Has anyone heard a rumor of over 300 troops being killed

[Contrary1]

at the US Falcon Base attack on October 10th?

I want to believe that it is not possible for the government to hide something like this...
but then I realize it is Bushco in charge and I don my tin hat.

I won't post any of the article, but if you care to read it, you can find it here:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/com/221735790.html

Also, if you Google "US Falcon Arsenal", several hits come up, some from ME sources. One
stated that 9 US transport planes had been used to ferry out the dead. That the damage was in excess of $1 billion.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Wouldn't the families notice?

Might be worth checking the obituaries and the local press for some of these names?

[papau]

2. not very credible based on past reports by them

A Trio of Disinformers: Islam Memo, Muhammad Abu Nasr, and Jihad Unspun
Obscure Web sites play major role in disinformation

A trio of obscure Web sites and individuals has combined to spread deliberate disinformation, particularly about U.S. actions in Iraq. The entities involved are Islam Memo (Islammemo.cc), Muhammad Abu Nasr, and Jihad Unspun (jihadunspun.net).

Most of the disinformation appears to originate with Islam Memo, which is a pro-al Qaeda, pro-Iraqi insurgency, Arabic-language Web site based in Saudi Arabia.

Muhammad Abu Nasr, co-editor of the Free Arab Voice Web site (freearabvoice.org), translates material from Islam Memo into English and posts it as "Iraqi Resistance Reports" on his Web site.

Jihad Unspun publishes selected articles by Muhammad Abu Nasr, giving them a broader audience.

This trio of Web sites and individuals has attempted to launch many disinformation stories. Most have fizzled out without any great impact, but some have spread more widely.

Islam Memo

Islam Memo, or Mafkarat al-Islam, is perhaps the most unreliable source of "news" about Iraq on the Internet. For example, on March 27, 2005, Islam Memo "news items" translated into English by Muhammad Abu Nasr claimed that more than 88 U.S. soldiers had been killed that day. In reality, none had been killed. Such disinformation fabrications are typical of Islam Memo. In the ten-day period from March 20 to March 29, 2005, they claimed that more than 334 U.S. troops had been killed. The real number was eight.

[wakeme2008]

6. While that may be true there is NOTHING from the MSM over that

base. I bet they are not allow near it.

[sandnsea]

3. Non Mortal Casualties

Casualties does not necessarily mean deaths. The way I read the original story, some casualties were taken to a hospital to be TREATED, and others didn't even need to go to the hospital. Casualties - NOT KILLED. This is really irresponsible, I hope nobody's family sees this list.

You can see the difference here:

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

[wakeme2008]

4. It is the silent from the MSM that makes me believe we lost a lot their.

and remember IMHO there were probably a lot of Blackwater types there that will never show up on any KIA list.

Add to that the high death count this month and yes I could believe they are reporting the dead a week or two vs one night.

[orpupilofnature57]

5. Where the fu-k is MSM Oct.10 ,when did he say change the course?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. smirkingchimp is on the trail of this story...

legitimacy has not been verified.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/1570

[The Magistrate]

8. It Is Wholly Bogus, Ma'am

It is being widely circulated by a variety of hate sites and conspiracy sites, after being flat concocted as an item of propaganda by one side of the conflict in Iraq.

[NMDemDist2]

11. thank you Kind Sir. I had noticed the thread on the Greatest was locked

and wondered. As usual, your clarification is appreciated.

:hi:

[hang a left]

29. Well Sir, I would like someone to report on the injured and dead

quite frankly since there has not been word one since the incident leads me to believe that the truth is not being told. Taking into account that the reports from the sources cited may be pure propagnada. The silence is quite deafening. Wouldn't you at least agree on that point...Sir?

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[Igel]

10. There have been a number of such stories.

300+ American troops surrounded and taken hostage. Several hundred killed in some battle.

Sometimes they're in sources that aren't untrustworthy, but reliably say that these are "claims" or "rumors". Sometimes they're not.

Mercifully, the credence given such stories without confirmation has fallen to low levels. Perhaps it will be asymptotic with zero; but it will probably never be zero.

[Ian David]

13. Okay... it REALLY looks like a hoax... "Brian Harring" and TBR

UPDATE: TBRNews and the Real "Brian Harring"
by jbalazs
Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 03:35:09 PM PDT

For those of you actually following the stories I've been posting concerning TBRNews.org, I have recieved further information on the real identity of Brian Harring (the so-called author of the de-bunked 9000 dead servicemen story). I have been in e-mail communication with him and he has authorized me to post this diary in the hopes that he can somehow clear his name.

Assuming everything he has told me is true and he isn't part of this whole scam, then this gentlemen needs some help, if only to get the truth out there.

I'll try to sum it all up below the fold (apologies if it gets too long!)

* jbalazs's diary :: ::
*

First, the background for those of you not familiar with this. I strongly suggest reading my first two diaries to get a real appreciation of what's going on.

