Are Dems being set up for the blame?

[feistydem]

I agree with several posters here that the Republicans seem to be tripping over themselves in an extraordinary way. One might think that they are so pitiful that they are 'stupid like foxes'.

No question the Repubs are devious and underhanded, but could they be thinking that if they lose this election in the House they can lay the problems of Iraq at the feet of the new Democratic leadership? With the corporate media as a Republican ally, together they could sell American voters another lie ...and 30-50% would believe it.

I sure hope the Democrats will win both the Senate and the House AND beginning pulling our troops out. There's nothing to be gained and only more lives to be lost by staying. Our only remaining hope to turn things around in Iraq may be if we get international support.

With Bush in the driver's seat, can Dems go around him to get other nations engaged? Or will Dems be set up to take the fall for not being able to solve the rats' nest that is Iraq?

I know...Foil hat on head. :tinfoilhat:

[villager]

1. we have to stop being afraid to win elections

n/t

[feistydem]

2. If you mean ME by 'WE' -trust me...I am not afraid. I'm thinking tactically

...played a lot of Stratego and Risk as a kid.

[villager]

12. I know (viz. strategy) and don't take it personally.

But maybe we need to cut through the Gordian knot of the other side's plans/machinations and just win and govern and scare the bejesus out of them by being kind and right and farsighted.

[feistydem]

15. well, I can't disagree with any of that

I don't want Dems to allow themselves to get painted into the blame corner and lose their nerve to do what's right.

[villager]

17. *very* well put, Feistydem!

:hi:

[MadMaddie]

3. Yup....once the investigations start America will turn it's back on

the Repugs...it's already started....

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. Dems can at least mitigate some of the damage

By appropriating more funding for troop armor and veterans benefits. They can put a stop to any more laws that erode our civil liberties. They can protect Social Security from whacky privatization schemes. They can roll back some of the tax cuts that are indebting us, or at least not pass any more.

[feistydem]

7. I just think they need to consider all of the angles the Repubs could be playing.

There is nothing they won't stoop to.

[BlueManDude]

5. i'm pretty down on the american public - but even i can't see that one

flying. this is their mess and no one expects the dems to clean it up even if they manage to take both houses.

[feistydem]

6. unfortunately, there have been lots of lies I didn't think they could sell

and did, and continue to peddle new ones every freakin' week.

[onenote]

8. so what would you suggest as an alternative: that we try to lose?

[beaconess]

9. Yeah! That'll show them!

[feistydem]

13. No. I'm suggesting that Dems consider strategy to keep the blame firmly

where in belongs when they win next month.

[MGD]

23. This is an argument about impeachment IMO.

If we impeach him during a war, it will come back to haunt us in the ways you are describing. We'll never hear the end of it and I believe significant numbers of moderate Americans will turn away from us in disgust as a result. Win the election and offer America more than a gut wrenching repeat of the Bill Clinton impeachment proceedings.

[Indiana_Dem]

10. My only hope is that we can help establish some sort of diplomatic

agreements for the affected people in Iraq before we leave. There is no easy way around this dilemma this administration has thrown us into....it's not going to be easy. I hope we can regain some international support.

[Generic Brad]

11. If they can blame Clinton for six years, we can do the same with Bush

It would only be fair.

[Festivito]

14. If it were 2nd Gore term. CONs would blame Dems for slow economic rise.

...If we RepubliCONs were in charge, why, the national debt would be paid off in just another five years, not another eight years.

The market would have hit 20,000 months ago.

Oh, these Dems support people sending this smutty stuff through the mail, if we were in charge there would be none of this poisonous snuff in the mail -- ever.

Gore goes overboard bombing little campsites in Afghanistan and barely manages to kill Osama binladen, but just in order to bolster his story that that this little man halfway across the world was going to fly planes into the World Trade Center.

The poor man sees terrorists everywhere, and wants to spend millions looking for them.

Rush Limbaugh broadcasts his show from the top of the WTC feigning to search the sky for planes while laughing at Gore's insistence that there was a plan to fly planes into that building. It's terrifically funny.

.. It won't matter if Dems win, or lose, CONs will be lying stinking CONs.

[emdee]

16. I've been wondering the same thing.

Still want to win - but can see this as their way of winning '08!
Moving is looking better all of the time! But, where???
emdee

[AtomicKitten]

18. I've heard the theory that they want to lose

to get Nancy Pelosi in the House, and then in 2008 they can point to the Dems in Congress and insist there must be a Republican president for checks and balances, which if you think about that is absolutely hysterical.

I think the jig is up and they are imploding and know they are going down. I don't think even Diebold can help the magnitude of the tsunami that is about to happen. Races are opening up in the reddest of states which is why the DSCC is begging for money to tip the balance. This could be one ass-kicking year for the Democrats.

[feistydem]

19. you mean this kind of ass-kicking?

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[AtomicKitten]

20. that's the one !!

and this will be us ...

[Infinite Hope]

21. Sinister...

They may be looking to allow a terrorist attack after Dems revoke the Patriot Act so that in 2008 they can say "from 2001-2007 we had no terrorist attack, but then Dems took over Congress, revoked the Patriot Act, and now we've had another one"

[jwirr]

22. It would not be the first time that mid-term winners were blamed

for problems in the following general election (08). However, I think it is more than the war. Our economy is in terrible condition regardless of the stock market figures. Many of our domestic problems are going to come to a head in the next couple of years and we will be made to look as if we shared in the blame.

It cannot be helped though because we cannot just let them have free reign without oversight for the next 2 years. Hopefully, Dems will recognize the danger and act accordingly.

This battle for our nation is not going to be won by just one election. Nancy Polosi's plan is just a start to address the long emergency we will be facing in the 21st century.