Glad to see you people outing yourself. Who are you supporting in the primary?

[ithacan]

83. there is hope, and it is the hubris and arrogance that will

lead Bush/Rove etc. into overconfidence.

That does in authoritarian dictators time and time again. They start to believe their own propaganda.

I think that is, if not our only, our major hope. That these guys get so overconfident that they misread the public and don't find out until the election is over.

But in more general terms I think you're on the mark seventhson. The parallels to other cases of fascist takeovers are incredibly striking and frightening.

[seventhson]

86. What people still fail to connect in General...

Everywhere I go I talk about the Bush connection to the Nazis.

People time and time again have heard nothing about it.

When I first began to discuss it online, on these boards, (after reading John Loftus's work and interviewing him on Public Radio for a political program I produced for years) people were totally aghast.

It could not possibly be true.

We would have heard it.

Paranoid.

Delusional

Off your meds

C'Mon!!! Can't be.

When I discovered that three out of four of Prescott Bush's Yale partners in the financing of Hitler and the Nazi plan to conquer AMERICA (brought to you by the wonderful Harriman/Walker/Bush enterprise known as Brown Bros./Harriman) were Skull and Bones members, who were joined by three active Nazi Germans on their board of directors - I began to develop my research to find out just how deep these ties go.

Then I found Kerry was a member (a member for life as it seems with the Bushes)

An active member whose top advisor is a Bonesman.

Then I discovered (via the internet) that Kerry';s family were FOUNDERS of the Russell Trust Skull and Bones Society in the 1830's.

SO BOTH Kerry and Bush arte LEGACY candidates. Tapped as a matter of lineage to keep their family traditions alive.

People still scoff as they did when the Bush-Nazi revelations came out.

They say it is delusional.

Outdated, "Nixonian" thinking. Paranoid.

The charm of the ultra-rich and the neoliberal cons is that of a snake charmer. They hypnotyize with their unique movement and style of "debate".

They play to your emotions and your fears and they weave a rythmn of seduction and complacency and "comfort levels" of cognitive dissonance, psychic numbing, denial and ultimately neglect of the truth that we are but fodder for the corporofascist's greed .

They will use whatever means is necessary.

Imagine if there had been a Wellstone candidacy!!!

Just imagine! How different things might be!

But alas that dream was battered to death in the ruins of a campaign plane along with the families of a true American hero.

It is devastating to think that we have driven away our own true leaders and mourned the others while the centriat DLC and the old boy network of the bones and death chambers float our boats against the pirates with millstones disquised as buoys.

It amazes me that anyone at DU buys into the Ivy League fascist hype.

[NNN0LHI]

87. You say that you pray that you are wrong, but still won't vote for Kerry?

What in the fuck is the matter with this picture?

Don

[seventhson]

94. That is NOT what I said

I am still ABB and I have said that many times.

There is a part of me which might hold back or vote 3rd party. But that would depend on how my state's electoral votes are likely to go.

If I am not absolutely required to vote for Kerry to block Bush -- then I won't.

I want Kerry stopped in the primaries so I will not have to face that choice.

ANYTHING could happen in this election given the nature of the beast.

[bushwakker]

88. You're basically saying no Dem has a chance

[seventhson]

93. I believe Dean and Edwards is an ideal ticket

Dean is not vulnerable on the character issues the way Kerry is and Edwards will help him sweep the South. At this popint in all honesty I think an Edwards/Dean ticket is the strongest and would actually work pretty well in implementation.

Dean just would be a better administrator and better president. Maybe 2012.

[IUBloomingtonLIBERAL]

91. agree w/ orig. post

I guess John Kerry is the guy to take the fight to Bush, afterall he fought Bush on the War... oh wait, that was Dean. Okay, he fought Bush on the Patriot Act... oh wait, he supported the Patriot Act. Well at least he voted against the Medicare Bill... oops, he didn't even bother to vote that day. Well, at least he'll get the special interests out of Washington... that's as soon as he stops taking money from them.

[MoonRiver]

95. I thought this thread got locked!