The first diary is called WARNING: Beware the "Voice from the White House".

The second diary is called Follow up: TBRNews and Brian Harring.

So, to sum up to this point. TBRNews.org is a scam website. It promotes conspiracy theories and made-up stories as truth. Why? Well, I have my own theories on this. The theory I like best is a comment posted to this story from 2002 and can be found here:

More:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/12/18359/8939

[The Magistrate]

22. Thank You, Sir

This is much appreciated.

[elehhhhna]

31. Thank you, IanDB

[bemildred]

12. I have seen it a number of times now.

At this point I don't consider it credible, and it seems clear enough that some of the stories you refer to are wild exaggeration. The lack of coverage is annoying, but there are other explanations for that, esp. that one doesn't want to publish tactically useful information for ones enemies use. The only thing that seems clear now (IMHO) is that the place was hit and it made a big mess. There have been other similar incidents in the past, both as to blowing things up and the various media distortions on one side and silence on the other.

[Ian David]

14. Start a new thread about how this particular story is a hoax

Instead of a story about the cover-up, do a thread about the hoax.

I've already embarrassed myself by forwarding this, and had to retract it and apologize.

That pisses me off, because I'm only wrong 1/12 of the time.

[bemildred]

16. I intend to continue to ignore it.

I am wrong constantly, don't let it bother you if you are only wrong one month out of the year.

[Ian David]

20. Not one month of the year. I'm wrong all year long.

It's just been statistically proved as fact that I am wrong precisely 1/12 of the time.

It's an amazing phenomenon.

On the other hand, you can't possibly be wrong ALL the time...

or else your statement that you're always wrong would also be wrong.

So, if you say, "I'm always wrong..." then you can't possibly ALWAYS be wrong.

[bemildred]

24. Well, that is a problem.

I can see I had better not get in an argument with you carelessly.
:-)

And I must say it does require a lot of effort to maintain that sort of perfect inconsistency.

[tnlefty]

15. And once again the absence of REAL reporting and the adminstration's

zeal for secrecy has folks wondering what the hell is really going on, who, when, why, what time, etc.

I despise these GOP bastards.

[bemildred]

17. I don't want to defend the Bushites, but

I don't want information that can get people killed bandied around in the MSM either. So it's an awkward situation. I am happy to share your views of Bush and the national "security" state and it's hatred of transparency and accountability.

[tnlefty]

25. Info. that might get people killed is one thing. But it seems to me that

a lot of info. that gets put under the veil of 'national security' from Nixon forward is actually better termed, 'info. we don't want you citizens and voters to know about for years down the road' info.

Now we can't even see live footage from Iraq on the 6 o'clock news; no pictures nor footage of flag draped coffins coming into this country; no real congressional oversight into much of anything; the media playing lapdog in the runup to Iraq and still rather compliant...it doesn't surprise me very much that there is so much suspicion about what we see, hear and read these days.

And I say Nixon forward as that is what I remember most from what I lived through. :hi:

[bemildred]

28. I agree with all that.

I'm not happy about the state of reportage about FOB Falcon. But I do understand the military argument for happy talk about what happened at FOB Falcon, in the short term. I consider that they would have done better to be more forthcoming, despite that argument, and that suspicions of a coverup are understandable until they are. If you sneak around all the time, people start to think you are "sneaky".

[Ian David]

23. Freedom is on the march and there's no gay marriage in Iraq...

that's all Bush's base needs to hear.

[tnlefty]

26. I think that would be that no gays are married nor getting abortions,

that's how my friends and I jokingly refer to it anyway. There is No Gay Abortion! :evilgrin:

[The Magistrate]

19. Indeed, My Friend

Ammunition storage is generally laid out and constructed with possible disaster in mind, with bunkerings and blast berms, and at a good distance from assembled personnel. Sentries at the fence doubtless take to their heels at the first hint of incoming fire. It was a spectacular hit, and quite inconvenient, but there is nothing inherently un-believable about there being no fatal injuries.

[bemildred]

21. Not the best place to bed down, no. nt

[Contrary1]

18. I came across this video

shot by the troops from a distance. Given their demeanor, I don't think they seem
worried about too many being hurt. I think if it was common knowledge about so
many being at Falcon Base, these guys would be a whole lot more upset.

Interesting video, shows how massive the destruction was.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1410660598904719984&pr=goog-sl

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[davepc]

30. How many people were killed in the Cam Rahn Bay ammo dump attack in 71?

Or the Da Nang explosion in July 1969?

[sce56]

32. Checked my sources and

I did look up some of the names at Army Knowldege Online only one of ten names I tried came back but even then he was in a different unit than in the story..
The thing that got me was I saw a post yesterday then went back to it in less than five minutes and the post was gone not deleted but gone made me real suspicious I wish it would have been posted as deleted with a redirect to this thread. Would have helped a lot!






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